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Codenames
The codenames for the next releases of Linux Mint and LMDE were chosen:
- Linux Mint 22.2 will be called “Zara”
- LMDE 7 will be called “Gigi”
PewDiePie
We have a new user!
How many of us now? We don’t count. Dozens at least, dozens! 🙂
Welcome to Linux PewDiePie!
A hint of Blue in Mint-Y
We’re adding a little bit of blue in our theme.
This is common practice in UI design. It’s done on mobile, desktop and all over the web. Grey is rarely completely grey, it usually has a little bit more blue in it than red and green.
Take your color picker and check the grey on GitHub. It’s not #f8f8f8, it’s #f6f8fa. Firefox does that well, Google docs, Trello etc..
The reason this is done is to make grey slightly more metallic looking and appear more modern. Pure grey is neutral, it can be perceived as cold or warm based on its surroundings. By bumping the blue (or in the case of github both the green and the blue) we force it to look cold.
Here’s an interesting discussion on the topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/UXDesign/comments/1cd40iz/why_apples_systemwebsite_grey_shades_always_lean/
Another reason this makes the UI look more modern is because this is done a lot nowadays but it wasn’t done so much 10 years ago. Like with all new trends, sticking to past standards can make things feel outdated.
Interestingly libAdwaita also just did this.
If you update your Flatpak libAdwaita applications you’ll see they now use #222226 for dark and #ebebed for light.
Because there are many libAdwaita apps already in Flathub and since our own theme is already quite close to it in terms of colors, we’re adapting Mint-Y to use the same colors.
The difference in the light theme is subtle. It probably wouldn’t be noticed by someone who wasn’t told this had been done. The headers go from #e8e8e8 to #ebebed.
The difference is more visible in the dark theme, which also affects dark apps and the panel and cinnamon clutter elements in the default theme. This one is going from #2b2b2b to #222226 and #404040 to #2e2e33. It looks more modern but also much softer than before.
These changes bring the following improvements:
- The themes look more modern
- The dark theme and Cinnamon elements are softer and much nicer looking
- Flatpak libAdwaita applications fit in a little bit better since they use the same colors
Accent Colors
We made a small change to the XDG Desktop Portal XApp to support accent colors.
The XApp desktop portal simply scans the GTK theme for a named color called “accent_color”. If this color is present it provides it via the XDG Settings API.
Put simply this changes the accent color in Flatpak libAdwaita applications based on your chosen GTK theme.
This works in Cinnamon, MATE and Xfce. All that is needed is for the theme to define its “accent_color”.
Note to theme artists: This is a one-liner in your GTK CSS.
@define-color accent_color #9ab87c;
libAdwaita
A year ago we complained about libAdwaita, not because it was bad, but because it didn’t support us. Applications made with this library only properly integrated with GNOME and broke functionality in Cinnamon, MATE and Xfce.
With the release of Linux Mint 22, GNOME Apps which used libAdwaita were downgraded back to their GTK3 versions so that they could continue to function properly in the desktop environments we support. This was a temporary solution until these applications either got replaced, removed, forked, or until we found a way to continue to use them.
I know our audience isn’t ready to let theming die. It would be extremely unpopular right now if we were to remove theme selection. And since we provide it, it has to work. We cannot ship with a desktop that provides theme selection and a core set of applications which violate it.
As shown above, we’ve updated Mint-Y to use the same colors as libAdwaita. We also made the libAdwaita accent color follow the theme. This helps the integration but it’s only a small step towards properly integrating these applications. It doesn’t solve the issue with window controls and doesn’t help with other themes.
Whether we downgrade or fork applications, I know many of the GNOME developers are as sad as we are about this fragmentation and duplication of efforts. We were talking about extracting epub support in Xreader last week and making a new app. It would take between a week and a month to achieve the level of functionality we see in something like Foliate, but what’s the point long-term? Wouldn’t it be better for Foliate to work outside of GNOME and for us to use it?
Within our XApp discussions we talk about Qt, GTK3, application alternatives, forks and rewrites. What we looked at recently is slightly different. How do we make GNOME apps continue to work outside of GNOME?
Is there anything actually wrong with them once they follow the theme and provide proper window controls?
We gave it a try. We added libAdwaita stylesheets in Mint-X and Mint-Y and made a few changes in libAdwaita to not use its own stylesheet.
As you can see, the layout and style of libAdwaita widgets is different than in traditional GTK3 applications. It’s more touch friendly with sidepanes, split navigation headerbars rather than menubars and toolbars. It works really well for some of the apps though.
In the GIF above, gnome-calendar, gnome-characters and foliate are libAdwaita applications. They integrate really well.
If we apply these patches to libAdwaita we probably won’t need to continue to downgrade the GNOME applications.
Upstream and long-term, if we continue to use libAdwaita applications we probably need an XApp platform lib similar to libAdwaita, either in the form of a soft-forks (libs and/or apps which are often rebased on upstream) or in the form of an extension library (something that extends libAdwaita, similar to libGranite).
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Thanks for the great work Clement and all the team!
Is this bluer Mint-Y already released, or scheduled for Mint 22.2?
Thanks again!
François
It’s for 22.2 unless you want to build it from Github.
Thank you very much for the continuous improvements being made!
Sorry, if this is not the right place for this, but in 22.1, the loading of applets felt slower in Mint-Y themes when compared to the default Cinnamon theme or Mint-X. A few people have confirmed this behaviour in the comments here. If you could take a look, that would be much appreciated.
https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/issues/12644#issuecomment-2640899896
Secondly, are there plans to include a charging limit that helps in improving battery longevity. This was recently included in GNOME. I believe KDE Plasma and Cosmic have it too. Many thanks
Thanks, we’ll have a look.
Regarding battery thresholds it’s on our roadmap. Some laptops (Framework for instance) have such a limit built-in and configurable in the BIOS.
That’s perfect, thanks Clem!
When is the support end of LMDE 6?
As always a big salute to those who constantly improve LM!. Clem, would it be possible to add the option to block notifications temporarily (15, 30min, 1 hr); I think it would be something very useful.
Does Ubuntu plans to replace gnu core utils by rust implementations affect Linux Mint ?
There is much that is great about Linux Mint and about your continuing efforts. But this blogpost strikes some bad notes. For, first: ‘PewDiePie’? I gather that the name denotes a YouTuber who – rightly or wrongly (I do not know the details) – has been accused of various types of unpleasantness. At any rate, why welcome this one individual more than some other? Second: it seems strange to concentrate, in the blog post at least, not on bugs or new features, but upon . . a shade of blue (and not even one that can make the claims, I imagine, of so-called Klein Blue). Further: please learn how commas work.
Great news on the libadwaita front! For a number of months now, I was wondering if there could be some kind of fork of libadwaita made to allow theming. I’m so glad you guys are working it out! As it stands now, libadwaita apps look like crap next to the beautiful Mint themes (especially my favorite, Mint-X).
A few things though…
As mentioned in previous blog comments… @clem, could you please bring back the Linux Mint panel theme? It was the only dark panel theme that matched the style of Mint-X, and since I love Mint-X and don’t like white/light panels, I’m kind of stuck now and hating the look of Mint panels more and more.
Also, can the new dialogs introduced in the last update please accept theming from Mint-X? Right now, they look like dark libadwaita windows, which, as I said, look like crap next to my lovely Mint-X themed desktop.
Lastly, could you please fully implement a dark Mint-X theme option? It’s already partly implemented, but not fully.
I just love a tightly-themed system, especially if that theme is Mint-X, and I’ve been feeling less and less impressed with the look of things in recent months and years, due to things both within and our of your control. I’m encouraged by some of the progress, but discouraged in other areas.
The new dialogs can be themed. Mint-X just needs proper support.
@JosephM – Yes. That’s what I meant, but didn’t communicate it well, I guess. Can Mint-X (and Mint-Y for that matter) please be updated to theme the dialogs properly? As well as everything else I said? 🙂
@JosephM – There is an extra problem of those new dialogs follow the theme of “Desktop”, not “Applications”. Thus for the case of Mike F where he want a dark panel but light dialogs, there will be a huge conflict until there is an extra set of “Desktop” theme that provide such “mixed” effects.
@Billy Wong That’s not really a problem. If Mint-X hasn’t properly been updated to support the new dialogs, that’s something that needs to be done. I’m sure PR’s would be welcome to add that support. Plus Mike F doesn’t want light dialogs. He has been asking for a full dark version of Mint-X for quite some time 🙂
I agree I prefer the linux mint desktop panel theme and use Mint-X. Luckily I have more than one machine so could copy the theme from a machine still running an earlier mint version. I have not tried, but maybe if you booted off as live iso for an earlier mint version you may be able to extract the LM theme? Just a thought
On a different note, I would prefer light dialogue boxes as I prefer the light mode …. 🙂
@JosephM – To be clear, I don’t want dark or light dialogs, specifically. I want dialogs that match whatever theme I want to use, which currently for me is Mint-X, but conceptually that doesn’t matter. It could also be Mint-Y or Adapta, or anything else. And yes, I’d also like a Mint-X dark theme, but not just because I prefer dark themes. I’d like the option to switch back and forth between dark/light as needed. So again, it’s not at all a matter of wanting dark or light dialogs. It’s a matter of wanting uniform theming across the entire system, whatever that theme may be.
First, I congratulate you for the LMDE upgrades and improvements so far, I installed LMDE 6 on a test machine, on a so-called “server” for a legacy app on my work (which on top of LMDE I emulate it via a Windows VM using VMware Workstation) and both have been working pretty great unlike the Windows 10 that has it before, I hope that the entire stack can be updated on Debian 13 and LMDE 7, since I hope I can reinstall/upgrade my machines along with my own once it is available and that it can also help with more improvements
Interesting choice on the libAdwaita front, to be honest, if the plan is to keep using Gtk as a platform, it would be “easier” (quoting it since it has nothing of that, but it has the benefit of not changing things, at least from my personal POV) to create a kind of a “libXappAdwaita” library, it helps GNOME to keep things on their end, it helps you and any other that wants to develop something Gtk3-like with those benefits, and it also helps both parties (well, all of those that use Gtk as platform as well) to continue making peace without breaking apps or anything
PewDiePie video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVI_smLgTY0
elementary OS desktop is beautiful. Working with them and Granite could be very interesting.
https://www.google.com/search?&q=elementary+OS&udm=2
WHY GIGI BRO? WHY NOT METATRON?????!!
anyways i love you all. Thanks for good work. Thanks for new LMDE 7 “GIGI” .
I think LMDE code names have to end in “e”, or something that sounds like how “e” is pronounced in English, like Betsy, Cindy, Debbie, Elsie, Faye
Hi everyone in the Linux Mint community,
I appreciate the great work of the developers, the news in the article is very good!
Please also help KolourPaint to have a look that is more adapted to Mint’s themes, it’s one of the programs I use the most, it’s very good!!!
The more famous people use the system, the more visibility Linux Mint will have around the world, and more users will appear willing to use the system!
To infinity and beyond (^o^)//
Since we’re talking new themes, where are the new EMBLEMS? Those feel like they haven’t been modernized in years.
The one thing that saddens me the most when start using any new version of Linux Mint is its lack of generating a preview as the thumbnail for .doc/.docx, text files. If we can have it for pictures & movies, why not make it also for text, presentation and spreadsheets? Nonetheless, the BORING and ugly taskbar needs to go, even Plank would do for a much better option. And since Clem wants to make things look pretty on Mint, where oh where is the blur effect we’ve been asking for since 2018? I could go on but Clem, I think you got the picture. Forget about themes for one moment, there are other aspects of Mint that needs some work.
I totally agree with you, Rod, you read my mind. Aside from that, the app icons also need updating; they haven’t had a redesign for a while now. They’re starting to look dated. Instead of updating the cinnamon menu (which isn’t necessary; it’s perfect as is), it’s better to make these improvements.
Hi , folks.
The great virtue of linux mint are be rock solid , previsible , unbrokenble , conservative , stable in general.
I think if there will be some inconsistencies on themes but everything works well I don’t mind.
Linux mint is a fantastic gift for all of us.
Clem are doing their best effort.
Let’s be gratefull.
Thanks a lot Clem .
A thing I don’t like about those GTK4+libAdwaita application is, they put too much margin / padding into their UI and waste a lot of screen space. I wonder if we get a fork/patch/extension of libAdwaita, is it possible for it to adapt those applications to match better with the UI density expected in Mint-Y and especially for those who use Mint-X. Mint-X is further denser and match closer to days when screen space is a lot more precious.
The UI density isn’t just an aesthetic issue but also an accessibility issue.
In Terminal window, if you hide menu bar at the top, it’s then impossible to unhide it with the mouse. After a long time of researches on the Web, I finally found how to unhide it with Menu key. Could you add the possibility to unhide the Menu bar with the mouse? I did not try, but I thing there’s a similar problem with other applications.
You can already show the menu in the terminal using the mouse. Right-click on the terminal window and select “Show menubar”.
What other applications are you having this problem with?
In next version of Linux Mint, could someone do these improvements and solve these regressions?
https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/issues/9651
https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/issues/10632
https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/issues/11783
https://github.com/linuxmint/xreader/issues/661
https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/issues/11139
https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo/issues/3426
https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo-extensions/issues/511
https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo/issues/3055
https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo/issues/2805
Dear Linux Mint Team,
Regarding the topic of theming discussed in this blog post, I would like to report a display issue I’m encountering in LibreOffice Math.
Problem Description:
When using Mint’s dark themes (specifically, I observed this with Mint-Y-Aqua-Dark, but it may affect others), LibreOffice Math’s formula editor displays black characters on a dark background, making the text unreadable.
Conditions:
This problem occurs after upgrading LibreOffice using the “fresh” PPA (e.g., ppa:libreoffice/ppa). It is not observed with the version of LibreOffice that comes pre-installed with Linux Mint 22.1
Bug Report & Screenshot:
This issue is described in detail, including a screenshot, in the following report/link:
https://tinyurl.com/38m37rvw
screenshot: https://tinyurl.com/2zkjsxpb
Workarounds:
Previously, switching to the Adwaita theme seemed to resolve this, but Adwaita is not readily available in recent Mint versions like 22.1. Currently, a workaround exists within LibreOffice’s own theme settings, but it is not ideal.
Potential Cause:
This behavior suggests there might be an interaction issue between Mint’s dark theme settings and the LibreOffice version from the “fresh” PPA regarding color handling in the Math component.
Request:
I wanted to bring this issue to your attention, as it affects the usability of LibreOffice Math for users who prefer dark themes and use the latest LibreOffice version. I hope you can investigate this problem.
Thank you for your excellent work on Linux Mint.
This looks like a LibreOffice issue, not a Mint issue. I would recommend submitting a bug report to LibreOffice. (https://www.libreoffice.org/community/qa/)
I do know from personal experience that LibreOffice doesn’t play nice with dark themes. They’re working on it, but there are a lot of pain points still, such as yours.
I’m a bit curious, what’s the plan for code names once we reach the end of the alphabet, which is happening right now? 🙂
Hello (again). Is the first image – comprising four screenshots – a ‘before’ and ‘after’ affair? That is, does it show the old theme and new theme? If it does, which screenshot shows which theme?
why not tint the grays green instead? amazing for the brand image
I just upgraded from 21.3 to 22 to 22.1 and was wondering if there is any way to toggle off the screen dimming when a password prompt box pops up? I have my pc in the living room for gaming and use the Steam onscreen keyboard with a gamepad, but the onscreen keyboard is behind the dimming and it’s not easy on my old eyes.
For anyone interested, I found a working method to disable the screen dimming here: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=438896 …
But this forced modal dialog box will be enough to push me to find another distro if this is the direction Mint is heading. One of the reasons I chose Mint is because of the freedom it gave me and this modal dialog method is the distro dictating what I must do if I want to continue doing anything else. Please give serious consideration to making this modal dialog an optional toggle.
I agree, these new modal boxes, as well as the new menu announced for 22.2 should be optional, not mandatory. Forcing users to accept radical changes like this goes against everything that Linux Mint meant for me so far: possibility of choice, freedom to customize according to each one’s preferences.
I had to Timeshift back to 21.3 … the password box was blocking the #1 through #6 keys on the onscreen keyboard and as the password box can’t be dragged out of the way like I can in 21.3, I finally had to throw in the towel. So much for being able to configure your desktop your way. At least I have until June 2027 to find something that works for me, if this is the path Mint Cinnamon is taking.
Clem, this is a surprisingly great job for compatibility with libAdwaita applications, I’m very happy about it!
I hope that there will be compatibility with themes for the latest version of the Celluloid media player (which should be with the latest version and a full-fledged replacement for xplayer), Pinta (also switched to libAdwaita this year + there will be an alternative to Drawing), Calculator from GNOME, Foliate, Dialect translator, Clocks too from GNOME, Maps too from GNOME and all other software for GNOME with libAdwaita libraries.
We also need to solve the problems of the slowness of the interface of Linux Mint with Cinnamon itself. Over time, the distribution itself gets slower and slower, and it feels like it.
Also, so far you have NOT made the metadata editor (audio and video files) in the Nemo file manager, in the properties of the files themselves, which again greatly upsets me with their indifference of the Linux Mint developers, it feels like Clem and his developers are specifically bypassing this topic of my suggestions and diligently ignoring my request, this is NOT a good An act for developers!
You need to get over yourself.
No, Ioann is correct here. It gets slower over time also sometimes it freezes. I have it with Firefox and Steam, then you cant do anything. You need to wait. There is definitely a bug with Cinnamon.
Woa, buddy, you need to moderate that tone of yours, you’re not THAT important as to demanding to be heard by the LM developers. Let’s remember that these are people working on their spare time, and nobody is paying them any money to do so (except for donations which are voluntary). If you’re upset, that’s your problem. Learn to code and do it yourself or wait patiently for the things you want to be done like the rest of us.
We’re here only tu suggest, not to boss them around.
To emphasize the previous post, there’s an easy way to “evaluate” the team’s job about LMDE.
– download Bookworm (Debian 12) or Trixie (Debian 13 working but not stable version) and run it from an ISO Key.
– check : if it’s better, change your OS ; if you think you can do better than the team starting from there, feel free to do so.
– as my humble capacities force me to recognize I can’t, I’ll still go on with LMDE6, waiting for LMDE7 and sending all grateful thanks I have to the team.
LMDE Enjojer, Ioann may be correct about Cinnamon slowing over time and freezing, but I haven’t experienced that. What he needs to get over is his demanding attitude over things he feels are “necessary” in Mint. Ask, yes, demand, no. It’s not a good look…
Yesterday, a new version of Celluloid 0.29 was released. Clem, we need to make Celluloid again as the best, elegant and suitable media player by default, but with your support for the interface on libAdwaita.
Let’s make Celluloid great for Linux Mint!
A reminder that Mint is also available in XFCE and MATE desktops.
I agree that Cinnamon feels sluggish at times.
I have a sweet tooth for XFCE myself, and it’s quite fast.
I like Cinnamon the most and it is for me the most convenient, beautiful, elegant, reference and easy to use. And I would really like Clem and his developers to fix the very problem with the slowdown. The very slowing down of Cinnamon causes me discomfort and irritation, it is worth considering the Clem to fix this problem. Some critics scold Linux Mint with Cinnamon because of the slowness of the distribution.