Monthly News – June 2018

A huge thank you to all of you who helped us find bugs during the BETA. You sent us so much feedback we had to literally stop reading just so we could focus on processing and fixing what you pointed out. We’ve never received so many reports so fast before. Although we couldn’t possibly answer everyone or fix everything, it helped us fix a lot and improve the quality of Mint 19 significantly since its BETA release.

Many thanks also to our sponsors and to all the people who sent us donations. You help us so we can work on Linux Mint. You’ve been empowering us and supporting us since the start of this project. This is the result of your efforts as well. We hope you’ll enjoy this new release.

All three editions passed QA yesterday and are slowly syncing worldwide towards the download mirrors. We’ll officially announce the stable release of Linux Mint 19 at the end of the week.

“MBM2”, the MintBox Mini 2, is live. CompuLab is working hard to get it ready with the announcement of Linux Mint 19.

Worldwide shipping from Israel will be available in a few days at https://fit-iot.com/web/products/mbm2/ and Amazon.com will provide shipping to the USA and Europe in a few weeks.

There will be an upgrade path between Linux Mint 18.3 and Linux Mint 19. We’re expecting it to look and work a lot like the one we provided between Linux Mint 17.3 and Linux Mint 18. Announcements will be made when this becomes available. If you are running Linux Mint 17.x or 18.x and you are waiting to upgrade to Linux Mint 19, you can get ready before it is available:

  • Although this isn’t necessary, back up your data to keep it safe.
  • Set up a system snapshot with Timeshift, so you can go back in time and cancel the upgrade if anything goes wrong.
  • Upgrade to Linux Mint 18.3 (from any 17.x to 17.3, then from 17.3 to 18, then from any 18.x to 18.3). We recommend creating a Timeshift snapshot before each upgrade.
  • Once in Linux Mint 18.3, if you are still using MDM, switch to LightDM (“apt install lightdm lightdm-settings slick-greeter”, “apt remove mdm”, “dpkg-reconfigure lightdm”). Again, please rely on Timeshift as a way to go back in time before doing this.

Next on our list is LMDE 3 aka “Cindy”. We upgraded it with the latest Cinnamon and all the components which got into Linux Mint 19 already. We’re hoping to release it as BETA by the end of July. LMDE is an interesting project, because it has a small audience but one of the most passionate. It’s also a very important project for us because it challenges us to design our software with more than one development target in mind and because it shows us how far we can go without our best upstream component, Ubuntu. How Minty can we be without Ubuntu? How similar, alike, close to Mint can we make LMDE? How much effort, how many resources, how long would it take for us to make Mint again if Ubuntu was ever to disappear? LMDE answers this for us and this is the key aspect of the LMDE project. It’s never been a priority, it doesn’t need to succeed as a distribution, it’s a challenge which tells us more about ourselves, which we need to face and in which we need to do well, not for you, not for anyone, but for us.

We’ll also start accepting pull requests again, merge contributions and work on implementations for Linux Mint 19.1, for which the development cycle is about to start. Before we tackle big ideas and get ambitious for the next release, a few things were postponed and we can’t wait to go back to them and make them happen.

Many thanks everyone, here’s to a happy release 🙂

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109 comments

    1. Hey Pratyush,

      If you look up their download mirrors you can find the iso files have already synced and ready to download. I have downloaded it from their Canada mirror and already installed. It’s looking really good.
      Go for it.

    2. we need fix vpn connection bug since LinuxMint19 Beta was unable to connect VPN. We tried PPTP and OpenVpn as well. Please fix nasty bug for Beta. Over all we try LinuxMint19 after final release soon before July.
      Untill then Linux rules planet mother earth.

  1. Dear Linux Mint team,

    A big thank you for all your hard work, you create the Linux distro we all love. Mint is always rock solid and helps us get the most out of our computers. I am sure Mint 19 is going to be a fantastic release.

    Thanks again.

    1. According to the blog post above:

      “All three editions passed QA yesterday and are slowly syncing worldwide towards the download mirrors. We’ll officially announce the stable release of Linux Mint 19 at the end of the week.”

  2. I have disabled mirrors in my preferences. when Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon actually coming in India? How to upgrade from 18.3? I hope there is no annoying thing from Ubuntu 18.04 esp gnome etc. Can i use the command: sudo apt-get dist upgrade?

    Thanks

    1. From the blog post above:

      “There will be an upgrade path between Linux Mint 18.3 and Linux Mint 19… Announcements will be made when this becomes available.”

      So, wait for now. When the upgrade path is available, it will be announced.

  3. Awesome work! Quick question that I haven’t seen addressed yet. Is a clean install of LM19 beta + all updates the same as the final release?

  4. > [LMDE]’s a challenge which tells us more about ourselves, which we need to face and in which we need to do well, not for you, not for anyone, but for us.

    And in the meanwhile, we get a minty, debian-based and rock solid OS, and that’s not bad at all!
    😉

  5. So all the regressions I reported and weren’t fixed will not be fixed? What about not releasing until it’s ready? I’m very saddened because at least one regression is really detrimental to the usability for anyone using more than one keyboard layout (the fact that you can’t use the layout switching key combination as part of any other key combination, for example, if layout switching is the default Alt+Shift, you can’t use Alt+Tab+Shift to switch backwards through windows, and you can’t use Ctrl+Shift+Alt+Arows to move windows between worspaces).

    1. You are not the only one, but no distro can be expected to fix all bugs, especially if they are upstream issues which many are.

      I personally am going to wait a few weeks and then check all the feedback I provided on the beta. If some issues are still unresolved then I will report these as bugs or feature requests on GitHub (https://github.com/linuxmint).

      In the meantime, why don’t you try finding a workaround (change the layout switching key combination?).

    2. Changing my habits to accommodate for regressions is pretty far from what I expect from Mint… 🙁

    3. Elad, you’re expecting a free OS built on another free upstream OS to handle every users’s unique circumstances without change perfectly across major version changes? Sounds like you have a lot of appreciation for the man who work hard to maintain this OS and provide it to the public. Make sure to donate a decent amount to the project for continued improvements.

    4. LOL. You must be new here. Mint always releases regardless of bugs. That said: It’s usually pretty awesome even with the bugs.

    5. Jordan, something that affects ever user with more than one layout isn’t “unique circumstances”. It seems so only if qwerty/azerty is your only layout. You’ll be surprised to know that’s not the case for much of the world. As for the “expect nothing from a free OS” jazz, I expect the world from it. Furthermore, I and many other, donate monthly to Mint. I don’t regret it, but I really don’t see the rush. 18.3 is near perfect. Take the time and solve the problems.

      rhY, I’m with Mint since 17.1 and my reports were always taken into account.

    6. Elad – I experienced somewhat the same issue, but solved it by changing the layout switching key combination to something not used in any of the installed programs – “caps lock + alt” appears to work for many users as an alternate setting and this key combination can be set quite easily in the same menu where the layouts are added. Maybe the default key combination is not ideal, but it is easy to fix.

    7. Ben, this is a regression. It should be solved. Changing the key combination might be good for someone switching layouts once in a while, not twice in a sentence and working with the same key combination for 25 years.

      Furthermore, there’s a patch for this bug in ppa:nrbrtx/xorg-hotkeys
      I expect this to be solved by Mint and not by users hunting down obscure bugs.

  6. i will leave judgement on linux mint 19 until i test run it on my test computer, however from what i have seen on the beta version, i am not confident that it is ready to be released …… we will just have to wait and see

    1. Out of interest (and I’m sure that it would be far more useful to the developers), why do you think that?

  7. Thanks for Mint 19 Xfce! Could we please have LMDE 3 Xfce as well, if its not too much work? I think this would benefit the project, having complete DE parity between the two base systems.

  8. I’ve noticed a problem with the booting of 64 bit Cinnamon taking forever in 18.3 and it was only by using the 32 bit version this was averted. Now with Mint 19 this problem has become apparent on both 32 and 64 bit versions. The hardware I’m using is quite old (Dell Latitude D630). The system stalls on the initial boot then I see a long list of drm errors. It is just like the bad old days of XP, boot to GUI eventually. Has Mint 19 been tested on old hardware or is my experience unique?

    1. I can’t see anything obvious from the above links. On loading I see a lot of drm error messages and again on shutdown. On switch on, after the POST, there is a very long time of inactivity before Plymouth gets going then, after the Plymouth screen blanks the computer goes ‘dead’ again with occasional flashing from the hard disk and WiFi lights then, after an age the Log in screen appears. After the Log in screen there is another long wait for for the GUI. Even that is heralded by flashing desktop screen backgrounds before the full GUI is displayed.

      Once up and running the GUI work fine without problems. I’ve so far tried Cinnamon 64 and 32 bit and are now playing with Mate 64 and 32. All function the same, so it must be something low down causing the problem. On this Dell computer I did need to switch from 64 OS to 32 with LM18.3 as this too showed this problem on the 64 bit OS.

      On shutting down I again get the drm errors displayed but the delay isn’t so very long. All I can say is the initial start of Linux Mint (and, I assume, Ubuntu) are now reminiscent of Windows XP and Vista. Luckily it is okay once up and running.

      I’m now going to do a clean install of MATE 64, trashing all my partitions and starting from scratch, in case there in something lurking in the Swap or Home partitions gumming things up.

      Fingers crossed.

    2. Update:
      Completely virgin install and still behaving like XP or Vista. There is something gumming up the works deep down in Linux Mint (and I assume Ubuntu too). I assume newer hardware is okay but my ancient laptop which used to boot to GUI in <60 seconds now takes about ten minutes. I've also tried Manjaro xfce and that was bad as well but much faster than Mint. Not a Happy Camper anymore.

    3. I to have a Dell Lattitude D630. I installed a 128gb ssd and a 1 tb 7200 spinner as a second hdd in my DVD bay. I also maxed my memory @ 4gb. I have mint 18.3 xfce installed and will upgrade to mint 19 xfce in about 30 days. I use Cinnamon on my I-7 desktop and would not dream of putting on my old Dell. I would suggest that you put mint (any version) w/ xfce and you will come to love that old Dell. I did. Also I would suggest maxing your memory if you have not. This can be done for less than $15.00 U.S. I have had this machine set up like this for about 9 mos. I have had zero problems with my D600 set up like this. Good Luck.

  9. Hi Clem,

    Congrats to you and the team for the release.
    MDM will not be supported/usable anymore with LM19?

    KDB

    1. Speaking as a user, not someone in the Mint team, you may well manage to install mdm on Mint 19 if you are a fairly knowledgeable user and you don’t mind getting your hands dirty, but it won’t be integrated or supported (it’s not even in the repos). I loved mdm too but unless you have an over-arching requirement to use it, you would be best to go with the flow and start using the default lightdm.

    2. Hi KDB,

      It might work but it’s no longer supported. We’ll continue to accept PRs and maintain it upstream for other distributions but we no longer ship it in Linux Mint.

    3. @Pete: “Overarching”? With many/most of the LM user base being individual, standalone installations, what’s “arching” about a login manager? Other than user authentication, isn’t it about look-and-feel? I know it is, for me.

      @LinuxMint: I don’t quite understand what you meant by “We’ll continue to accept PRs and maintain it upstream for other distributions but we no longer ship it in Linux Mint.” If it’s being maintained “upstream”, who’s the “we”? and, if so, where’s it available? (and in what form: source tarball? deb package?

    4. Hi Jonathan,

      It’s available at https://github.com/linuxmint/mdm. It’s source code which can be compiled with dpkg-buildpackage (it includes the Debian packaging). If you install mint-dev-tools you can also use mint-build (mint-build -g mdm).

      We’re wearing different hats when it comes to development because we’re both “downstream” to developers as Mint distributors, and “upstream” developers as providers of software to distributions (including our own). When we get a bug report, say on Cinnamon, it doesn’t matter which distribution it’s in.. we’re responsible for the project as upstream developers. MDM is a little bit special because it’s not used by any major distribution, we no longer use it ourselves as a distribution either, but we’re still responsible for its maintenance upstream as developers. We’re not planning on working on it, but if somebody wants to contribute to it (via a PR: Pull Request, i.e. a code contribution, a patch..etc), or flags something simple we need to fix, or requires a new tag or version, we’ll be happy to oblige.

      Regarding display managers, be careful, they’re far from just being about “look and feel”. The “greeter” is the login screen you see when you log in. That’s mostly about look and feel. Underneath the greeter, there’s a whole lot of technology which is central to your operating system. On the session side, the slave acts as your session owner, it is the process which spawns your entire DE and is responsible for session handling (status, logout, shutdown etc..). On the boot side, the daemon doesn’t just spawns tty consoles, greeters and slaves, it interacts with the boot sequence, makes sure plymouth is done loading, sends signals to other services to alert them of session events, sets the state of your NVIDIA prime GPU etc etc…. there’s a huge amount of things which can go wrong around the display manager.

  10. Hi! Three weeks ago I finished the Chinese translation of Timeshift. But the translation is not updated yet, and its translation page on LaunchPad disappeared. Does it mean that I have to translate all those 500 items again?

    1. Hi,

      At the time of integrating Timeshift into Linux Mint it was only translated in very few languages. We gave Tony a hand and boosted the translations by adding the template in Launchpad. This was a successful effort and we got Timeshift translated in many languages very quickly.

      After this was done and translations were imported into Timeshift (on github) we talked to Tony and agreed to remove the template from Launchpad. Timeshift changed since, and having two sources for translations was confusing to newcomers. We disabled the template in Launchpad.

      You should still be able to download the POs from Launchpad though. Let us know if you can reach https://translations.launchpad.net/linuxmint/latest/+pots/timeshift/+export. If you can’t send us an email and we’ll make sure to send it to you.

      Upstream, you can provide translation updates to Tony directly via pull requests on https://github.com/teejee2008/timeshift/pulls.

    2. @Linux Mint: Regarding the Timeshift translation:

      This page does not exist, or you may not have permission to see it.
      If you have been to this page before, it is possible it has been removed.

    3. Dear ‘Linux Mint’, whoever you are today–

      This person put in all that work FOR YOU. Your cavalier attitude along with nary a “…thank you for all your hard work…”, as well as your excuses which amount to nothing more than important-sounding internal techno-babble and “arm-waving” (“we gave ‘Tony ‘ a hand…we talked to ‘Tony’ and AGREED TO REMOVE…we disabled the template in Launchpad…Upstream, you can provide translation updates to ‘Tony’…”. We are supposed to be impressed,by the fact that you talked to someone named ‘Tony’, for crying out loud?) are totally unacceptable, and verge on being reprehensible. Your ‘message’ to AlephAlpha is absolutely clear: “…You REALLY did all that hard work for us, and we ignored it and then trashed it? Well, do it again…”!
      Your reply to AlephAlpha was as much, if not more, for the rest of us as it was for him. It didn’t work.

      I’ve got some REAL news for you, Linux MINT: this entire attitude of disdain for your user-base has been rapidly and very aggressively taking over your organization for a long time. One only has to read the ‘snarky’ comments made by Mint personnel (including ‘moderators’) in the ‘forums’ and ‘blogs’ to appreciate this simple fact (“…don’t like the fact we changed to ‘systemd’? Use some other distro…”). Assuming you are paying these people nothing because they are volunteers, they are being paid far too much.

      You used to be one of the…no, make that, THE ‘class act’ of the Linux distributions. No longer. Not for a very long time, now.

    4. @RobertService. For info, Tony George is the developer of Timeshift. AlephAlpha, as I do, should understand completely the “technobabble” which was intended for him/her and hopefully those translations will prove useful. Frankly I don’t understand the point of your rant. Oh, and before you rant back at me, I’m just an ordinary humble Mint user.

    5. Not to toot his horn too terribly much, but Tony George is ALSO the creator/maintainer of UKUU (Ubuntu Kernel Upgrade Utility) and Conky Manager (GUI front-end for managing Conky files), among other projects. http://www.teejeetech.in/

    6. @Jonathan: Absolutely. We also mentioned him many times here on this blog when we talked about Timeshift and its integration into Linux Mint. Apologies if “Tony” didn’t ring any bells, it wasn’t meant to sound snob/vip’ish. It was simply assumed AlephAlpha knew who he was.

    7. @RobertService: Don’t mistake a personal reply with one meant for everyone – the context is important. The translators know which Tony was meant in “Linux Mint”‘s reply, so there’s no problem. You blew up a non-issue into something unreal. Go complain in the proper context if you hope to improve anything.

  11. Hi,

    i’ve been testing the LM19 since it’s initial beta release on bare metal (yes, my primary pc).

    I saw something in older posts that if you apply the updates, you are good and don’t have to reinstall it on final release.
    But what is it? “Manual steps for upgraders”
    It is on roadmap repo. “Fixed” file.
    Should i run that commands?

    Thanks! 🙂

    1. Forgive me if I’ve misunderstood your comment, but I suspect that the manual steps for upgraders relate to those upgrading in-situ from Mint 18.3 and, contrary to the description, may not actually need to be manually executed for those users in any case. If you freshly installed the Mint 19 beta then those won’t apply to you and you should be good to go. As for those upgrading from Mint 18.3, the exact steps that they will need to take for the upgrade should be published soon.

    2. Note that the blog posts just published for each of the full releases contain a list of steps to carry out for those who have been running the beta.

  12. My excitement level just went up a few notches. Thank you Mint Team for all the hard work.

  13. Hello!
    I just wanted to say thanks for this awesome release. I already downloaded “Tara” from one of the mirrors and it runs very smoothly on my recently bought PC. Everything seems to work correctly. This is my first time using Cinnamon, previously I always went for KDE, but I have to tell that I’m quite surprised (very positively) by this desktop environment.

  14. Hi, thanks for all the effort in the new release. I too am waiting with bated breath to install it. I’m not sure whether I’m using MDM or LightDM. I hadn’t even realised it was a desktop manager, until I read the comments here. My LM18 was (I think) a clean install, rather than upgrade from 17.x, and I’ve kept up with updates to 18.3.

    1. The following command should indicate which display manager you are using:

      cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager

  15. I’ve been running Mint 19 BETA since its release, and it has been fantastic so far. No real problems to be honest, but I’ve been keeping up with the flood of post-BETA updates, so I’ve no doubt that Mint 19 will be solid. I’m also running the Cinnamon edition on a cheapie low-end laptop that I use for travelling, and it’s smooth as butter.

  16. It would be nice if I could Install Linux mint. I had 18.3 Sylvia Cinnamon running on my machine until about a week ago, and trying to get it reinstalled and running has been more than frustrating. I am typing this on what should be a Linux Mint OS computer, now running Windows & Pro because no matter what I put the ISO on, My machine always gets caught up on Kernal error.

  17. Just installed mint cinnamon 19 from the iso dated 26/06/2018 and flatpak isn’t working.

    I receive this error message: Could not locate runtime ‘runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/1.6’ in any registered remotes

  18. I still think you guys should make LMDE based on Devuan. That would take the world by storm for sure.

    But I’m happy with 18.3 anyway, so…. Great job! <3

    1. I have to disagree strongly about the Devuan thing. One important factor is that it only has a fraction of the number of packages that Debian proper has, at least according to the Distrowatch info pages on both projects. Not to mention that Debian has a very long history & is a sure thing as an alternative base in case Ubuntu disappeared, while Devuan is a fraction the age of Mint, let alone Ubuntu & Debian. If some other project wanted to try to replicate Mint on Devuan that would be fine, but it’s far from an acceptable substitute for my purposes.

      That being said I’m eagerly awaiting Mint Debian Edition version 3, & like what I see of Mint 19 so far. Thanks to the Mint team for all their work.

      Package info pages:
      https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan&pkglist=true&version=testing#pkglist

      https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian&pkglist=true&version=testing#pkglist

  19. “A huge thank you to all of you who helped us find bugs during the BETA. You sent us so much feedback we had to literally stop reading just so we could focus on processing and fixing what you pointed out. We’ve never received so many reports so fast before. Although we couldn’t possibly answer everyone or fix everything, it helped us fix a lot and improve the quality of Mint 19 significantly since its BETA release.”

    Hi Clem (et al.),

    Happy to help. Even though final versions have been spun, will you continue to process all remaining beta bug reports (after June 12, 2018 at 2:50 pm)?

    Many thanks,
    🙂

    1. Hi Dave,

      We hope so. That feedback is still there for us to exploit and we’ll get more with the stable release announcements.

      Note that although all reports prior to June 12 @ 2:50pm were processed, we also fixed issues which were reported after this. Some issues were also kept in the roadmap, to be fixed in the future.

      We also received new issues on github and we’ve got some PRs and commits to publish within updates as well.

  20. > LMDE is an interesting project, because it has a small audience but one of the most passionate.

    Who you callin’ small? Take it back! :p

    Great news!

    1. Maybe @Linux Mint implies LMDE is mainly used by Leprechauns? (Sorry Clem, couldn’t resist!) 😀

    2. LMDE’s audience is only small because the project actively discourages most people from using it…

    3. Yeah, LMDE audience could be bigger – in my opinion Debian is better than Ubuntu as it is more pure. This release (mint 19) is great – definitely a lot of hard work and effort. I am waiting for LMDE 3 though.

    4. @mockturl: Hehe 🙂

      @wilo: There’s a gap between its role/purpose and the way it is perceived. It is our responsibility to describe it more accurately and not to promote it as something it isn’t. It makes little sense for us to actively promote and maintain two different distributions. LMDE is primarily for us as described in the post above. It’s not something LMDE fans want to hear, but it’s important to mention it and to be honest about it. For instance, we do not share the opinion that Debian is a better base than Ubuntu. We’re not trying to make something different that would be better, we’re trying to continue something that is strategically and technically important to us.

    5. If LMDE is just a hobby project that has a low priority, would I do better to switch to Debian?
      I’d like to know if LMDE3 is a dead end or not.

    6. @Jeremy Boden: At no point did Clem say that LMDE was a dead-end. What he did, in my opinion, was explain why Mint continues developing LMDE and, reading the subtext, that although continuing to be supported and developed, it won’t have quite the same priority as the main Mint distro versions. Seems fair enough to me.

    7. @Jeremy Boden that is a difficult question, and the answer is quite complex, and very personal.
      is Stability highly important to you?
      what Desktop do you want to use?
      are there “mint only” Features that you can’t do without?
      is installing Debian a difficult challenge for you?
      does the number of active developers impress you as better in some way?
      === my personal choices/opinions may be very different than yours.
      I advise checking out the myriad of distros out there, and install a few to get a real experience to make your own decisions.
      @Linux Mint thanks for your service and the further clarification.

    8. Having recently read that Mint’s Debian based offering (LMDE) is officially of quite low importance. I would like to ask if installing Debian would be better done after LMDE3 comes out (assuming that an upgrade path from LMDE2 exists).

      At least LMDE and Debian would both be based on Stretch and the horrific transition to SystemD would have been done.

      It’s with regret that I’m considering this, as I’ve been using LMDE since its release as LMDE1. By moving to Debian (even with the Cinnamon variety) my desktop will lose some of the graphical polish of Mint.

      I shall restrict Debian to its VM for the time being.

  21. Excellent Work Linux Mint Team, funny how Linux Mint has so many who can not wait to see the next version and I do not recall ever having the same feeling with Windows. I think many of us felt dread and fear of the BSOD.

    Thank you for all you hard work, you are all AWESOME!

  22. I have found a huge issue with Timeshift. I saved several different Timeshift snapshot’s and they have worked well in the past few weeks. If I had an issue I would go back and restore a snapshot. But after the recent update of Timeshift it doesn’t restore any item’s in the home directory let alone anything on the panel and etc. The whole restore process just looks like a fresh install of Linux Mint 19. I tried it over 20 times on different Snapshots. These are snapshot’s I have taken in the past and used in the past along with newly created snapshot’s which none of them work any longer.

    1. I found out the change in Timeshift. Prior versions I don’t remember having to choose to include root directory and home directory choices prior to creating a snapshot. This time I had to include those choices.

    2. Hi JeffF,

      Timeshift now excludes home directories by default. There’s many reasons for this… one is to get the ability to restore the OS safely without losing personal data changes (in your home dir). Another is technical, it’s to do with home directory encryption.

      This isn’t new though. It was like that in Mint 18.3 already.

  23. Hi Clem,

    I got LinuxMint19 installed by creating the stick with the Mint-Tool and it’s running so smooth. Thanks a lot for this superb new release.
    To come to the point with TimeShift:
    I didn’t need it until now, because everything runs so good. But I do snapshots from time to time. But I also save my data on an external Backup-drive with 6TB.

    And what is really good:
    this new greeting-Window in the beginning with these first steps. This is a real help. I did that steps.

    But what I found on the backgrounds is that the wallpaper called evablue_jacques_cartier.jpg is pretty unsharp and needs resharping. This causes eye-cancer. But this can easily be done via Pix or even XnViewMP. Because this is one of the backgrounds I like most.

    That’s just all I found until up to now referring to bugs.

    So let me just say thank you for this nice release of LinuxMint 19 Tara MATE.

    Greetings from Germany
    Andrea

    P.s. Go on creating these nice Distro-releases. LinuxMint forever!!

    1. I’m curious to know how a picture can be sharpened – I don’t think any picture can cause cancer though.

  24. I am very pleased with what all the Linux Mint Team has done with this version. It’s running well and super fast compared to previous versions. Although there is still a few issues I have seen that I wish would be looked at such as Timeshift that I mentioned above and the Menu needs a serious update. The menu is by far outdated and lacks a lot. Thank you

  25. Thanks for all the work, team. Looking forward to trying the release version of 19.

    By the way, I recently installed MATE 18.3 for a customer who had been having problems with that other well known operating system – she is 97 years old! Is that likely to be a world record for the age of a Mint user?

  26. Interesting to compare the four different user communities:
    (1) DEBIAN,
    (2) UBUNTU
    (3) MINT,
    (4) LMDE &
    (5) PCLOS.

    This newsletter compares the first four communities. Any intelligent person can then compare it to the last: PC Linux OS. PCLOS is based on RPM. It used to be a sole-hero, one-man ego venture, but has been saved by a very well devoted, loyal & sincere community. PCLOS however is based on the very bad package (imho), called “RPM”, which like Microsoft’s DOC file format, is usually incompatible with itself.

    PCLOS does have features missing & ignored by most other computer operating systems, including the four user-hostile operating systems in my study here.

    (1) Human Family orientation inbuilt: kids, education, “candy” (ears, eyes, etc), domestics, small business.
    (2) Friendly regular “family” newsletters, online, covering many computer-assisted issues.
    (3) GKREL desktop monitor, friendlier than any other Linux idiots have ever known about.
    (4) Best organized “games” categories, anywhere in any existing computer operating system imho.

    It would be nice however if some one here had the guts to incorporate other neglected innovations in the ignored Linux operating systems. Both Pinguy & Makulu have innovations ignored by so-called “intelligent” persons. Is there anyone else here who can recognize true & useful innovations? These innovations are often buggy, but worth de-bugging further, imho. Personally my rapidly collapsing medical health means that I will not be here for the further evolutions of any computer operating systems.

  27. Hi Cleam & Mint team all 🙂
    First of all.. congratulation, you did it again and made us all very happy!
    But now I would like to talk about LMDE..
    You should really stop talking about it like it is a second class version” of Mint with “a small audience”.
    It is not.
    Actualy it is the future of this project for a very simple reason.
    Ubuntu is NOT realiable and will die the day Mark will stop pumping money in that project.
    Instead Debian is realiabilty itself and will be there long after Ubuntu will be dead.
    I have a dream..
    You will drop the Ubuntu version, focus on the Debian one and drop the “no Debian at all” repository named Deb Multimedia.
    That day I will be the happiest guy in the planet 🙂

    Your rock.. keep going

  28. Is there any difference between a vanilla 19 install and a vanilla 18.3 install upgraded to 19? The last time I checked, the latter used much more disk space.

  29. Could you add an option to hide all window borders (or make them really thin) and scrollbars for a single window? I would sometimes keep something like a stream constantly on my screen, but have not take any extra space.

  30. Great version, no problem this far. Well done Linux Mint Team. Tip: with screen resolution 1366×768 pixels and 11 inch screen changed scale factor to 1.1 for best rendering.

  31. Hi guys, first thanks for the final release and as always congrats to the great work!

    I have a question were i need confirmation

    Xed started with sudo needs 26sec on my system to start!!! (I3-7100U with 8GB, Samsung SSD) without sudo it opens instantly, so just asking if others also see this issue, and it happens everytime when i open it with sudo!

    On same system with LM 18.3 it opens with sudo instantly!

  32. ….better to upgrade or reinstall from scratch? I have many configurations but I do not want the system to become unstable

    1. Reinstall is always a better choice. Fresh start without any issues handed over from the old to the new

  33. I don’t see a download link here yet so now I’m wondering if the version of Mint 19 on the torrent tracker is the right copy. Thanks for Mint and LMDE!

  34. I managed to download an ISO file from one of the download mirrors yesterday (sorry, couldn’t wait!) for the final version of Linux Mint 19, and I think I’ve found a bug:

    Every time I try to execute the command “apt download mint-meta-codecs”, it throws me the following error (a very long error):

    Executing ‘apt -r download libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libvo-amrwbenc0 libavcodec-extra57 chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra libmad0 libvo-aacenc0 adobe-flashplugin libmspack0 cabextract libass9 libavresample3 libbs2b0 libflite1 libmysofa0 libpostproc54 librubberband2 libnorm1 libpgm-5.2-0 libzmq5 libavfilter6 gstreamer1.0-libav liba52-0.7.4 libdvdread4 libmpeg2-4 libsidplay1v5 gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 libva-wayland2 gstreamer1.0-vaapi libaribb24-0 libbasicusageenvironment1 libcddb2 libde265-0 libdvbpsi10 libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libebml4v5 libfaad2 libfluidsynth1 libgroupsock8 libgssdp-1.0-3 libgupnp-1.0-4 libgupnp-igd-1.0-4 libkate1 libserd-0-0 libsord-0-0 libsratom-0-0 liblilv-0-0 liblivemedia62 liblua5.2-0 libmatroska6v5 libmicrodns0 libmjpegutils-2.1-0 libmms0 libmodplug1 libmpcdec6 libmpeg2encpp-2.1-0 libmplex2-2.1-0 libnfs11 libnice10 libofa0 libopenal-data libopenmpt-modplug1 libvulkan1 libplacebo4 libprotobuf-lite10 libqt5x11extras5 libresid-builder0c2a libsdl-image1.2 libsidplay2 libsndio6.1 libsoundtouch1 libspandsp2 libsrtp2-1 libssh2-1 libunshield0 libusageenvironment3 libvlccore9 libvlc5 libvlc-bin libwildmidi-config libwildmidi2 libzbar0 libdc1394-22 libdca0 libopenal1 gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad libavcodec-extra libhal1-flash unrar unshield vlc-bin vlc-data libupnp6 vlc-plugin-base vlc-plugin-qt vlc-plugin-video-output vlc vlc-l10n vlc-plugin-notify mint-meta-codecs’

    apt
    Usage: apt command [options]
    apt help command [options]

    Commands:
    add-repository – Add entries to apt sources.list
    autoclean – Erase old downloaded archive files
    autoremove – Remove automatically all unused packages
    build – Build binary or source packages from sources
    build-dep – Configure build-dependencies for source packages
    changelog – View a package’s changelog
    check – Verify that there are no broken dependencies
    clean – Erase downloaded archive files
    contains – List packages containing a file
    content – List files contained in a package
    deb – Install a .deb package
    depends – Show raw dependency information for a package
    dist-upgrade – Upgrade the system by removing/installing/upgrading packages
    download – Download the .deb file for a package
    edit-sources – Edit /etc/apt/sources.list with your preferred text editor
    dselect-upgrade – Follow dselect selections
    full-upgrade – Same as ‘dist-upgrade’
    held – List all held packages
    help – Show help for a command
    hold – Hold a package
    install – Install/upgrade packages
    list – List packages based on package names
    policy – Show policy settings
    purge – Remove packages and their configuration files
    recommends – List missing recommended packages for a particular package
    rdepends – Show reverse dependency information for a package
    reinstall – Download and (possibly) reinstall a currently installed package
    remove – Remove packages
    search – Search for a package by name and/or expression
    show – Display detailed information about a package
    showhold – Same as ‘held’
    source – Download source archives
    sources – Same as ‘edit-sources’
    unhold – Unhold a package
    update – Download lists of new/upgradable packages
    upgrade – Perform a safe upgrade
    version – Show the installed version of a package

    E: Failed to execute:
    ‘apt -r download libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libvo-amrwbenc0 libavcodec-extra57 chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra libmad0 libvo-aacenc0 adobe-flashplugin libmspack0 cabextract libass9 libavresample3 libbs2b0 libflite1 libmysofa0 libpostproc54 librubberband2 libnorm1 libpgm-5.2-0 libzmq5 libavfilter6 gstreamer1.0-libav liba52-0.7.4 libdvdread4 libmpeg2-4 libsidplay1v5 gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 libva-wayland2 gstreamer1.0-vaapi libaribb24-0 libbasicusageenvironment1 libcddb2 libde265-0 libdvbpsi10 libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libebml4v5 libfaad2 libfluidsynth1 libgroupsock8 libgssdp-1.0-3 libgupnp-1.0-4 libgupnp-igd-1.0-4 libkate1 libserd-0-0 libsord-0-0 libsratom-0-0 liblilv-0-0 liblivemedia62 liblua5.2-0 libmatroska6v5 libmicrodns0 libmjpegutils-2.1-0 libmms0 libmodplug1 libmpcdec6 libmpeg2encpp-2.1-0 libmplex2-2.1-0 libnfs11 libnice10 libofa0 libopenal-data libopenmpt-modplug1 libvulkan1 libplacebo4 libprotobuf-lite10 libqt5x11extras5 libresid-builder0c2a libsdl-image1.2 libsidplay2 libsndio6.1 libsoundtouch1 libspandsp2 libsrtp2-1 libssh2-1 libunshield0 libusageenvironment3 libvlccore9 libvlc5 libvlc-bin libwildmidi-config libwildmidi2 libzbar0 libdc1394-22 libdca0 libopenal1 gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad libavcodec-extra libhal1-flash unrar unshield vlc-bin vlc-data libupnp6 vlc-plugin-base vlc-plugin-qt vlc-plugin-video-output vlc vlc-l10n vlc-plugin-notify mint-meta-codecs’
    E: The process or trying to execute it exited with status/errno: 1

    The archive file with the packages is created, but it’s only a few bytes size. The same happens when I try to download any other packages using this method. Before doing it, I ran the command “apt-get update”. I tried again after running “apt-get upgrade”, but it remains the same.

    I really need this method of downloading packages as I have some PCs that don’t have Internet access. Many thanks in advance. Great work in Linux Mint 19.

  35. “LMDE answers this for us and this is the key aspect of the LMDE project. It’s never been a priority, it doesn’t need to succeed as a distribution, it’s a challenge which tells us more about ourselves, which we need to face and in which we need to do well, not for you, not for anyone, but for us.”

    Very sad to hear that the developers don’t think they need to be bothered with LMDE3 and even if they do its OK for it to crash and burn. Is this a way of saying that LMDE support is going to be withdrawn? If not, this was a very stupid thing to say.

  36. For anyone that uses Zsh and RVM, there’s a bug with the current version of zsh that comes with Mint 19 and RVM, it crashes when you try to autocomplete ( tab ) sudo commands.

    Its fixed on later versions of Zsh, I had to compile and replace mine to fix it.

  37. You are taking too long to launch LMDE 3. If you dedicate more efforts to its development, LMDE would have more users. I also do not understand why a version with XFCE is not included.
    In any case, I hope that ‘Cindy’ comes with the latest software versions.

    1. The MintBox Mini 2 is a very interesting computer and the price is decent. But I have literally zero hope to buy one seeing how Compulab advertises their PCs.

      After 2 decades of building PCs I really want to know what I get, and with so many SSD brands and classes out there I have very little hope the ones in MBM2 and MBM2 Pro are good enough for my taste. I’m sure they are great for most people, but I can’t even consider buying an MBM without any info on the SSDs, or at least the option to buy an MBM without the storage, so I can buy the one I want from somewhere else.

      And then the website is chaotic, they have broken links (“specifications” for both MBM2 and MBM2 Pro), and the design (UX-wise) is terrible. In all these years since I followed their evolution, it always felt like struggling with their websites to get the information I needed. That’s a serious turn-off for me, and not because it doesn’t look pretty, but because the same chaos can reside in all the departments, which doesn’t help me trust the company. I hope they will come up with a significantly better online presence, worthy of the quality products they seem to be producing.

  38. Updated Mint 18.3 to version 19 today.
    Guys, it’s terrible! Those who have installed 18.3 for nothing are not updated to Tara until 2021.
    After the update the PDF viewer does not start. It does not start Midori. Steam also does not start, but it does not matter. The network card is in the “device not controlled” state, although on version 18.3 (and all previous ones) everything was fine.
    And the most important thing. The GUI interface and keyboard commands have changed. Ctrl + Atl + Shift + Arrow now does not move the active window to the next / previous desktop. In this case, Ctrl + Atl + Arrow works the same as before and it’s strange. No delimiters on the taskbar between the windows, it’s bad. Ctrl + Shift + Arrow in any application also stopped working. In the main menu, there was an empty space in the right part below of the icons, although in 18.3 it was not. And most importantly – the wonderful guys who made version 17, then 18 with its perfect interface, followed the path of Microsoft. Compare the design of Visual Studio 2008 and VS2013 and you will see the GIANT WINDOW TITLE in Visual Studio 2013. What for? I have a 27″ monitor, but it’s not to waste its area on the CAPTION OF THE WINDOWS. Guys, it was not at 18.3 and it was perfect from the GUI design point of view. Why did you do it? Why such a GIANT CAPTIONS OF THE WINDOWS. Why the rest has stopped working? It’s facepalm. I’ve been with you for almost 7 years, but now you wound me right in the heart…
    I was try to fix this problems, but I have fail.

    1. Just another happy Mint user chiming in. 🙂
      I understand that English is probably not your native tongue.
      Before trying to respond to your comment, I wrote a list below what I thought you meant.

      1. You updated from Mint 18.3 to 19.
      2. You wanted to alarm users to not update 18.3 to 19 until 2021.
      3. The following applications do not work: default (I suppose) PDF viewer, Midori Browser, Steam.
      4. The network card is displaying a “device not controlled” error message, but it worked fine in 18.3.
      5. The shortcut (CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+Arrow) for moving the active window to the next workspace is not working.
      The shortcut (CTRL+ALT+Arrow) for switching workspaces works OK, but not within an application. (?)
      6. You don’t like that the there isn’t a separator between different windows in the taskbar
      7. You don’t like that there is an empty space on the bottom right of the start menu.
      8. You don’t like the big window title, which to you looked like Mint was mimicking Windows.
      9. You were using Mint for almost 7 years but these changes are making you step away from Mint.

      If my understanding is correct, then the following would be my opinion.

      1. You should also write down the flavor you are using; are you using Cinammon, Mate or Xfce?
      2. It would probably be a good idea to wait for some minor bugs to settle, but waiting until 2021 would be a long stretch.
      3. As for the PDF viewer it’s working in my Mate instance. It may be better if you can share what happens when you try to open the PDF file. (ie. Nothing happens, an error message comes up, it tries to open with an unrelated application)
      4. What network card are you using?
      5. Both shortcuts are working fine in my Mate instance. You may want to check the Keyboard Shortcut Settings to see if it was somehow cleared out.
      6. I think I can understand this one a little; the icons would be the indicator for separate windows but having a separator will make it easier to distinguish.
      But I also think that the taskbar would have a “cleaner” look without the separator.
      7. Actually, if you have more favorites it will occupy that empty space. It is a little confusing since the middle separator doesn’t go all the way down.
      8. I’m not sure if the window title became bigger or not; maybe it’s the theme setting? In my setting it’s nice and compact.
      Even if the title was set to be bigger in 19, I’m quite positive that the change is unrelated to Microsoft (and VS).
      9. If you made a backup, which Mint was kind enough to almost make this a necessity, I suggest you go back to 18.3 for now and come back after you sort the above. (Especially the network card)

      Best regards.

    2. It has always been recommended to do a fresh install instead of Upgrading to a new version of most Linux distro because there are many major changes that could conflict with software/hardware and etc. I am sorry if this sounds rude but you claim to have been a Linux user for 7 years. If you have been then you should already know the above to be true. You sound like a new Linux user that came here from Microsoft to bash the Linux environment at every cost with bad taste. Just my two cents. Just doesn’t add up comparing the two if you claim to be using Linux Mint for 7 years.

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