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In the future, how about doing the following, as a matter of tidiness and clarity? Before you bring the archive hammer down on the beta repository (so to speak), close or at least label all open beta bug reports.
We reached a point where amongst the 203 bug reports, 14 were still open and none of them required action prior to the Stable release. Some of them were observations and would probably have been closed if given more time. Some of them might have had a different outcome, but they weren’t release blockers. At this point, we know we can close the BETA phase and enter QA. We might still want to chase some of the minor bugs/ideas (the one about the Xfce4 Xapp applet for instance is something I want to look at at a later stage), but the release itself can move forward.
Ideally we would stop accepting new issues and finish processing the few remaining ones, but:
– Github doesn’t give us the granularity to do that. We can only archive the entire repository, which stops new issues from being created, but also prevents conversations/handling on existing issues.
– The priority is the release, not to cut on papercuts indefinitely. Else we’d never be finished. The same way we don’t release until we’re ready, it’s important to do so when we are. That arbitrary banner call comes down a few times each release cycle. You see it here to terminate the BETA, it happens in the dev cycle as well, when a PR is postponed or a dev is told time’s up and his work doesn’t get in.
It can be frustrating but it’s important in my opinion.
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This new version works fine, as others. Thank you very much. I saw that default theme font is thinner, it’s more beautiful. But it’s not black but grey, with less contrast, isn’t it a problem for sand-blind people?
The gray fonts are harder to read, I have to make more effort and it’s harder for my eyes to read it.
I do prefer the 21.x font type.
Is there a way to reverse this change?
Yeah, I noticed when testing the beta in a VM that the font didn’t look nearly as easily readable as it does in 21.x. And personally, I don’t think it looks nearly as nice, either. The older, thicker font rendering looks smoother, more like actual print, instead of the thin and pixelly rendering that I see in LM 22. I’ll definitely need play with different fonts to see if I can keep my poor old eyes from hurting. Hopefully, this font issue can be fixed soon. It’s pretty awful the more I look at it.
I highly appreciate what the team does, each release is solid and reiable, lots of thanks! As for the font, grey font is not the best thing though. If Mint is meant to be a daily driver, it’s not helpful to follow strange trends, black or nearly black font is better both for eyes and productivity. So, like others I believe 21.x defaults were nicer. But on the hole, Mint 22 looks really promising.
Please check the release notes. You can install the previous fonts. https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_wilma.php
The font issue is very subjective. Some people love it, some hate it. It’s upstream from us. We were using the Ubuntu fonts, Ubuntu changed them. These discussions are happening within the Ubuntu community as well.
Here’s what I noticed personally:
– I really don’t like the recommendation to use ubuntu-fonts-classic. This fallback method is not properly designed/tested in my opinion and should not be recommended. If you want to go back to the previous fonts, grab the ubuntu-fonts package from 22.04 and hold updates on it. ubuntu-fonts-classic conflicts with ubuntu-fonts, and if you try to remove it without reinstalling ubuntu-fonts you can end up removing system packages such as plymouth-theme-spinner..etc.
– I’ve been working with these new fonts for a while now, since we started working on Mint 22. Initially, I thought it was a fontconfig bug or rendering change we’d need to revert (this happened before in Debian). I had it listed as a regression that needed to be fixed before the BETA. We talked about it within the team, and we realized the new fonts were thinner by design. I have to say, during these few months, not only did my perception of them change (obviously from being considered a regression to a design change), but I actually quite like them now. I think they make the desktop look more pro and more refined. It’s still very subjective of course. I don’t expect everyone to agree on this, but many of you saw these for the first time during this BETA. It’s hard to appreciate change when you found nothing wrong with how things were before and you’re confronted to a change you never asked for. It’s not just the result you might dislike, it’s the nature of the change itself. It took me at least a little while to enjoy these new fonts.
I read “package backports for LMDE 6” , my heart starts pounding. i am a simple man.
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I’m going to be honest, for the most part, this seems like a solid release. I’m just worried about you guys stretching yourselves too thin with now having to focus on a distro with three desktop environments, Cinnamon development, and now forking and maintaining GTK 3 versions of GNOME apps. it sounds like it’s going to be tough.
I do have one serious complaint, and it’s regarding the software center’s unverified flatpak “support”. Look, I get WHY you’re doing it, but I think this should be rethought. If you want to hide unverified flatpaks by default, that’s okay, I guess, even if it does remind me of Windows Vista’s UAC nagging. The problem is removing the score and reviews if users do enable unverified flatpak support. I think you guys are making the situation worse by doing this, because now users may not know if the flatpak is not usable or something else is wrong with it becuase you guys chose to remove it with no option to re enable it, even if unverified flatpak support is enabled.
Don’t get me wrong, I do have a lot of respect for you guys as a distro and for standing up to the GNOME devs who seem to be now in disarray, but I think you guys should rework the unverified flatpak review score being removed and re add it back.
Hi Cameron,
Unverified flatpaks should just NOT be a thing. They’re a huge problem waiting to happen. There are two reasons not to let them be reviewed:
– We don’t want to encourage these apps or participate in giving them momentum. That means no score and no reviews.
– When people review apps, they review apps, they don’t review trust. Anyone can make a wrapper around a popular website or package an upstream app. What really matters here in this scenario is trust. It doesn’t matter if hundreds of people say something is legit and works great, if you don’t know where it comes from. Tomorrow morning it can be used to inject malware into your OS via automated updates.
Regarding the idea of getting sprayed too thin, that’s always part of the call. Whenever we accept new responsibilities or decide to invest in something we look at the cost. Maintaining an application ourselves obviously involves new costs but it also reduces other costs.
Looking back at the existing XApps we’ve no regrets. They didn’t just empower us to not follow changes we didn’t want to ship with, they also saved us (and are still saving us) a lot of work. We also use them across all four editions (LMDE + the 3 Mint editions) and that also reduces the cost of maintaining these different editions.
We get help on these too. We get a lot of feedback from Fedora and Arch users for instance, including bug reports but also pull requests. We might co-maintain some new projects with Xfce devs or people from other projects. We’ll see.
In any case, we’re not following our vision “at all costs” here. We’re being very smart with what we can and cannot do, how much things cost, and where things lead us. Right now following libAdwaita and continuing to rely on GNOME would make our desktop less consistent, it would be an empowerment issue and it would probably cost us a lot in maintenance.
It’s really hard to rely on and follow something that isn’t designed for the usage you make of it. It’s a maintenance nightmare. We’ve seen that with Shell, MGSE and other GNOME components in the past. We’ve invested in many new projects since GNOME 3 and we never looked back.
Sometimes it worked for a while but something better popped up (MDM, Xplayer come to mind) and that’s OK too, we’re able to reassess and continue to do what’s best for us given new opportunities.
Congratulations! I tried it in a VM and it’s working great. I’m looking forward to the upgrade.
Thank you Clem and others, your work is astounding and I’m so glad you’ve made the new package base work despite changes from Ubuntu and GNOME.
Nice release! Just installed on bare metal and have no issues other than the Logs application missing from start menu>Administration on the Cinnamon edition. Anyone else seeing this or have I inadvertently deleted it somehow? Don’t want to report it as a bug if it’s something I did myself.
Disregard, I found that it wasn’t installed. I installed the gnome-logs system package via software manager and it seems to be the correct log utility…. Clem, can you confirm if Logs is excluded by design or perhaps something went awry during my install?
Hi Chris,
It was removed.
All 3 desktops provide the ability to choose a theme so applications we ship with need to support themes. LibAdwaita apps are therefore removed, or replaced, or backported, or forked.
Within the desktop, GNOME Logs was a nice application to have by default, but it’s not something we absolutely needed, so rather than backporting or forking this application, we just decided not to use it anymore.
It was excluded by design. So was gnome-fonts-viewer.
Congrats! Tested and working well so far. Any idea when LMDE will get the latest Cinnamon? Last time it was pretty quick if I recall.
Clem,
I found some pretty serious font handling problems that I think should be addressed as soon as possible.
First (and this part is just my own opinion, so take it as such), the font looks worse in 22 than it did in 21.x. It’s too thin to be readable and not as smooth.
Second, and more crucially, when I tried to change the font to see if I can get it back to being as readable as it is in 21.x for my old eyes, I discovered that changing the font within the same font family makes no difference in some places. For example, if I change the default font to a completely different font family (like from Ubuntu Regular to Arial), the font changes in an open Nemo file manager window. However, if I change it within a font family (like from Ubuntu Regular to Ubuntu Bold), it does not change in the Nemo window at all. So if I want to keep the Ubuntu font family, but make it thicker by using Ubuntu Medium or Bold, it will not work. This definitely needs to be changed, since it seems to default to the thinnest version of each font family that I tried, which will NOT be good for me and others with aging eyes. Please see if this can be fixed asap!
Mike, please see comment above by Harry W. Haines, III July 25, 2024 at 12:40 am
” Please check the release notes. You can install the previous fonts. https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_wilma.php ”
I read the article, I am going to try it now see if it works
I just tried the method described in the link to restore the old, easy-to-read fonts.
I tried it in a Oracle Virtual Box. So, here is what I did, in a terminal:
sudo apt install fonts-ubuntu-classic
sudo apt-mark hold fonts-ubuntu fonts-ubuntu-console
And then go to System settins – fonts and choose whatever I want.
It worked.
It works
Luis: Yes, when I posted this comment, I don’t think they had posted the Mint 22 pages on the website yet, or at least O hadn’t seen them. I may give that a try (although Clem mentions another method that seems like a better idea). Anything at this point is in a VM anyway, since I test everything there before committing my working system to it. So if something gets messed up, it’s an easy fix that doesn’t affect my main OS.
That said, the main point of my comment is the inability to fully change the font in certain places, such as Nemo. This goes beyond the Ubuntu font readability issue, and into a possible bug.
Wait.. the monospace font in nemo’s listview? If so that’s a feature and it’s configurable in Nemo itself.
I noticed that Flatseal is listed as an unverified flatpak in Mint 22 beta’s software manager even though flathub says it’s verified?:
https://flathub.org/apps/com.github.tchx84.Flatseal
it’s verified on my install
Make sure you upgrade mintinstall/mintcommon. This was an issue early in the BETA.
Kudos to the Linux Mint Team
Hello, Mint Team! The new list layout of emblems in the Thunar file manager (XFCE edition) is inconvenient, some emblems are too huge and not even visible, they don’t fit into the standard window to view them. Please return the old grid layout and size of the emblems. Thank you in advance. Best wishes and good luck!
Everythink is working fine, excepted my printer that doesn’t work anymore. It works with another computer in the network, with Linux Mint 21.3.
I can’t find where’s the problem.
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/1014
Does anybody else has a similar problem?
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/1015
CUPS team solved it. This new version of CUPS in Linux Mint Cinnamon doesn’t accept anymore IPPS with old TLS. One need to use IPP instead of IPPS, as Brother will not update old printers firmwares.
Dear Clem, thank you very much to you and the team for your extraordinary work, I love Linux Mint Cinnamon, however there is a bug in Nemo that appeared since Linux Mint 21.1 and also affected the beta of Linux Mint 22, I reported it on gibhub 3 weeks ago this is the link https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo/issues/3427
Terrific.
Grateful for the existence of Mint, LMDE and the incredible Cinnamon DE!