Monthly News – July 2020

I’d like to thank you all for your support. Donations are usually quite high after a release and Linux Mint 20 is no exception. We received 924 donations in a single month! That’s quite an impressive number and it makes us feel really proud, both as a project and a community.

Linux Mint 20 was well received but it introduced new challenges, both as a release and an upgrade. We’ll be focused on tackling these challenges for the next two years as well as implementing exciting refinements and new features in the upcoming point releases. Some of these are already listed on our Trello boards and roadmaps. I’d rather talk about them once they’re implemented and ready to be shipped though. Hopefully this time next month we’ll be able to give you a preview of some of them.

In last month’s feedback we noted some users would like Linux Mint to package Chromium. We also observed confusion and lack of empowerment when it comes to dealing with foreign packages during the upgrade. These are two areas we’re looking into at the moment.

LMDE 4 received many updates lately, including the new features from Linux Mint 20 and Cinnamon 4.6.

A study on the popularity of Linux Mint releases showed some interested results and comforted some of the perception we had of our user base. 

The newest release attracts many users and grows faster than any other but it does not yet represent the largest percentage. As we can see on the chart, more than half of Linux Mint users use Linux Mint 19.x. The older Mint 18.x and the brand new Mint 20 both represent about 20% of the user base.

Linux Mint 17.x despite reaching EOL still represents 6% and LMDE represents about 1%.

If we look at the top 15 releases we notice that the last point releases (i.e. the “.3” releases, marked with * on the chart) are the most popular in their respective series. This is a great thing because new features aside, the .3 point releases represent the most mature versions of each package base.

Of course, that data has to be taken with a pinch of salt. It is generated from traffic statistics and relies only on the default browser start page (which many users can and do change).

LMDE is small but that’s not particularly relevant. It doesn’t get point-releases, it’s not promoted or given the same exposure, and its purpose isn’t to compete with Linux Mint or to attract new users. It’s developed as a plan B in case we need to switch package base one day. It could be seen as a costly investment but it’s strategically important to our project. It tells us exactly how much we rely on Ubuntu, how well we can do without it, and how much work would be involved if we had to stop using it. It also helps us with our development, when tracking new issues in our tools and projects, even though we do get a lot of feedback downstream from Arch and Fedora, it’s nice to be able to quickly compare between the Ubuntu and Debian package bases and identify what is specific to Linux Mint and what isn’t. The real number of LMDE users is likely higher than 1% (the lack of point-releases, the lack of exposure to temporary users, the upgrade process and the fact that LMDE users are usually more experienced could lead to a higher ratio of users modifying their start page than in Linux Mint), but again that’s not very relevant. As long as LMDE doesn’t cost too much, is of high quality and we learn from it in terms of strategy and development, it is a successful project.

The popularity of older series and .3 point releases indicates a conservative part of the user base which might be more interested in the maturity of the distribution and the lack of bugs than the introduction of new features. That’s a good thing and it reflects the decisions we made in the past to stick to LTS, to develop incrementally and to focus on quality rather than range of products. Of course the audience we have is also the result of the decisions we make, so again we need to learn from this but not be blinded by it.

One thing appears clearly. I think we underestimated how many people used the .3 releases. We can do better and consider this a little bit more when it comes to backporting fixes and solutions as we develop new releases. Focusing on the same package (as opposed to 6 months, prior to Mint 17) for a whole 2 years was a great decision. Keeping an eye on the last one and continuing to improve it as we move forward with the new one might be something we need to do a little more.

Sponsorships:

Linux Mint is proudly sponsored by:

Gold Sponsors:
Linux VPS Hosting
Silver Sponsors:
Sucuri
ThinkPenguin: For Everything Freedom
Tibor Kaputa
Bronze Sponsors:
Vault Networks *
AYKsolutions Server & Cloud Hosting
hSo
BGASoft Inc
David Salvo

Feathercoin
HamoniKR
Michael Hathaway
Synapse Search
Uwe Schneider GmbH

Community Sponsors:

Donations in June:

A total of $20,710 were raised thanks to the generous contributions of 924 donors:

$539 (2nd donation), SunWare Solartechnik Produktions-GmbH & Co KG
$500, David W.
$500, Gwendolyn H.
$323 (2nd donation), Thomas G.
$300, Melanie H.
$250 (24th donation), Ralph Siegler aka “ziggy
$200, Kathryn H.
$200, Casey G.
$150, Jan S.
$150, Richard W.
$150, William S.
$125 (3rd donation), Jacek O.
$108 (10th donation), able heads
$108 (6th donation), Uwe P.
$108 (4th donation), Plamen Atanasov
$108 (3rd donation), Rhydwen V.
$108 (2nd donation), Maximilian P.
$108 (2nd donation), Johan V. D. K.
$108, Stefanie S.
$108, Bernd B.
$108, Holger K.
$108, Alain-michel G.
$100 (25th donation), Human Inhabitant
$100 (6th donation), Wong Acupuncture Center
$100 (4th donation), Быков А.
$100 (4th donation), Gary K. aka “GsKazarian”
$100 (4th donation), Teknosophy, LLC
$100 (4th donation), B. Kell
$100 (4th donation), John P.
$100 (4th donation), Trevor H.
$100 (4th donation), Jean-Michel R.
$100 (3rd donation), Francois D.
$100 (2nd donation), Lee C.
$100 (2nd donation), Carl M.
$100 (2nd donation), Charles N.
$100 (2nd donation), Mark F.
$100 (2nd donation), Rich. B.
$100 (2nd donation), David H.
$100, Matthew S.
$100, Mike aka “3rdtimer”
$100, Richard P B.
$100, Jerome C.
$100, Isaias O.
$100, Irene S.
$100, Nolberto O.
$100, Kenneth S.
$100, Shay
$80 (3rd donation), William D.
$75 (6th donation), Jacques P.
$75, Natnael Y.
$75, Wilson I.
$75, Steve C.
$70, Richard R.
$70, Martin B.
$65, Kamran A.
$65, Wallace O.
$59, Mark H.
$56, Geoff S.
$55, Thierry V.
$54 (8th donation), Paul S. E. aka “Paul”
$54 (3rd donation), Joseba S. I.
$54 (3rd donation), Ivo K.
$54 (3rd donation), Bernard H.
$54 (2nd donation), Thomas V.
$54 (2nd donation), Uwe B.
$54, Stefan Auberg
$54, G.J. Doornink
$54, Hans L.
$54, Stéphane M.
$54, Regina S.
$54, Pietro C.
$54, Andreas F.
$54, Stefano N.
$54, Edward A Lockhart
$54, Gilles C.
$54, Andrew S.
$54, matiyin aka “Orgone Media
$54, Boris I.
$54, Siegfried P.
$54, John L.
$50 (21st donation), Thomas T. aka “FullTimer1489”
$50 (14th donation), Hans J.
$50 (11th donation), Peter S. aka “Pierre”
$50 (10th donation), Alfred H. aka “Varmint Al
$50 (8th donation), James S.
$50 (8th donation), Bill R.
$50 (7th donation), stewy aka “stewy”
$50 (7th donation), An L.
$50 (6th donation), Frank M. aka “Bullet64
$50 (5th donation), Michael K.
$50 (5th donation), Ranald C.
$50 (4th donation), Meta N.
$50 (4th donation), Jake Phillips
$50 (4th donation), PulpKult
$50 (4th donation), Andrew Brockinton aka “Landrew
$50 (3rd donation), Alan L.
$50 (3rd donation), John L.
$50 (3rd donation), Prashanth V.
$50 (3rd donation), Vitali V.
$50 (2nd donation), Michal Bořek aka “mibo”
$50 (2nd donation), Mark L.
$50 (2nd donation), Jose D. G.
$50 (2nd donation), Andrew Gouw
$50 (2nd donation), Ralph G.
$50 (2nd donation), John T.
$50 (2nd donation), Theodore M.
$50 (2nd donation), Horacio M.
$50 (2nd donation), David R.
$50, Steven G.
$50, Taylor
$50, Steven G.
$50, Erik K.
$50, Greg C.
$50, Leonard M.
$50, Kevin aka “HamoniKR
$50, Gerard S.
$50, Glenn W.
$50, John A.
$50, Kurt T.
$50, Deepak K.
$50, Claude-alois R.
$50, Andres H.
$50, Emmanuel B.
$50, Beresford A. D.
$50, Robby L.
$50, Antoine M.
$50, Ardel K.
$50, Jigna R G.
$50, Kiaran S.
$50, Lawrence M.
$50, Jack B.
$50, Richard G.
$45 (2nd donation), Jan B. aka “Keksgesicht”
$45, Dhia M.
$43 (2nd donation), None S. N.
$43, Alejandro M.
$43, Jerome L.
$43, Janne J.
$42 (3rd donation), Felipe Amaral aka “famaral42
$42, Christian Schweitzer
$40, S C.
$40, Margaret W.
$40, David T R.
$40, Robert N.
$38, Richard C.
$37, Simao C.
$36 (2nd donation), Peter S.
$35 (4th donation), Ted S.
$33, Sean T.
$32 (123th donation), Olli K.
$32 (9th donation), Stephen M.
$32 (4th donation), David M. D.
$32 (2nd donation), Cecilio R. F. .
$32 (2nd donation), John H.
$32, Ivaylo I.
$32, Anthony G M.
$32, Felix A.
$32, Thierry B.
$32, James M.
$32, Pornsak S.
$32, Graham L.
$32, Fabien K.
$32, Edward G.
$30 (16th donation), Kevin S.
$30 (6th donation), S.S. Gold Coast aka “zoom zoom”
$30 (3rd donation), Tim T.
$30 (3rd donation), Noriaki M.
$30 (3rd donation), Andrew C.
$30, Joseph M.
$30, Doval H.
$30, Toivo K.
$30, Michael B.
$30, Millenium Inc.
$29, Holger D.
$28 (43th donation), Johann J.
$27 (11th donation), Christian W.
$27 (10th donation), Michael S.
$27 (5th donation), Mr. Bee
$27 (2nd donation), Silverio M. R. S.
$27 (2nd donation), Vidar Jon B.
$27, John B.
$27, Juliën D.
$27, Matthias J.
$27, Rudolf W.
$27, Olaf Bousche aka “Bushman”
$27, Nelson A.
$27, James M.
$27, Otto G.
$27, Awrjpm V.
$27, Sem Chumbo
$27, Matthijs S.
$27, Adrian B.
$27, Rossen I.
$25 (105th donation), Ronald W.
$25 (53th donation), Curt Vaughan aka “curtvaughan “
$25 (18th donation), Hemant Patel
$25 (11th donation), Hubertus B. aka “hubi
$25 (11th donation), George H.
$25 (8th donation), Myron J.
$25 (6th donation), Andrew Currie
$25 (6th donation), Ian L.
$25 (4th donation), David C.
$25 (4th donation), Karel D. B.
$25 (4th donation), Fred W.
$25 (4th donation), Roland H. aka “rol4dawgs
$25 (3rd donation), Brian M.
$25 (3rd donation), Timothy L.
$25 (2nd donation), R B. T.
$25 (2nd donation), Lelend F.
$25 (2nd donation), Владимир Я.
$25 (2nd donation), Andrew Z.
$25 (2nd donation), Gerardus J. W. C.
$25 (2nd donation), Jackie Gunn
$25 (2nd donation), Richard N.
$25 (2nd donation), Greg B.
$25, Wolfgang T.
$25, Bhaskar S
$25, Charles B.
$25, Dylan H.
$25, Martin C.
$25, Patrick M.
$25, Ted A.
$25, Melle S.
$25, James M.
$25, Douglas H.
$25, aka “GM46”
$25, Colin L.
$25, Richard C.
$25, Matthew N.
$25, Richard T.
$25, Michaela B.
$25, Mircea V.
$25, Joshua P.
$25, Jerzy H.
$25, Matt S.
$25, Tobias W.
$25, Kevin J.
$25, Adam Z.
$25, Falcon Computer Solutions
$25, Peter N.
$25, Alexey S.
$25, Vadzim I.
$25, Robert R.
$25, MA Layman
$23, Giancarlo B.
$22 (20th donation), Doriano G. M.
$22 (12th donation), Piotr L aka “xpil
$22 (6th donation), Gabriele Bandini aka “GiBi Gab
$22 (6th donation), Erwin v K. aka “Erwin Musicman”
$22 (4th donation), Ulrich H.
$22 (4th donation), Laurent G.
$22 (3rd donation), Robert M.
$22 (3rd donation), Jens B.
$22 (3rd donation), Peter E.
$22 (3rd donation), Pietro S. aka “Spak”
$22 (3rd donation), Filippo F.
$22 (3rd donation), David W.
$22 (2nd donation), Stefan Becker aka “Appeltaler”
$22 (2nd donation), Tom S.
$22 (2nd donation), Guersel Y.
$22 (2nd donation), Daniel Blok
$22 (2nd donation), Marco M. aka “Mastrotux
$22 (2nd donation), Kevin Watzal
$22 (2nd donation), Laurent D.
$22 (2nd donation), Michael B.
$22 (2nd donation), Robert Kasper
$22 (2nd donation), Krister R.
$22 (2nd donation), Sigurd P.
$22, Herman Franciscus B.
$22, Peter D.
$22, Vidar Jon B.
$22, Christian B.
$22, Andreas G.
$22, Angelo D.
$22, Harvey E.
$22, A R.
$22, Benoit D.
$22, Craig C.
$22, Juha-pekka M.
$22, Jesus Carlos B.
$22, Jean Christophe A.
$22, Robert Z.
$22, Antonio S.
$22, Akbey S.
$22, Henrik E.
$22, Thorsten S.
$22, vieilletempête aka “vieilletempête”
$22, Christoph K.
$22, Wolfgang R.
$22, Eric V.
$22, Jeff
$22, Peter S.
$22, Anastasios K.
$22, Guy S. aka “stegiman”
$22, David T.
$22, Andreas T.
$21 (2nd donation), Robert M.
$20 (37th donation), Jt Spratley
$20 (22nd donation), Bryan F.
$20 (19th donation), Mike W aka “bajan52”
$20 (17th donation), John D.
$20 (13th donation), François P.
$20 (11th donation), Peter J.
$20 (8th donation), Brandon W.
$20 (7th donation), Headphonesrepair.com
$20 (7th donation), Alistair G.
$20 (6th donation), Chester L.
$20 (6th donation), Dana S.
$20 (5th donation), Zbigniew D. aka “Ayel”
$20 (4th donation), Ike
$20 (4th donation), Verzhikovskiy A.
$20 (4th donation), DaveW
$20 (4th donation), William K.
$20 (4th donation), Stephen F.
$20 (4th donation), Brian S. G.
$20 (4th donation), Lance B.
$20 (4th donation), Bogdan M. U.
$20 (4th donation), Jeff B.
$20 (3rd donation), Anon
$20 (3rd donation), Linda P.
$20 (3rd donation), Laura H.
$20 (3rd donation), Mark F.
$20 (3rd donation), John M.
$20 (3rd donation), Matthew W. aka “Wakefield Team – Five Star Real Estate Leaders
$20 (3rd donation), Louis C.
$20 (3rd donation), James A.
$20 (3rd donation), John N
$20 (2nd donation), Richard F.
$20 (2nd donation), Thomas L.
$20 (2nd donation), E.Flamand
$20 (2nd donation), Gregory M.
$20 (2nd donation), Tomas Ciagadlak
$20 (2nd donation), Christian L.
$20 (2nd donation), Alex S.
$20 (2nd donation), John P.
$20 (2nd donation), Neville B.
$20 (2nd donation), Wesley I.
$20 (2nd donation), Fabio A.
$20, Johnny Hartsfield – NC
$20, Kevin Mount aka “Big Kev
$20, Eric W.
$20, Indraj G.
$20, Daniel C. aka “comcroa”
$20, Peter H.
$20, Christian M.
$20, Damon L.
$20, Jonathan P.
$20, Thomas M.
$20, Brown N.
$20, Todd H.
$20, Christopher V.
$20, Mark R.
$20, Gleviston C.
$20, Vincent A.
$20, Timothy H.
$20, Nathan H.
$20, Tejas S.
$20, Simon K.
$20, Yvonne L.
$20, Winfield B.
$20, Paul H.
$20, Gabriel M.
$20, Gonzalo Montes de Oca aka “DarthGNZ
$20, Trevor A.
$20, Patrick H.
$20, Dominik S.
$20, Peter L.
$20, Rodney S.
$20, Ray A.
$20, Cassie Levett
$20, Christopher R.
$20, Mark L.
$19 (44th donation), Johann J.
$18, Adam S.
$17, Andrew A.
$16 (40th donation), Andreas S.
$16 (6th donation), Bertrand S. J.
$16 (3rd donation), Keith W.
$16 (3rd donation), Frederic W. aka “Mr frederix”
$16 (3rd donation), Alain P.
$16 (3rd donation), Renaud B.
$16 (3rd donation), Alain MAILLARD aka “Arthur MAILLARD”
$16 (2nd donation), Wouter W.
$16, Régis P.
$16, Cyril G.
$16, Tobias H.
$16, Monika N.
$16, Sandor N.
$16, bir
$16, Matalik D.
$16, Sebastian M.
$16, Alan S.
$16, Jan V. aka “little_w”
$16, Olaf W.
$16, Matthias S.
$16, Juergen M B.
$16, Jose.angel G.
$16, Krister R.
$16, Raphael M.
$15 (22nd donation), ajgringo619
$15 (17th donation), Michael R.
$15 (9th donation), Klaus Heckenbach
$15 (7th donation), Edward A.
$15 (6th donation), Mark F.
$15 (4th donation), Rayko S.
$15 (3rd donation), Rayko S.
$15 (3rd donation), Dzmitry K.
$15 (3rd donation), John P.
$15 (2nd donation), Sem Chumbo
$15 (2nd donation), Wayne C.
$15 (2nd donation), Dean W.
$15 (2nd donation), Stuart D.
$15, Johannes F S.
$15, Stephen B.
$15, Georges G.
$15, James H.
$13 (7th donation), Jeff aka “Jambalak
$13 (2nd donation), Paulo Ribeiro
$12 (111th donation), Tony C. aka “S. LaRocca”
$12 (42th donation), Paul O.
$12 (9th donation), Lance A.
$12, Oliver E.
$11 (12th donation), Serhii B. aka “sinpavla
$11 (11th donation), Annette T.
$11 (10th donation), Christian K.
$11 (10th donation), Marc V. K.
$11 (8th donation), Miroslav aka “Xtrodinary
$11 (7th donation), Antonio aka “pengu73”
$11 (5th donation), Hans-Dieter S. aka “hadisch”
$11 (4th donation), Klaus G.
$11 (4th donation), Teobaldo D.
$11 (4th donation), Łukasz S.
$11 (4th donation), Florent V.
$11 (3rd donation), Daniel S.
$11 (3rd donation), Norbert V. aka “Vasti”
$11 (3rd donation), Elraul R. M.
$11 (3rd donation), Gianandrea M.
$11 (3rd donation), Rupert B.
$11 (2nd donation), Michael K.
$11 (2nd donation), Andreas T.
$11 (2nd donation), Andre P.
$11 (2nd donation), Tugaleres.com
$11 (2nd donation), Kepa M. S.
$11 (2nd donation), Athanasios S.
$11 (2nd donation), Hans-Peter P.
$11 (2nd donation), ian cynk
$11, Stephane H.
$11, Mr Peter O.
$11, Phillip F.
$11, Olivier F.
$11, Olivier R.
$11, John E.
$11, Mr John G.
$11, Umutcan S.
$11, Gareth T.
$11, Marcello L.
$11, Janos H.
$11, Jérôme M.
$11, Dr.hartmut G.
$11, Simone B.
$11, Flavio L.
$11, Ciprian Costel M.
$11, Denis M.
$11, Jaakko S.
$11, Erik S.
$11, David K.
$11, Dario B.
$11, Markus M.
$11, Richard D. aka “UtopicUnicorn
$11, Conor K.
$11, David Ecker
$11, Thorsten D.
$11, Tim Wassenburg
$11, Hans A.
$11, Oleksandr B.
$11, M V.
$11, Pascal N. aka “Clockwork”
$11, Florian B.
$11, Fabio P.
$11, John T.
$11, Peer V.
$11, Ales J.
$11, Kieron Andrew B.
$11, Karl S.
$11, David S.
$11, Stefan B.
$11, Steven V.
$10 (51th donation), Thomas C.
$10 (46th donation), Frank K.
$10 (30th donation), Rick R.
$10 (24th donation), Laura NL aka “lauranl
$10 (16th donation), Wilson G.
$10 (15th donation), M. Yoshida
$10 (12th donation), Francois-R L.
$10 (11th donation), Dohaeng L.
$10 (11th donation), Ian E.
$10 (11th donation), Mutsuhide.G aka “Joji.G”
$10 (10th donation), aka “AsciiWolf”
$10 (10th donation), Platypus Products
$10 (9th donation), Les E.
$10 (8th donation), Alan B.
$10 (8th donation), Peter H.
$10 (8th donation), Mike M. aka “GrouchyM”
$10 (8th donation), Richard C.
$10 (7th donation), Sami Mannila
$10 (7th donation), Sebastian K. aka “Bastek”
$10 (7th donation), Pawel M.
$10 (7th donation), Philip E.
$10 (7th donation), Gary N.
$10 (6th donation), Joao Kodama
$10 (5th donation), S. Falcão aka “S. Falcao”
$10 (4th donation), James H.
$10 (4th donation), Doug S.
$10 (4th donation), Heston L.
$10 (4th donation), Takuro Sasaki
$10 (4th donation), Justo G.
$10 (3rd donation), Robert W.
$10 (3rd donation), Jiayue Wang
$10 (3rd donation), James W.
$10 (3rd donation), Wong C. C.
$10 (3rd donation), HM Magnusson
$10 (3rd donation), Federico G.
$10 (3rd donation), Leroy B.
$10 (2nd donation), Kenneth D.
$10 (2nd donation), Fadjar T.
$10 (2nd donation), Johnny H.
$10 (2nd donation), Keith M.
$10 (2nd donation), Kosuke O.
$10, Timothy D.
$10, Ákos K.
$10, Mike A.
$10, Frantisek G. aka “ferky.g”
$10, Wt C.
$10, William F.
$10, Erico B.
$10, Bisbee Net
$10, Eduardo Mariano
$10, Paris K.
$10, Tom M.
$10, Jahurul Islam
$10, Thomas S.
$10, Kian Hwee L.
$10, Alvin D.
$10, Tobias D.
$10, Ivan A.
$10, Tariq A.
$10, Carlos O.
$10, Oren A.
$10, Bizmarck H.
$10, Franco C.
$10, Michael P.
$10, Adam M.
$10, Christopher G.
$10, Wei Z.
$10, Steven S.
$10, Daryl F.
$10, Gregory P.
$10, Janni C.
$10, Steven G.
$10, Rene R.
$10, Aaron S.
$10, Christopher B.
$10, Mary A.
$10, Bisbee Net
$10, Mark R.
$10, Juan M.
$10, John W.
$10, Antonio M.
$10, Daniel S.
$10, zzzzzzzz .
$10, Robert P.
$10, Tommy aka “X-Factor”
$10, Duke Sales
$10, Alberto Osbaldo G.
$10, Khan Md. Ashraf
$10, Rahul T.
$10, Sudip C.
$10, Christopher F.
$10, Barry D.
$9, Anders G.
$8 (19th donation), Tomasz K.
$8 (2nd donation), Watch & Co, ltd
$8 (2nd donation), Stephen Mayo Shaffer aka “Bruder Stefan”
$8, Cappabianca G.
$7 (3rd donation), Stephen Mayo Shaffer aka “Bruder Stefan”
$7 (2nd donation), Zachary J.
$7 (2nd donation), Janusz W.
$7, Alastair L.
$6 (9th donation), aka “AsciiWolf”
$6 (4th donation), Helmut R.
$6, Mark B.
$5 (49th donation), Eugene T.
$5 (40th donation), Bhavinder Jassar
$5 (29th donation), Dmitry P.
$5 (25th donation), Lance M.
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$5 (19th donation), William Menezes
$5 (18th donation), Blazej P. aka “bleyzer”
$5 (18th donation), M. P. V.
$5 (15th donation), Alexander G. B.
$5 (12th donation), Radim aka “myself42”
$5 (8th donation), Pierre G.
$5 (8th donation), Sami Mannila
$5 (7th donation), Thomas R.
$5 (7th donation), Felipe P.
$5 (6th donation), Ruslan A.
$5 (6th donation), Felipe P.
$5 (5th donation), Jürgen K.
$5 (5th donation), Lotte
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$5 (5th donation), Karl H.
$5 (4th donation), Matteo A. aka “Angelinux”
$5 (4th donation), Mesa Towing Company
$5 (4th donation), Maria L. G. N.
$5 (4th donation), Minnigaliev R.
$5 (4th donation), Štefan V. aka “Thinker8”
$5 (3rd donation), Daniel P. J.
$5 (3rd donation), Ben G
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137 comments

  1. Thank you for the update. That’s a lot of interesting data.

    I’m one of those “.3 releases” users. I used 18.3 upto some months ago when I installed 19.3, and I plan to keep using it for almost 2 years, when 20.3 is released. Why? Even when I have everything on the cloud (Google Drive for my files and Git repositories for my projects) and installing all my stuff from scratch doesn’t take more than 1 hour, I don’t like to be formatting or updating the OS each 6 months… and due to the fact that these .3 releases keep receiving package updates for several years, they work for me.

    As always, thank you for this awesome OS.

    1. I think that LMDE 4 is a great alternative if you want support for 32-bit hardware. Specially with the latest updates from LM 20 base, Cinnamon & others, it becomes are more exciting choice.

  2. I don’t think it’s much of a mystery why installations of LM 19.x remain the largest share of the Linux Mint wheel. From where I sit, the sole issue is that LM 20 — like Ubuntu 20 — no longer supports 32-bit cpus. I can, and do, run LM 20 on my 64-bit Asus Eee PC 1005PEB netbook, but my workstation and Asus Eee PC 900A netbook (both 32-bit cpus) both run a minimal installation of Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic) with X11, XDM, and JWM providing the GUI. I’m not complaining, but now that it’s become time to “fish or cut-bait”, you’ll probably see a lot of us who are fine with our old(er) hardware.
    PS: LM 20 (MATE) is excellent! Kudos to all.

    1. Good point, that’s an element as well though I don’t think it weighs in that much. We used to have stats on torrents which let us compare 32 and 64bit and it was quite clear 32-bit was significantly less downloaded. What we see with 20.x we also saw in the past with 19.x and 18.x before it, it takes new series a couple of releases before they gather a majority of the user base.

  3. Mint rocks, thanks so much for your efforts. It would be interesting to see some actual numbers for the “popularity study” (as opposed to just percentages). Am I correct in concluding that to be included in these statistics you have to be using the default installation of Firefox *and* not change the “default browser start page” (and, for example, not be using “restore previous session” etc.)? Seems like that might be a vanishingly small subset of the user base?

    1. Yes absolutely and that’s why the numbers themselves are meaningless because we can’t guess what that ratio is. What we can do though is interpret on the assumption that the ratio is more or less the same from one release to the next (and even that is quite approximative since newer releases get exposed to people who don’t stay, and older releases are more likely to have more people change the setting over time, since the time they’ve been using it is longer… so older series and less exposed series are probably higher than in this data, and newer series are probably lower).

    2. Wouldn’t it be better to use access stats/hits from the packages server?
      Of course, mirrors wouldn’t count, but I think that’s way more accurate than the start page.

    3. Yes, if people have dynamic IPs it would also depend on the frequency of updates though. The main advantage would be to be able to correlate different metrics and confirm the large trends we can see. We can’t measure accurately and there’s no real reason to do so, but we can compare with one metric, no matter how accurate it is, if the context is similar across the environments. Here for instance, it doesn’t really matter if Mint 20 is 15% and not 20% or if LMDE is 5% and not 1%, it shows us the importance of 19.3.

  4. Really good to hear that you’re listening to feedback on the need for Linux Mint to package Chromium.

    This, I believe, is a strategic package with Mozilla doing things with Firefox which some users question e.g. DNS-over-HTTP. On my personal laptop I’ve installed the Google Chrome .deb but I’m not particularly happy about doing it. For the household’s shared desktop PC I’m sticking with 19.3 until there’s a satisfactory means of installing Chromium natively.

    Regards,
    Neil Darlow

    1. IMHO, the esiest fix for this problem is to use a Chromium-based browser, such as Opera, Vivaldi, or Brave. There are several more out there. I have tried Opera and Vivaldi, and am now using Brave. They all work well, as far as I’ve seen.

    2. You can try on getting Chromium deb from openSUSE or using Ungoogled Chromium as an alternative free of Google since the Chromium also calls home for Google. I mean, it’s not because it’s open source that is automatically safe. When you use some services on Chromium, Google knows, when you install extensions through Chrome Web Store, they also know since there is no official Chromium Web Store.

  5. Interesting data about relative popularity. Statistics based on updates would be more accurate, though. Also, don’t be discouraged about slow uptake of the first LM20 release. Lots of experienced users regard the first release of any OS as an advanced beta.

    1. My thoughts also. There seems to be a few more issues issues with LM 20 than with other releases. Anyhow, I’m chugging along just fine on LM 19.3 and I plan to wait until at least 20.1 when more of the kinks are worked out.

  6. Pop!_OS 20.04 (same base as Linux Mint 20) by System76 packages Chromium. Some collaboration could be possible.

  7. It’s probably a mistake somewhere [don’t tell everybody or they’ll fix it] but i can install 32bit chromium package manually on 64bit Mint 19.3 [and did same with 18.3]. Please make sure you do this mistake if you package chromium. It’s important for my two un-upgradable onboard low capacity 2gb Asus netbooks as this mistake results in significant browser memory usage savings. And this Latitude too though it’s upgradable [4gb now, writing this on 32bit chromium].

  8. Linux Mint is an excellent distro and very well made. At the moment I have not had significant problems, which leaves me very satisfied.
    Just as a comment I suggested that you do not press to launch any new version. Sometimes it is preferable to give more time to a Beta to correct small details. Stability and ease of use is what we love about Mint.

    Good job and thank you very much to the LM team!!.

    P.S. Do you have anything in mind to improve the integration of the Appimages apps to the system?

    1. Hi Logan,

      Not at the moment. In terms of maturity, you’re right, but the biggest factor of improvement comes from feedback and the largest source of feedback is the BETA phase. You need to release to get feedback and you need feedback to get more stable before you can release… it’s a chicken and egg situation, that’s why we go through a BETA phase each time.

  9. Congratulations on LM20 Clem, and look forward to reading about new feature plans etc over the next couple of months.

    I wonder if the .3 releases are partly popular/persistent because by the time a user has rolled through the previous upgrades (0 – 2) they might have made a lot of personal refinements to their system – theming, PPAs, new versions of apps etc etc. There might then be a reticence to take the next leap forward until they’ve either prepared properly or it feels necessary? I know that applies in my case (still on 19.3), and I won’t upgrade until I’ve got some spare time and happy I’ve got all my bases covered.

    Oh, and on the subject of back-porting, is it on the cards that Nemo might get upgraded on 19.3. The performance improvements are definitely something I’m interested in – digital photography hobby and have lots of folders with images. If not, I might jump to LM20 a bit sooner.

    On a more general note, I’ve been using LM consistently for about 6 years now – never crashes, very few problems, happy and impressed. Great OS.

  10. Lately I have problems with Vivaldi browser. It runs fine until the update comes with Mint 20 Mate, I use always Mate. The vivaldi-stable makes that it dose not work anymore. One some desktop I have switched to Brave, no I don’t want Chrome, Chromium is OK but not the other one. The issue is that Jitsi dose not work very well on Firefox. And Chromium is not there anymore, so Vivaldi was the choice, I was using it straigth from it’s start years ago. Chromium gave the best results when using Jitsi, that is why we were using it. We are from Belgium, Flemish speaking. http://www.gnu-linuxwerkgroep.eu

  11. I am one of the LMDE4 users, and I’m sure the user base is bigger than just 1%, but I don’t have data to back it up. Anyway, I am super happy LMDE user, and I am not going back to Ubuntu-based LM. As the matter of fact, given the recent controversy with snaps and not following “the Ubuntu line”, I sincerely hope LM will shift primarily from Ubuntu to Debian. It seems to me the Mint philosophy is more in line with Debian than Ubuntu, and I think the void will get deeper in time.
    Anyway, thanks for the recent LMDE updates, and keep up the great work.

  12. I’m all in for LMDE 4 as well. I have been disappointed with the Ubuntu 20.04 base of LM 20. I saw that coming while I was beta testing Kubuntu 20.04

  13. Clem,

    Would it be possible to address the menu rendering problems in the XappStatusIcon applet? I mentioned it in the comments of the LM 20 release, but it was never discussed beyond that. Specifically two things:

    1. The theming of indicators is no longer consistent with the rest of the panel menus. When Cinnamon used to be set to handle indicators, they used to follow the panel menu theming. Now they use the desktop context menu theming, which is extremely out of place on the panel. I know that’s a nitpicky thing, but aesthetics are important to some of us.

    2. Some indicator menus (specifically Dropbox, in my case) don’t render the full menu the first time they are opened, and instead are rendered at about half their needed height and have scroll arrows at the top and bottom of the menu. I think what’s happening is that the first time the menu is accessed, it contains generic info. After it opens, Dropbox adds additional info to the menu based on your specific Dropbox account, which the menu isn’t tall enough to display. Again, when Cinnamon used to handle indicators, the menu would render, and then when the information is added the menu would expand to fit all the info.

    Some images to refer to:
    XappStatusIcon menu theming: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wH11MbFnmgUZUPSbbj73qv0igKL-sB1e/view?usp=sharing

    My panel’s normal menu theming, which I think the menu should follow, and used to follow in 19.3 and prior when Cinnamon was set to handle indicators: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O78WMCF-8zoAyG0s208uzII1XjZR4R7J/view?usp=sharing

    Dropbox’s half-height menu issue (personal info blocked out in red): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ei_X7P6BvQNzrrotK5YD33ArS9JJQ6L1/view?usp=sharing

    1. Hi Mike,

      These two won’t be addressed. 1. is subjective, some people prefer GTK and that’s consistent with xembed. 2. is up to GTK, it’s not something we can fix in Cinnamon itself.

    2. Ok. I guess it’s just another one of those many little annoyances that plague Linux in general. If it weren’t for the fact that in a short couple years I’ll be forced to upgrade anyway, I’d just drop back to 19.3, as it just seems better in general. Is there any way to revert just Cinnamon while staying at LM 20, so that I can have a version that can handle indicators properly on its own without this annoying weirdness?

  14. I love using LMDE4 and I firmly agree with the opinions expressed here by other LMDE users. My first experience with a Linux distro was Ubuntu 16.04 and I have experimented with several others. Last year after seeing so many good comments about Linux Mint I installed 19.3 on my 2012 Dell laptop and I immediately fell in love with Linux Mint. This eventually led me to install LMDE4 in a dual boot configuration, and now I am running LM20 along with LMDE4. I can honestly say that if I had to choose between the two I would choose LMDE4 without question. I believe that there are a lot more of us out there than 1% so Clem, please continue development and advancement of your LMDE project!

  15. I would hope that Chromium be an ‘optional’ install in any future versions.
    I was glad that Mint20 didn’t support SNAPs & it was one of the reasons I chose Mint over other Distributions & plan to donate for this reason.

    I prefer zero to as little proprietary software as possible in Linux.
    I came to Linux to escape proprietary software.

  16. “We can do better and consider this a little bit more when it comes to backporting fixes and solutions as we develop new releases.”

    Would backporting slow down development?

    Thank you

    1. That’s a good question. It really depends where we put the cursor between “release it and never look back”, and “evaluate each new commit to assess any past release it might benefit”. It’s something we’ll need to think about.

  17. I chose LMDE4 because of its dexterity and speed.
    Because LMDE4 is far behind LM20 on Kernel,
    maybe a new computer can use LM20 due to Kernel factors,
    but LMDE4 may not be usable.
    Last year,my new computer can be used on LM19,
    but LMDE3 cannot be used, so I use LM19.
    One year later, LMDE4 Just appeared.
    If the LMDE4 Kernel is upgraded to be the same as LM20,
    this comparison may be more objective.

    1. agree, by the way, MX Linux offers two versions, old kernel and newer kernel. Mint is a big distro, but a little stingy when we’re talking about .iso options. I miss so much the UNIVERSAL EDITION and codecs, the real out-of-box distro.

    2. Thomas. LMDE IS Debian stable but if you “feel” you need a kernel simply go over to Liquorix and install theirs.I run it and it’s fine.I’m a hardware tester is my reason.It updates quite often so be prepared for that.I’s auto added to the repos when you install it.

  18. These are really interesting informations about the usage of Linux Mint!
    As stability is more important to me than new features, I should be one of these x.3-users, but, to be honest, I am always so curious and that’s why I am updating to new versions immediately 😉

    Another thing: The statistics about the usage of Cinnamon/Mate/XFCE would also be very interesting!
    Which brings me to this plea: I know you guys are working hard on Cinnamon and Mate, focussing on these desktops. But PLEASE never ever stop the XFCE-version. There are people (like me) using XFCE since ages on a lot of computers (from very old to very new). Mint and XFCE is a dream team!

    1. Cinnamon, MATE and Xfce, despite being different also share a lot in common. When we started working on Cinnamon, one of the early things we did was to make it cheap to work on it. We gave ourselves good APIs to develop xlets, good settings frameworks etc. This made developing things in Cinnamon extremely easy. When we started the Xapp initiative we made it cheaper to develop for MATE and Xfce. Thanks to Xapp we can develop fast solutions which not only benefit Cinnamon but MATE and Xfce also.

      I don’t have stats for the DEs at the moment but we know we have MATE and Xfce users who love their desktop. We’re very happy to support them.

  19. I am – and have always been – one of those dedicated XX.3 users, and for a simple reason – these releases are the most mature and bug-free, which makes them stable and reliable. I am still using 18.3 and planning to upgrade to 19.3 in the near future.

    Thank you Clem and team for an excellent OS that made my computer experience much better after migrating from Windows many years ago!

  20. Hello Clem & team,

    It looks like there is currently a problem with the Nvidia graphics driver.
    When the system starts up, a message appears that no graphics driver has been loaded and the system is working without hardware acceleration.
    No change is possible in the driver manager. When trying to load the “Noveau” driver, the driver manager is empty after the restart.
    After research in different forums, i see that I’m not the only one with this problem.

    Are you already working on a solution and will it be installed via an update?

    The error occurred after installing the last “Nvidia Settings” update.

    It does not occur every time the system is started. Therefore it can also be reproduced poorly.

  21. I’ve played with Linux since getting disillusioned with OS/2 Warp (so much potential there but, alas, another story). Back then, I compiled my kernel and I used FVWM as my window manager. Great to tinker with but, for most, not a “daily driver”. I’ve watched Linux distros become more and more sophisticated. I recall being very impressed by how polished SuSE was. As for Ubuntu, perhaps I don’t like the direction they’re taking now but their contributions to making Linux accessible to the average end-user grew the platform. Besides that, if it wasn’t for their Unity desktop, I may never have distro-hopped over to Mint ;).
    .
    Today, there are a lot of really good distros out there with some very good ideas. (Manjaro is actually fantastic on a Raspberry Pi 4 BTW). Mint, however, has earned it’s spot on my main computer as my “daily driver”. MInt also remains my go-to recommendation for anyone looking to get into Linux or to replace their Windows install. If Ubuntu continues down their current path, then I see myself just switching over to LMDE and driving on.

  22. I still think you are waisting time on Ubuntu base. If LM was only based on Debian, you could then bypass .x releases, and you could provide Cinnamon, Mate and Xfce.
    LMDE is working really nice, is more responsive.
    Ubuntu is just a Debian released too early 🙂

    1. 100% right. I love to see Linux mint without based on Ubuntu. LMDE is lightweight and faster than Ubuntu based LM .

    2. FredR totally agree. Except they’re wasting time with Debian as well. If we want to keep Free, Open Source Software, we have to rely on actual modular tools that work and aren’t so monolithic, convoluted, and broken out of the box. And since Debian took the systemd poison pill (and the creator died very mysteriously, imagine that), it has been garbage in all of my testing.

      I’d REALLY love to see a Devuan based version of Mint. I think it would be fairly easy to port the LMDE version over, as 99% of my “Debian” based apps run great in Devuan.

      Maybe if Clem makes mint too good though, he’ll be a target like Ian was. 🙁

  23. Thanks for another huge effort. And Thank you for the explanation about LMDE. i had always wondered why the extra effort, and now i’m even more impressed and grateful for the planned backstop/escape path you’ve been considering for so long.
    Anecdotally, I’m still on 19.x due to 32bit machine, but will likely complete hardware upgrade in the next few months and look to install LM20. Really interesting data; caveats and all.

    1. Oh yes… did experimented sound like we were running experiments on them? 🙂 I’ll edit that 🙂

    2. If I had only known Mint was using browser meta-data to gauge the relative size of its versions in use, I wouldn’t have kept running that script to change the browser defaults on every install =)

  24. > In last month’s feedback we noted some users would like Linux Mint to package Chromium. We also observed confusion and lack of empowerment when it comes to dealing with foreign packages during the upgrade. These are two areas we’re looking into at the moment.

    Completely, you guys should package Chromium as soon as possible. Make it easier for the public you’re geared towards. Take as an example what Pop!_OS did and other small projects that aren’t dependent on Ubuntu or Debian. If they can manage to package Chromium, Mint can too.
    It will also clean the dirty with Canonical – I don’t know how to express that in English since it’s not my first languague, but it’s important to create less problems to a distro that you (like it or not) depend on/rely on.
    LMDE is just a plan B and it’s far from being completely usable for the main users. If you have plan to get rid of Ubuntu dependence, then need to make an effort to improve more LMDE, create a graphical way to get drivers etc… You guys have the upper hand and you know how much love people have with Linux Mint. Mint is a good alternative for new users as it resembles Windows look-and-feel in the Linux way. I always recommend Mint for newcomers.

  25. The main question about thinking of packaging Chromium as a DEB is… are you guys able of keeping it updated with security updates? A browser is something that should be always up-to-date, for security purposes.
    There is also another question… What if you guys package Chromium as a DEB and Canonical for some reason start to do the same thing as they did with Chromium with other packages? More work for you? More possibly documentations on how to get the DEB version of X, Y or Z package? It’s a possibility we shouldn’t ignore. Mint should be prepared to all possibilities regarding Ubuntu and Canonical.

    1. Absolutely. You raise a couple of interesting points.

      – It’s easy to make a Chromium package, we’d have done so already if that was the end goal. What we’re looking into is indeed whether or not we want to commit to maintaining it and keeping up with updates. How fast we can react to upstream and what we rely on.
      – The more moves to snap the more work it is for us but the more work it is for Ubuntu as well. Almost all the packaging that you see in Mint and in Ubuntu is done by Debian. Moving away from it might bring advantages but it also has a cost.
      – Everything we rely on and depend on, we prepare to lose. What would Mint be without Ubuntu? What would Mint be without GNOME? etc.. when there is a concern we spend resources into R&D and potential alternatives (MATE, Cinnamon, LMDE etc..). The idea isn’t to control everything, but to be able to continue to provide the same product no matter what happens to components we currently use.

    2. Great response Clem!

      And the work you do keeping a system alive when bad actors like red hat or whomever comes in to destroy an ecosystem is well appreciated.

      Definitely we are spoiled for choice, but does that matter when gnome, systemd, mate, etc. are all broken out of the box? I don’t envy the herd of upstream bad actor kittens you are wrestling with.

      It might be better to switch Debian edition to Devuan edition and get rid of ALL the corporate bad actor garbage. Devuan is really great as a server OS, but if it was minty as a desktop….. Delicious!

      I haven’t found too many things I can’t do in Devuan that I can do in Debian, and it’s much more stable, much more reliable, and much more efficient over all. Debian 7 and before were so much better. The non-modular nature of systemd has clearly been a step backwards for the entire industry from a systems architecture standpoint. I can’t believe how many people were willing to take the poison pill! I’ve tried Debian 8, 9, and 10 several times, but their unreliable nature make them a non-starter for me in the server room (or the cloud, or whatever).

      But the downside on Devuan is that it’s TOTALLY rough around the edges and not great for end users as a desktop (unless you’re a career hacker, like some of us).

      Anyway, cheers for wrestling with all those redhat, canonical, corporate demons. I don’t envy that aspect of your role!!

    3. Thanks for your response, Clém.
      I wish the best for Linux Mint and LMDE, but needed to ask some of these questions.
      Ubuntu is shoving snaps even more, so it can be a problem if everything becomes a snap and stops to being shipped as DEB/RPM, it can also affect other distros such as Debian & Fedora, so your (possible) future plans on going 100% Debian can also be affected by Ubuntu indirectly.
      Anyway, so many thanks!

  26. Clem: What are the advantages – if any – of LMDE versus the mainstream flavors of Mint? Just curious as I am a cautious old geezer (age 75) who runs only dot three releases.

    I wish there would be choice for what portions of new Mint releases are installed. Presently Mint installs many items that I find I do not need. Admittedly they can be deleted, but a selective installation process would be nice. Beware of Mint becoming too large due to feature creep.

    1. Hi Scott,

      There are features missing in LMDE. It’s goal isn’t to be completely on par with Mint but to show us it could be a viable solution. I don’t have an exhaustive list but a few things come to mind… NVIDIA Prime support, Driver Manager, multiple kernel series, PPAs, LTS aspects, point releases, MATE and Xfce.. with every release we close the gap a little bit though. LMDE recently received disk encryption, system reports..etc. It gets closer and closer to Linux Mint in terms of features and user experience.

    2. Hi Clem,

      Thanks for your explanation of some of the differences between LMDE and Mint.

      But please also address the second question/concern Scott brought up in his comment: “Mint installs many items that I find I do not need”, and his concern about “Mint becoming too large.”

      This is also an area of concern for me. And, as a relatively inexperienced Linux user, I’m unsure which of the many packages I never use, that are installed by default with Mint, can be safely removed.

      Please consider including a *minimal installation* option in future releases of Linux Mint, an option which many other distros already offer.

  27. Hello Everyone! I like this new Linux Mint 20 A-LOT ! only issue i have being, ” NEW ” is one Game I play EQ2. if this “installs” all in one package deal.. I will Drop Windows like a ROCK.! I can’t wait to delete windows! it is a directX9C Game Ever Quest 2 . I would donate alot if I know this is something could happen? I am tryin gthis LM20 on a USB 3.0 SanDisk 32 G and it take up 9.1 G for just the OS. My first try crashed and dumped (sad Day).
    I believe it was from Video Drivers Nvidia GTX 660. had to “Update” driver-set from “Server” ->”nvidia-driver-440-server (recommended) ” in green. I think it works fine now. I run AMD FX8350 8-core 32GRam MSi board.
    oh please add more back ground pictures and ADD last versions too i liked them 18.1 ~19.3 . Thanks

    1. Andrew,
      If you play Ever Quest 2 through Steam then it looks like it is playable through Proton which is a compatibility layer for playing Windows games on Linux. You can search ProtonDB for level of compatibility (EQ2 is rated gold).

      To get the last versions of backgrounds all you need to do is search for ‘mint-backgrounds’ in the software manager.

  28. Hi Clem

    There seem to be a bug in LMDE 4. On a fresh install, I chose both encrypt home folder and full disk encryption.

    The full disk encryption works as it should. I am asked to enter the passphrase immediately after the system have started to boot up. However after the desktop appear, I am NOT asked to enter the home partition passphrase when accessing the home folder and it’s sub-folders.

    However, the home folder is still encrypted. I took out the system disk and connected it to a USB to SATA cable and booted the LMDE 4 live system. To access the disk, I again have to enter the LUKS passphrase (full disk encryption password). But this time, when I tried to enter the home folder, I couldn’t because it is encrypted as well. I tried to run a a command that was suggested but it gave an error message. But of course, this is not the usual way you would enter the encrypted home folder anyway. One thing I noticed is that a small partition of 1GB was created, where the GRUB bootloader and Linux kernel images reside. This partition is not encrypted. When I updated the system update manager, I was asked where I want to install GRUB, on Sda (the 1 GB non-encrypted partition where the bootloader and Linux images are located, or on the the larger LUKS encrypted volume, or on all partitions. Guiding text said I should choose all partitions if I did not know what partition to choose. After a long minute of thinking, I chose Sda only. And it worked fine. I was wondering if I had chosen to install the GRUB files on ONLY the LUKS volume, then I would not have been able to boot the system the next time? Is this correct?

    Another thing not related to the above, I noticed that the Partition table was Master Boot Record. When you do a clean install and choose delete everything, and choose LVM (with or without encryption) does the installer automatically set Master Boot Record as partition table? I am not sure but I thought I had set the partition table previously (years ago) to the more modern variant called GUID partition table (also called gdp).
    Anyway if the partition table is automatically set, then in future versions of LM or LMDE, GUID partition should in my view be automatically set, also on disks smaller than 2TB. After all both LM and LMDE are considered to be modern operating systems.

    Finally I wish to bring to attention that a IMHO important package suite that was present in LMDE 3 repository, have disappeared from not only the LMDE 4 repository but also from the Debian Buster repositories as well. When I do a search for it on Ubuntu home page nothing shows up as well. The package suite in question is CDEmu which consists of 6 components. Installing these components makes it possible for me to install Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary version 9 under Wine 5.01 (The Wine 4.0 in the LMDE 4 repos does not work by the way, I did try but had to again install WIne from Winehq repos, which works perfectly, though this time I had to install some dependencies first: libstb0, libfaudio0_20.01-0~buster_amd64.deb and
    libfaudio0_20.01-0~buster_i386.deb including extra packages). To set up CDEmu this time I had to visit the project’s home page on sourceforge.io and first download the 6 tarballs and then start with the
    VHBA module and run the following command inside the tarballs’ extracted folders to create easily install-able .deb packages: dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -tc. I did this for all 6 components and though there were some dependency requirements underway that I had to download from the LMDE 4 repository, I did manage to create .deb files for all 6 components. Then it was simply a matter of installing the components from the .deb files in the correct order, installing the VHBA module first. I then installed the OALD9 (Oxford Advanced Learner’s dictionary version 9) and everything is working fine, just as it did under LMDE 3, but this time it was a lot more work. I am not sure if you are aware of it? But in Windows 10, securom protected CDs/DVDs can be installed WITHOUT using a similar virtual drive emulator such as Alcohol 120 % which was necessary to install first on previous versions of Windows prior to installing such copy-protected material.

    As you know better than anyone, LM 20 and LMDE 4 are considered to be modern operating systems. I have a question regarding LM 20 and LMDE 4. I could of course test it myself, but it was a lot of work to first install Wine from Winehq including dependencies, then all the work to prepare and set up the CDEmu suite, and then finally to install the OALD9 dictionary, and do not wish to start from the beginning again.

    The question is this. What if I had chosen NOT to install the CDEmu software suite, and instead after setting up Wine had gone directly to install the securom protected OALD 9 using LMDE 4’s built in disk image mounter (which does not have the ability to remove the copy-protection residing in the OALD9 image file of course) would I be able to install the dictionary? I tried to install it on LMDE 2 – 5 years ago. No chance in h***. I tried to install it on LMDE 3, No chance in h*** but! in LMDE 3 repos there were CDEmu and I downloaded that with Synaptic and boom, it installed! But what about LM 20 and LMDE 4 are these systems as good as Windows 10 in this regard? In other words can a user install a securom protected game, dictionary etc on LM 20 and LMDE 4 without setting up CDEmu first (Wine must of course be installed first)? I hope you can shed some light on this because as you know portable computers do not even have a DVD ROM reader/burner. Users who bought for example OALD 9 can therefore not use the dictionary the have previously purchased on their computers, unless they are running Windows 10 or install CDEmu under Wine on their Linux computer unless it is now possible to install securom protected material without CDEmu on LM 20/LMDE 4?

    Finally, interesting statistics! YES LMDE has a small user base for now, but it as based on Debian, the by far largest Linux system by the number of packages. A total of 57703 packages in fact. Not bad that! And as many LMDE users on this blog is pointing out, LMDE is very snappy and stable.

    I hope you can answer some of my questions despite my far too long post! 🙂

    Thank you for a great OS!

    1. I forgot to mention one thing with regards to CDEmu.

      When I in April upgraded my LMDE 3 system to LMDE 4, I was watching all the action taking place in the terminal when the system was being upgraded after running commands such as this one: nice mintupgrade upgrade… that the CDEmu packages installed from the official LMDE 3 repository was removed from the system during the upgrade process, but still, after booting up LMDE 4, the securom protected Oxford Advanced Learner’s dictionary 9 worked and has continued to work up until this week when I decided to do a fresh install of LMDE 4 with disk and home folder encryption.

      Nevertheless, I am not sure if software or a game from a securom protected DVD can be installed on a fresh install of LMDE 4 without installing the CDEmu software suite first (again wine must of course have been installed first).

    2. Thanks Paul,

      I’d argue Ubuntu is actually snap-ier, (pun intended) 🙂

      Regarding the partitioning and encryption I’d need more info.. your exact partitioning, installation steps etc. The best thing to do is to create an issue on github.com/linuxmint/live-installer.

      Debian isn’t a “product”, it really is a “distribution” of packages. You have to look at it as the collective work of thousands of individuals, with various levels of skills, ambition and availability. There’s nothing else like it in terms of scale though and it’s thanks to Debian we have such a large collection of packages available. Without Debian there would be no Ubuntu and there would be no Linux Mint (and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, Debian also supports many architectures). There are packages which are deemed important enough in Debian to block a release, but for many, if they’re not ready in time, they get dropped. It’s quite common to see packages in a Debian release go missing, even though they were there before and they’re still there in Sid. If I remember right, Cinnamon missed 2 dependencies in Debian buster (libtimezonemap and xawtv). We had to add these to LMDE 4.

    3. Well regarding partition and encryption I ran the LMDE 4 live system, checked the box home folder encryption (and set a passphrase), then on one of the following pages in the wizard, I chose “delete everything”, I chose LVM and then I chose full disk encryption (and set a second passphrase). I did not create any partition other than the ones the installer created. That was the small 1 GB partition where GRUB and Linux images reside and large LVM encrypted voulme.

      I had expected then that when I boot into the system after entering the full disk encryption passphrase I would be prompted again for the home folder passphrase when I am trying to access the encrypted home folder. But the home folder is accessible without having to enter the passphrase.

      But as explained above in my long post. The home folder is actually encrypted, and when connecting the disk to the laptop with a USB to SATA cable running LMDE 4 live system. I can not access the home folder because it is encrypted. But also I can not access it this way because I am not prompted for the home folder passphrase.

      About CDEmu. You did not go into it in your reply. I am guessing that Debian had been asked or forced to remove the suite by copyright holder groups. But in my point of view this is a controversial move. Because newer laptops does not have a DVD ROM reader, and can not install securom software such as OALD 9 that people have bought previously, without CDEmu suite installed. Unless it is now possible to install in LMDE 4 and LM 20 just as it is possible to install securom proteced games, software under Windows 10 without installing Alcohol 120 % first (this program does the same thing on previous Windows version as CDEemu can do on Linux systems)? I can confirm that on LMDE 3 it is NOT possible to install securom protected material without havine installed CDEmu first. But on LMDE 4 when doing a fresh install, I simply decided to install CDEmu before installing OALD9. I did not test if it was possible to install OALD9 before installing CDemu.

      I had hoped you would take the time to answer some of my questions in my far too long post. But you didn’t. Maybe it was too long for you to read.

    4. Some more info on partitions:

      /dev/sda Free space 2.1 MB
      /dev/sda1 Filesystem Partition 1 1.0 GB Ext4
      /dev/mapper/lvmlmde 255 GB LVM2 PV
      /dev/sda2 Partition 2 255 GB LUKS

      Note: the two last listed above is the same partition, as listed in gnome-disk utility (Disks)

      As regards to installation steps I have described them in the post below yours.

    5. Correction:

      In my first long post today I wrote:
      “When I updated the system update manager, I was asked where I want to install GRUB, on Sda (the 1 GB non-encrypted partition where the bootloader and Linux images are located, or on the the larger LUKS encrypted volume, or on all partitions. Guiding text said I should choose all partitions if I did not know what partition to choose. After a long minute of thinking, I chose Sda only”.

      I wrote sda two times, but the correct info is sda1, on both places in the text.

    6. Clem

      Do you have time to look into the bug?

      It seems to me that in regards to LMDE you are not testing all features before you make an official release.
      LMDE 3 was released with a non working Power Management App where users were not able to see the battery status. I reported this bug and you got it fixed. For that bug there were some missing packages that were not present in Debian 9.

      LMDE 4 you released with dysfunctional home folder encryption.

      Perhaps it would be a good idea do the same in LMDE as in the LM Ubuntu version and release point releases where bugs like this could be fixed. Unless the fix is an easy one that could be downloaded through the Update Manager.

  29. Hi Clem.
    I’d like to use desklet/applet “Driver manager” again in Linux MINT. Is it possible to fork it …? Thanks for your effort and patience with our requests.

  30. If there were LMDE MATE and LXDE editions, perhaps LMDE would be used by more people. LMDE is available in a 32-bit version, but only with cinnamon. But I think it would be a very costly job to do, isn’t it ? MX Linux with LXDE is the first distribution uploaded to Distrowatch. LXDE is a success (strange, I find MATE and cinnamon to be better).
    I’m using Linux Mint MATE on 5 computers and all is working well. I just had a problem with 32-bit printers drivers, could you add the missing package in next version : https://github.com/linuxmint/linuxmint/issues/291 ?
    Does the bug with windows screenshot will be fixed in MATE next release : https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-utils/issues/236 ?

    1. Thanks, I’ll have a look into the printer issue. Regarding MATE it’s a known bug, the dev team already knows about it.

  31. One thing I have not seen other readers of this blog commend you for yet, is your decision to include the debian buster-backports repository in LMDE 4. Although it is recommended to only sparsely install packages from backports, I definately think this was a good decision, so users can install a few packages in a newer version should they need that for whatever reason. Though the CDEmu suite is not in the backports repository.

    Again thanks for a great OS!

  32. I’m using V19 and will likely upgrade to V20 very soon. My only hesitation is that I have a dual boot W10 and LM system so my backups and upgrades take twice as long. I wish I could dump W10 altogether but I have some important programs that I can’t get to work in WINE.

    1. Hi Tom,

      An alternative to dual boot and emulation is virtualization. You can run Windows within Virtualbox or VMWare for instance and run Windows software inside of that. You can even make it seamless so your windows applications “look” like they’re on top of your Linux desktop and outside of the virtual machine. It’s not the best solution for everybody, it really depends on your needs, but give it a go and see if you like it.

    2. It would be good if there was a better virtualization option built in.

      Virtualbox is not super efficient, and is very proprietary (although it works well).

      virt-manager could be good, but never is. There are always a host of permission issues and botched configs that make it pretty much unusable unless you’re willing to spend hours digging through google fixes.

      virt-manager getting some love and fixes could make sand boxing apps a breeze and solve a lot of the package management issues, too. For instance you could package chromium as a virtual machine app, and not at all care where it pulls updates from, since it wouldn’t effect the rest of the system.

      Having some kind of intuitive gui for libvirt (virtinst, firt-viewer, virt-sandbox), could really make a LOT of issues better for people coming over from Windows, other distros, or even porting android apps as “native”.

      Of course, if all of that was easy and “just worked” maybe a lot of sysadmins would lose their jobs…..

  33. Hi Clem,

    Maybe a more universal approach would be considered as a better option for Theming – to have basic setup colors (like we have now) and then give the user possibility to adjust/set colors to their liking?
    What it means is to give us, users a tool so that we could set colors/shades for ourselves.

    This way, if someone doesn’t like (even slightly) the colors they are using, he/she could quickly change it or adjust to the color they prefer.

    Best regards,
    AMartin

  34. Ok, that’s great and all, but how about actually listening to beta testers and fixing issues before shipping the “final” release. The mate version had a ton of stupid bugs in the beta, I reported many of them, and then the “final” version still had all the bugs.

    Look, I get it: Cinnamon is your baby. And it’s pretty good. But there are MATE features that some of us just prefer, and rushing a release without fixing the bugs during the beta process is something you guys have done almost every single release. Why even bother with the beta? I mean, if you’re going to put out a beta, and not fix the bugs, you might as well just ship final in the first place.

  35. By the way Clem

    After having done the fresh install of LMDE 4 this week and opening Firefox the first time, and saw that I take to Linux Mint home page, the first thing I did was to set home page and new windows to: Blank Page
    and likewise I set New tabs to: Blank Page.

    So yeah, I guess despite having used LMDE for more than 5 years (since day 1 when LMDE 2 was released when I decided to move to LMDE from LM 17 because of at that time my mouse cursor sometimes froze in LM 17, a problem that was solved by switching to LMDE . This problem have never occurred in LMDE so I have continued to use LMDE. Of course nowadays with Ubuntu/Canonical having ended up in the pockets of Big Capital, I see no reason to return back to LM Ubuntu version) I am not a user who would contribute to making the statistics for LMDE use in your survey any better. So yeah, to be counted in your numbers I guess you have to find another way to get me registered.

  36. hello team linux mint.
    this is just an idea, it would be great to have an arch based distribution in the future.
    i’m currently using cinnamon desktop, but under the manjaro distribution, mainly because of the great availability of software that it contains and the possibility of having the latest versions of such software.
    it really works very well and cinnamon runs spectacularly.
    maybe in some moment it would be good to do the tests by your team.
    I congratulate you for your great work, and it is my desire to see you grow, you have deserved it.

  37. I’m back on 19.3 because LM 20 can’t see Nvidia drivres. I’ve tried everything and is not working. The strange thing is that it works on external ssd.

    “I think we underestimated how many people used the .3 releases. We can do better and consider this a little bit more when it comes to backporting fixes and solutions as we develop new releases. .”

    I think that it deserves a last time update after the release of the new system, but only Cinnamon. Also will be better to keep two Desktop Environments: Cinnamon and Mate. I can’t see any reason for XFCE.

    1. I first had problems with my Nvidia when switching from 19.1 to 19.2. A few tricks with package manager repairs and CLI fixes and it was working again. After the upgrade to 19.3 it was really bad. Basically I could not get rid of the OpenGL error. I could check the driver from the CLI,, but it would not load completely until I used an older kernel. Still it showed the error and seemed slow. Other unrelated packages had errors and many updates had more issues. My installation was fairly vanilla except for cairo and themes. I think Ubuntu may be part of the problem.
      I was sad to leave after the years I have loved LM since v15, but I finally moved to a completely different (Debian but nonUbuntu) distro because of my time availability. I think LM was easily the best distro until all of the new issues, I hope others do not have similar problems.

  38. Clem

    One thing that you could improve next time around when the time comes for a new release of LMDE. I do not know if this applies to LM as well as it’s been years since I ran an installed version of LM.

    Under setup I was asked which language I wanted to install. I chose English, United Kingdom as this is the English variant I prefer.

    Then when setup was complete and I booted in to the desktop for the first time, even before I had installed a single application or did any sort of configuration of the system. I was met with the System Reports app that recommended me to install extra packages for the English, United Kingdom variant of English that I had just chosen to install. Come on? UK is where English were born and developed over 1000’s of years. I think that when the next release is shipped, full support for this English variant should be already loaded on the ISO!

    Not a big issue, just found it a little peculiar.

    1. This happens with the US version of English as well; and the package it warns of is of absolutely no consequence. I also found it odd, but just chose to check the “ignore this issue” box. It is strange. Was it something to do with hyphens? That is what I was met with, some sort of hyphen package. It showed up in 19.3 as well. There seems to be no need for it.

    2. When I’ve chose Portuguese language, it installed also English, French, Chinese, German and Spanish altogether.

  39. Hi and thanks for LMDE Debbie..
    You guys have made Cinnamon a great environment and front end for Debian…
    This is basically the first NON KDE desktop I have used in the 20 years of using Linux…
    It would be great if the current Firefox was easily install able next to the ESR…

  40. I use LM 19.3 and LMDE 4, and it is important to me to emphasize how important your work on LMDE is. The Debian base is excellent, the system runs much faster and is completely independent from Ubuntu. Especially the latest developments show again how important it is to move away from Ubuntu and maybe one day switch over completely. So thank you very much for the LMDE project, please keep promoting it!

    1. As a user of both Debian and Ubuntu (both server and desktop) I find the claims here that Debian is “much faster” to be hyperbolic, perhaps even ridiculous. To me they are indistinguishable in most respects, with the exception of installing Flatpaks or Snaps, which is hardly a basis for comparison. I wonder if you or anyone else repeating this claim can point to any data showing substantial performance differences (on Phoronix or similar) that would make a material difference in everyday use — so I can understand what I’m missing?

      The point of LMDE has been explained and it has nothing to do with seemingly imaginary performance benefits.

    2. The fact is that LMDE runs noticeably faster on my PC than Linux Mint 19.3, this is not a claim but an observation.

  41. I’m now all-in LM20, single and dual boots, running great on a couple of older boxes that shipped with 32 bit Windows. I’ll only thow in 1) the point releases are a godsend for serious “LTS” as compared with pre-LM17 releases, an install really lasts four to five years now; 2) many will always fresh install a new numbered version rather than try to upgrade in place, and that not only requires reconfiguring preferences to the OS but a lot of work to install and reconfigure third-party software to personal preferences; 3) some users may be deferring not because of LM20 per se, but underlying Ubuntu 20-04 created third-party software compatibility issues – in my case Cherrytree and XnViewMP – not yet resolved by their developers, requiring “workarounds” (both FlatPack and Snap are overhyped disappointments, and to some they are not acceptable substitutes for small, efficient .deb or ppa package installation.

  42. Thanks for the new toys for LMDE4 which coincidentally still has 32-bit install media if anyone running older builds of Mint are planning what to use next.

    LMDE4 is pretty much the same user experience you get with main Mint. Okay, some packages are older but they do exactly the same thing and hardware support is top notch.

    A blog post aimed at such users may be prudent in the coming months. It will prevent some users migrating away to other distributions but also if picked up by search algorithms will entice new users to the LM Community too.

  43. hello linux mint I have a rather peculiar problem, so to speak, the mint 20 system works fine except in the reconnection of the internet it dugs and lags practically the entire system is paralyzed for a few minutes making it unusable at that moment, if it is a small failure but if you can repair it in a next update I would appreciate it

  44. Thanks for all the interesting info & a big thanks for LMDE 4 & the continued work on Debian Edition. Perhaps I’m a bit closer to the power users described above, because I would have never even considered leaving the default start page in any of my Distros. Things are much faster & more private with the Firefox new tab page & Duckduckgo set as my search engine.

  45. Clem,

    The tenor of some comments here is a bit surprising (not least the conspiracy theory about the death of the very much alive Lennart Poettering). For balance: I have the greatest respect for your judgement and donate every month, and have done for years, because of it. I’ve also set up up several people with Mint all of whom are happy with it and have never called me for support. Please keep up the outstanding work.

  46. I don’t like/use Firefox, I use Chrome on Linux and Edge on Windows/Android. Why not drop Firefox and bring Chromium preinstalled? And why Mint XFCE version brings X-Apps but doesn’t bring Nemo instead Thunar? If I want a “pure” Xfce experience I have Debian and Xubuntu. Nemo is great. Is it possible LMDE bring a newer kernel as MX Linux does?

    1. I appreciate *you* do not like firefox, but *I* do like and use use firefox in Linux and on the odd occasion i have to use Windows (mostly sat nav updates and scanning as my scanner not worked in LM since 17.3). So I would not like to see firefox dropped. The point is that we all have our own preferences in the packages we use and I think that Clem and the team do a great job in their choices, but they will never be able to please everyone. Having both preinstalled would be a good compromise, but there are issues with Chromium and snaps as you know. Clem did say they were looking into it in this newsletter

    2. Chrome is fine if you don’t care about privacy or browser mono-culture, but I think I think Firefox is way better on those and other counts that are important to most Mint users such as being a more open & far more community based project. Your preferred browser has already become the default in far too many instances, certainly for those of use who are aware of the bad old days of IE domination. In addition it’s a project sponsored to benefit a rather massive tech company who has a fairly large number of privacy concerns against them. Use what you will to browse, but advocating ditching Firefox by default is bad for the web as a whole & bad for Mint users. Feel free to install a .deb package of any browser that supplies them – I’ve been known to user other things from time to time but Firefox is still the best default option by far.

    3. Newer kernel versions are available in LMDE4. Backports are enabled by default so you can take your pick

  47. Please please Clem, I know this is considerable work but I would recommend leaving out both the Ubuntu / Debian base… The Reasons: There are 2 distributions that are already contaminated by a supposed “init system” that behaves like a second kernel and that creates a lot of really absurd dependencies within the system (two of its best known defects). I don’t trust that “init system” at all, and that was the reason why I no longer use Linux Mint – a veteran user who used Linux Mint from version 5 to version 17.3 inclusive told you.

    I would like to give Linux Mint a try again, it was my home for many years … But I feel I can no longer trust this distribution. For now I feel very comfortable in Devuan / MX Linux / PCLinuxOS. Please consider moving away from the Ubuntu / Debian bases … They should make a really reliable system… Devuan would be the best option. I would like to see a new LMDE (Linux Mint Devuan Edition), I know you can make a great system, it would be a dream come true and it would make me come back with a lot liking and trust again in Linux Mint. Greetings.

    1. What’s the real problem use systemd? I can only imagine weird people against it, no offense.

  48. Hello Clem, Abebe here from Jamaica. want to invest fully in mint but i wld like to know, What is the future of Linux Mint when u eventually step down or die? Wouldn’t like to invest in something that’s tied to one person’s lifespan. In Layman’s terms will mint continue in the same or better direction when u r no more?

    1. After the asteroid belt this fall Jamaica will be under 200 feets of dat water mon. No worries, be happy 😉

    1. Oh come on, what a daft question. Clem may be the project lead for Linux Mint but there are many developers involved and I’m fairly sure that should any of them get hit by a bus/car/asteroid the project would continue in some form as others have done before. Debian is a prime example. Don’t be surprised if you do not get another answer because quite frankly the question posed is vulgar.

  49. Clem,
    With the update of Cinnamon to version 4.6.6 on LMDE 4, two apps stopped displaying their system tray icons, one was Birdtray and the other was CopyQ. Both apps were downloaded from Flathub via of the Software Manager. Can you advise me on how to correct the issue. Thank you.

  50. I had to upgrade to Linux Mint 20 as I was having a few issues with updates and the online game provider Steam wasn’t working anymore. I do miss Google Chrome and Chromium but I am very impressed with the latest up date it works really well. I did fresh install and now it works really well.

  51. Maybe this is not the right forum but here is an error in accessibility (zoom) function that I started experiencing in 18.x.

    In any linux mint >= 18, enable desktop zoom from accessibility. Then use Alt + Win + + from the main keyboard to zoom some part of the screen. Then shut down or restart linux mint, you will notice that the screen is zoomed to the level you left it when it was shut down (this is OK behavior). Not try to change zoom level by Alt + Win + + (increase) or Alt + Win + – (Decrease) but the keys don’t work. In such a case (when screen was zoomed in the last session before shut down / restart), I have to toggle zoom (OFF, then ON) again and the key combinations start to work. However, if my screen is NOT zoomed at all before shut down / restart, I do not have to toggle zoom, the key combinations Alt + Win + +/- work as they should. The bug still exists in LM 20!

    I have vision problem so I mostly zoom the screen during my work so this becomes very important for me!

    Please fix or if already fixed, please let me know.

  52. I have in my PC two OS : Ubuntu and Mint based on Ubuntu. And it is possible to install a third OS also in my PC. I wanted to install as a thirt OS LMDE (Mint based on Debian) to help to developers for feedback of my using it, but by instal Mint told me that it is going to delete the existing Mint (based on Ubuntu) and in its place will be installing LMDE. I mean paralel install ” LMDE and Mint based Ubuntu ” is not posbile. So I left installing LMDE as 3.OS.

  53. Does anyone else have the problem with LM 20 and the current Nvidia drivers?
    -> Error message at start that the driver could not be loaded.
    -> Installation in the driver manager not possible
    -> Driver manager empty after selecting the Nouveau driver and restarting

    What is the cause? Ubuntu, Nvidia?

    Is the problem well known and is the relevant distro team already working on a solution?

    I would appreciate a feedback. 🙂

  54. I too had problem with nvidia driver, my card is “Geforce 9500GT”, with computer, buyed in late 2008, but after install of nvidia drivers, nvidia control program is empty and …no one video player wokrs, nor vlc, nor totem. Backing to from nvidia to nouveau drivers solved problem. Now i reinstalled system to pure ubuntu, but later i will test mint again.

  55. Hi Clem:
    Do you have any information on the relative user shares for the MATE, Cinnamon, and XFCE desktops?
    You might simplify your team’s future workload by dropping the two less popular desktops as you think about the next version of Mint. This would be similar to the way you wisely ceased supporting 32 bit versions. Finally moving to a single desktop based entirely on an improved LMDE might be the best ultimate direction for Mint..
    Best Regards.

  56. I have tried all of the Mint 19 and 20 flavors so far, I am on LMDE 4 right now and actually prefer it as of now although I ran Mint 19.1 then 19.3 for a long time. Im retired with 4 laptops so I tend to try everything I can,great job.

  57. While i agree about idea of Debian edition as primary and maybe only, i disagree with idea, that there would be no MATE… I use MATE when using Mint or Debian and try to do so with all systems.
    Ubuntu MATE is not solution for me, because support is only 3 years and i want 5, so this is why i choose Linux Mint over Ubuntu Mate now.
    I now will try Mint Mate again, but without Nvidia drivers, because they were broken for my card (Geforce 9500 GT)… And sorry, but i am not going to try them in nearest period of time, because i will need stable system for a while.
    For all, who has unsuccess with nvidia or other proprietary drivers, i suggest to try “pure mint”, without them.
    For me – works.

    1. I’m a MATE guy myself, not all the time but for older computers and virtual machines that struggle to run Cinnamon. If you install MATE on LMDE 4, it doesn’t come out as vanilla MATE, it looks and works pretty damn closely to the dedicated MATE spins on LM 19 and LM20. I heartily recommend using LMDE 4 and installing MATE if you prefer it (or need it). It works great and you can always log back in and select Cinnamon and see the great work Clem and his folks are doing with Cinnamon. Just goggle about “tasksel” to find a Debian installer that works well to add MATE on LMDE4. Of course, you could install it with apt as well. Easy, give it a try, it looks and works great.

      And add me to the 1% using LMDE as my primary Mint version. I like the headline releases, but LMDE is super stable, and I encourage Clem and his team to keep developing it. Yes it is a contingency plan, but it works well enough to stand on its own, and some of us prefer it.

  58. Hi Clem:

    How difficult would it be eventually to create a new Mint interface combining the best features of Cinnamon and MATE? Ideally this new interface would have selectivity in what apps get installed.

    Thanks very much for you and your team’s great work!

  59. Great work again. Yes .3 releases are popular and I am on LM 19.3. LM20 looks great btw, nice features. Thanks for all the hard work

  60. I recently switched from Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon to Linux Mint 20 Xfce. Works great on my desktop and laptop computers! The Linux Mint implementation of Xfce is much better than the xubuntu-desktop package that comes with Ubuntu. There was nothing wrong with Linux Mint 19. My main reasons for switching were to change the desktop environment to Xfce and to clean up my old hard drivers with clean installs. I’m not sure if I’ll use Warpinator, because my small SSDs don’t have much storage space. I also like how Linux Mint doesn’t show a bunch of ‘snap’s when I type the df command, compared to Ubuntu. What the heck is a ‘snap’ anyway? Unfortunately, I have one mini desktop computer that only supports the factory Ubuntu image from the manufacturer. Linux Mint doesn’t recognize all of my hardware, especially the wifi adapter. So I’m stuck with Ubuntu and the xubuntu-desktop on that one.

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