LMDE 3 “Cindy” Cinnamon released!

The team is proud to announce the release of LMDE 3 “Cindy” Cinnamon Edition.

LMDE 3 Cindy

LMDE is a Linux Mint project and it stands for “Linux Mint Debian Edition”. Its main goal is for the Linux Mint team to see how viable our distribution would be and how much work would be necessary if Ubuntu was ever to disappear. LMDE aims to be as similar as possible to Linux Mint, but without using Ubuntu. The package base is provided by Debian instead.

There are no point releases in LMDE. Other than bug fixes and security fixes Debian base packages stay the same, but Mint and desktop components are updated continuously. When ready, newly developed features get directly into LMDE, whereas they are staged for inclusion on the next upcoming Linux Mint point release.

Important info:

The release notes provide important information about known issues, as well as explanations, workarounds and solutions.

To read the release notes, please visit:

Release Notes for LMDE 3

System requirements:

  • 1GB RAM (2GB recommended for a comfortable usage).
  • 15GB of disk space (20GB recommended).
  • 1024×768 resolution (on lower resolutions, press ALT to drag windows with the mouse if they don’t fit in the screen).

Notes:

  • The 64-bit ISO can boot with BIOS or UEFI.
  • The 32-bit ISO can only boot with BIOS.
  • The 64-bit ISO is recommended for all modern computers (Almost all computers sold since 2007 are equipped with 64-bit processors).

Upgrade instructions:

Announcements will be made shortly with instructions on how to upgrade from LMDE 2.

If you are running the BETA, perform a system snapshot and use the Update Manager to apply available updates.

Download links:

Here are the download links for the 64-bit ISO:

A 32-bit ISO image is also available at https://www.linuxmint.com/download_all.php.

Integrity and authenticity checks:

Once you have downloaded an image, please verify its integrity and authenticity.

Anyone can produce fake ISO images, it is your responsibility to check you are downloading the official ones.

Enjoy!

We look forward to receiving your feedback. Thank you for using Linux Mint and have a lot of fun with this new release!

75 comments

  1. I have been using the Beta since it was launched and didn’t have (or didn’t note) any bug.

    My favorite DE is XFCE, so I installed the packages xfce4 and xfce4-goodies and that was enough to have it working.

    As always, thank you Clem and the team for a great distro.

    1. As my favorite DE is KDE, I have installed it to LMDE 3 “Cindy” Beta and used it from Aug., 16 to 31, with no problem.

  2. Hi Clem,
    As always packages from Debian Stretch repository will get updates from Debian itself till 2022(including LTS). I wanted to know for how much time your Mint team will push mint specific packages to this edition of Mint (support cycle for LMDE 3). This is 1st time I’m considering LMDE.

    1. You will have no trouble with LMDE – but don’t try to install from Mint or Ubuntu repositories as this is likely to cause dependency problems. If you really need a non-LMDE package, then either Debian or locally compiled from source should be OK.

    2. Hello,

      As this is a backup project for us, we try to only support one LMDE version at a time. We’ll support LMDE 2 until 2019.01.01 to give people time to upgrade. We can’t commit to a particular support deadline for LMDE 3 as we can’t predict the release of LMDE 4.

    1. https://blog.linuxmint.com/ says: The LMDE 2 MATE edition cannot be upgraded (Debian’s version of MATE is only 1.16 and this edition is no longer present in LMDE 3), we recommend users perform data and software backups and upgrade their OS via fresh installations.

      However, MATE version 1.20.3-2 is available through backports (see https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/mate-desktop). Thus, can we follow the Cinnamon upgrade path and then go back to MATE via the package from the Debian repository?

      If LMDE is really not supporting MATE anymore, would it then not be more appropriate for LMDE-MATE users to migrate to Debian + Mate desktop packages than to LMDE-Cinnamon? Would one loose anything relevant? Is there a direct upgrade path to Debian Stretch, or is it necessary to do a fresh install? (All under the premise that we want to stay with a Debian-based system rather than Ubuntu-based general Mint.)

    2. Post-upgrade you can either downgrade to 1.16 (via mintsources -> foreign packages) or point to Stretch backports and upgrade to 1.20.

  3. Hola, antes que nada debo felicitarles he probado varios sistemas operativos y Linux Mint es la mejor. Me estoy descargando LMDE 3 para probarlo pero tengo una duda si es compatible con mi laptop HP 245 G6. Saludos

  4. Hello,
    what are the differences between the LMDE3 and the pure Debian stretch with cinnamon?
    I don’t find any hints about this.
    thanks

    1. Hi Ralf,

      Cinnamon is just the desktop environment. It’s one of the components which make Linux Mint so although it contributes to implementing our vision of what a desktop OS should be, it’s far from being the only component. We also make Mint without Cinnamon, with MATE and Xfce for instance. If you run LMDE you’ll see that from a user point of view, it’s a very similar experience to Linux Mint. If you look at it from a package point of view, it’s not, it’s Debian, not Ubuntu.

      It’s hard to answer or pinpoint each difference because the role of LMDE isn’t to deviate from whatever Debian provides as a finished product. LMDE is Mint, replicated on a Debian package base. If you like Cinnamon there’s no better place than here since it’s our very own project. Not only do we maintain it, but we care about it, we test and develop it primarily on LMDE and Mint, and we design it the same way as we design Mint itself. When we think of how you use your computer and how we can improve that, we think of our DEs, but not only our DEs. We think of all that as a whole, with the DE being one part of it.

      Debian is great but I doubt they care about Cinnamon as much as we do. If you were to run Debian Stretch you wouldn’t be running Cinnamon 3.8 but 3.2.

      Cinnamon 4.0 is also likely to be incompatible with Debian Stretch. Michael Biebl, who maintains Network Manager, made it clear bug reports had to affect Stretch packages for them to be considered. There’s a little typo in NM, trivial to fix, but it won’t happen, because Debian simply doesn’t care if it breaks Cinnamon, as long as it’s not the version they ship (3.2). https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/pull/6993. This doesn’t really matter and I’m sure Debian will react eventually, but it just highlights the fact that when you choose a project, you don’t just get packages and integration, you also get a team of people, and they don’t necessarily have the same priorities as you. Cinnamon, MATE and Xfce are critical to us. Debian cares a lot more about GNOME and policies tend to matter more than user experience. Note that for a package base as wide as Debian’s, I think that’s a really good thing.

      We’re also considering bumping meson in LMDE 3 so that’s another cloud on the horizon in terms of compatibility.

      Other than that it’s hard to say… although Cinnamon 3.2 is a bit older, it is Cinnamon and it will work in Debian just like it does in Mint. It’s probably not as fine tuned, it probably lacks configuration tools (locale, sources, etc..) but you can add these. This is subjective and seen from my own point of view. I don’t think it’s bad, but it’s definitely not Mint.

      To give you a short answer, if someone enjoyed Mint Cinnamon already and moved towards LMDE Cinnamon, although the package base is different, he might spot a few tiny things missing or differing here and there but it wouldn’t be very noticeable. If he was to make the jump and use Debian Stretch Cinnamon instead, he might enjoy it as well, I don’t know, but he would definitely get a significantly different first impression and user experience.

  5. Congratulations on the new release!
    It’s very nice to see a very good distro tha’t’s not based on Ubuntu.
    This is something that I can recommend to my friends, thanks!

  6. Good job Sir Clem and all of you in team Mint for this. Gonna check out the RAM usage and if it pans out well then on it goes to this spare old Thinkpad T60.

    Now… if anyone else with the technical aptitude are up for it, do look into Semplice Linux’ vera desktop (gtk+3 based but Openbox-like) please as an alt respin to the now defunct LMDE XFCE?

    vera looks like it can blend well with the Mint look and probably has better performance margin than XFCE.

    https://distrowatch.com/images/cgfjoewdlbc/semplice.png

    1. To have LMDE3+XFCE, you just need to install xfce4 package, and probably you will want to enable xfce4-goodies package too.

  7. Thanks for LMDE3 !!!. I have a question. How to remove Cinnamon completely and install something better – eg MATE – clean? What packages to remove to remove all Cinnamon? The MATE version was my favorite – but I want to use LMDE – so I need to fix it;)

  8. I’ve never used MATE, but when Ubuntu went all weird on the desktop I decided to dump them.

    Luckily 😉 Mint + Cinnamon started at this point – so I tried it for a while, even though there’s a lot of Ubuntu in it.

    So when LMDE1 came along with a nice Cinnamon interface and any Ubuntu updates filtered through the experienced Debian team, I immediately adopted it.
    I don’t want Mate, KDE, Ubuntu but LMDE3 gives almost the same experience as Debian (just a slightly more polished GUI). You could add a XFCE DE – but why not just load Debian XFCE?

    1. You can install the packages xfce4 and xfce4-goodies. Then, from the login window, choose XFCE and that’s all… well, almost all… you launch ugly XFCE… then you can choose Mint-Y theme and now you have a beautiful LMDE3 + XFCE.

  9. Thank you very much. Congratulations for this release. I was waiting to try LMDE for a while now. I hope you guys eventually keep investing more on this distribution because it’s the best of both worlds.

  10. Thank you for making this and also congratulations. Ubuntu 18.04, and as a result, Mint 19, does not work properly with nvidia-prime after the changes that was made by the Ubuntu developer. He is busy rectifying it, but it is already taking months and goodness knows how long before it will work as intended in Ubuntu and Linux Mint. (The status can be followed on Launchpad where the bugs has been filed against nvidia-prime.) Debian is stable, but a bit lacking after coming from Mint and Ubuntu. LMDE perfectly fills that gap. The feature I probably love most, is that I can right click on a program like Steam, and launch it with the Nvidia GPU. No need to launch it via the terminal. There is also a neat Bumblebee applet by pdcurtis to perfectly accompany this Cinnamon feature. LMDE is the best of both worlds. The stability of Debian and the user-friendliness of Mint and Cinnamon. I am a convert now and doubt I will ever go back to Ubuntu-based Mint. There is just one thing missing…the Aqua theme for Mint-Y 😉

    1. No, it’s based on Debian Stretch. It will get continuous backports of Cinnamon, Xapps and Mint tools though.

  11. @Clem, one very important thing I’ve been seeing for years and I’d like to know if it’ll be fixed in LMDE3 or if it is something upstream and out of your hands:

    It’s about copying or moving files, the operation being interrupted, and the incomplete destination file (a leftover) not being removed and being kept at the destiny like if there were no errors. If the destination file is incomplete, it should be deleted, as this is leading to data corruption! I had already have corrupted backups that are unusable because of this issue, for several times!
    First I thought this was only happening on network operations, but now I’m realizing it happens in any kind of local or network copy or move operation.

    I wrote you an email about this almost 4 years ago, and I had already posted this issue on the Mint forums 2 years prior to sending you the email, making 6 years that I’ve been seeing this issue happening. No answer from you nor from the forums, and I’ve just checked that the post I’ve made 6 years ago has been deleted.

    Would you please care to comment about this, Clem? (or anyone!)

    Is this a regular behavior after all, or something upstream out of your hands?

    Thank you so much, Clem. Respect and thanks for LMDE3!

    1. If you interrupt file operations, then you are going to get possibly incomplete files in two places, depending on whether your source/targets belong to the same file system.
      Moves are virtually instant if the source/target is in the same file system.

      You could write a script to do this recovery for you by logging the start of an attempted copy/move and also logging its completion (or not).
      Or you could just test that backups are usable – there’s usually an option for this.

    2. Bruno, look into GRsync, which is a very nice GUI for Rsync.

      Over the years I’ve learned the hard way that moving files across devices cannot be trusted, so I use Grsync for anything that matters. [Note, ‘device’ is can mean a computer, but it also means storage devices, so ‘across devices’ also means across storage devices on one computer. Like two HDD, or from HDD to USB stick.]

      Extra Note – be aware that the ‘always checksum’ toggle in GRsync/Rsync only refers to the checksum process used during the transfer. It does not make a final checksum test after the Write process. This means it cannot detect device issues like bad sectors. Any critical backups should be fully checkum verified by making a full checksum list of the backup Source before transfer, then checking that list at the Destination when finished.

    3. Hi Bruno,

      I’d say it’s upstream from us. Not sure whether it’s down with gvfs/cp or the filesystem itself.

  12. Excellent, excellent work. I’ve been very lucky with my timing as it so happens I’m migrating from OSX 10.10. LMDE3 is an incredibly polished distribution, built on top of my Debian of choice. It feels like Christmas.

  13. Great work! I do not use your own utilities. The desktop is absolutely clean. I only use the terminal. It’s interesting to test your magnificent efforts! You have succeeded!

  14. Hi Clem.
    What do you think about changing the Debian Stretch repositories to Debian Testing (buster)?
    Will it cause problems after upgrading?
    Thanks for all.

    1. Hi,

      Yes, that would definitely cause issues long term. Unless you source Xapps/Cinnamon builds from a Buster compatible repository or compile your own.

  15. Great work! Thanks a lot!! I’m using LMDE2 during years, with MATE. So, i’m disappointed when i discovered LMDE3 with just Cinnamon. I think that is a mistake, because we need to promote this fabulous distribution. If LMDE3 was delivered with Xfce, its would be great! I’ll install Xfce for sure into LMDE3.

    1. Hi,

      There’s an alternative installer called Calamares in the application Menu. It provides better partitioning.

  16. How does LMDE compares to Linux Mint 19.0 performance wise?
    What about resources, which consumes more?

    Do you check those parameters for new releases?

  17. Hello,

    Just a suggestion to to have an idea of resources consumption and reactivity:
    – create some virtual machines in VirtualBox (Linux Mint 19, LMDE 2 Mate, LMDE 3 Cinnamon,……):
    – in each:
    – Mesure the time to boot the machine from Grub to the desktop completely charged.
    – Launch System Monitor to have a view of memory and cpu consumption.
    – Launch Firefox and mesure the time to launch it and take a look at System Monitor.
    – Do the same, lauching LibreOffice, and some other pieces of software.

    – Compare the results from the virtual machines

  18. Hi,
    great work! Especially full-disk-encryption (including /boot) for my notebook on the way… I I always change /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme from Adwaita -> DMZ-White so you get DMZ–White cursor by default at the login-screen same as in Tara… I’ m also running Debian Buster – for fun – if adding LMDE3 “Mint-repo” to sources.list will this work or totally mess- up?
    Keep it up, I like both Mint branches!

  19. Hello there LMDE team,

    I have just got a simple question: Will LMDE 3 be upgraded -> to Debian 10 (Buster) package base once Debian Buster gets released or is it going to be LMDE 4 -> Debian 10 as only viable option ?_?

    Thank you for your answer and thanks for making this release happened and still happening as I found Ubuntu + its package base very bloated and unlikeable to me . . .

  20. Hi all, thanks for the good work! All seems ok except my usb wifi doesn’t connect. Hangs for about 30 seconds and then displays “The network connection has been disconnected”. PC is HP Pro6300 sff, usb wifi adaptor is TP-Link TL-WN722N (atheros chip). All works ok with LM17.3 & 18.3 on the same hardware. Any ideas???

  21. My LMDE 3 after i install some application become slow boot when loading, it take about 2 minutes when loading, please help me to solve the slow boot..,
    Thanks..,

    1. You are now in the land of Systemd.
      The command “systemd-analyze blame” will tell you how long it took to initiate various system services.
      Of course this may not be any help at all. 😉

  22. Just did the LMDE2 > LMDE3 upgrade using the community tutorial. Everything went fine until I got to the D8 section “Remove Foreign Packages” ; there are quite a few packages listed, several of which are critical system packages like mountall and gcc. I was able to remove packages singularly, ie. mdm-* which I knew were not needed but I do not know how to tell the system these other packages are okay. It really would have been better if the tutorial stuck with the command line, ie. use dpkg(1) or whatever is the backend used for steps D7 and D8 so users would at least know where to start looking in case of hiccups.

  23. Hello, I’m using the Opera browser and there are problems with playing video in the player. I installed the Flashplayer-chromium package and the video began to work, but the player’s control is not working and the appearance of the player itself is not the same as in Windows 10 or Linux Mint 19. I can assume that in Linux Mint 19 for this is the package: chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra. But in LDME 3 there is no such package. Is there an alternative package for LMDE 3 and how can I solve the problem? Thank you.

    1. Open Opera and type opera://about/ or set Opera to open with that on startup (open a specific page).
      Not the Chrome version of your Opera browser under browser identification below the version number. Update your Opera browser to the latest version (at this time this would be 55.0.2994.56) – Go to this page: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/c/chromium-browser/ and download the chromium-codecs-ffmpeg_68.0.3440.106-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_amd64.deb file, matching your Opera browser chrome version (Chrome/68.0.3440.106). Click File System in Nemo and navigate to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/opera. Here you right-click and choose Open as Root, type your password to open the Opera folder as root. Now copy chromium-codecs-ffmpeg_68.0.3440.106-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_amd64.deb to this folder and extract the libffmpeg.so file from the deb file and copy and replace the libffmpeg.so that is already located in the Opera folder. Now go to this page to test if your H.264/mp4 video plays. It should. You may have to repeat this process after updating Opera to a newer version. Enjoy LMDE 3. I just installed my LMDE 3 today. I have found one bug. There is sound distortion in form of a crackling sound in VLC when playing a video file encoded in HEVC x265. This does not happen when playing the video in Media Player. Also this does not happen in VLC when playing .mkv files, or sound files like .flac or .mp3 files. Did anyone else experience bug?

      Otherwise I am very pleased with this upgrade. Have been using LMDE since day one of the LMDE 2 release almost 3 1/2 years ago.

      Thanks to all developers and the Mint Team!

  24. What about renaming the release numbers of Mint Releases ?

    LMDE 3 should have been renamed LMDE 9 (because based on Debian 9)
    LMDE 4 should be renamed LMDE 10 (because based on Debian 10)

    Same for Mint
    Hopefully, Mint 20 will be based on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
    But next Mint release should be named Mint 22, based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS.

    It would be much more convenient to know the base Mint is based on.
    just my 2 cts…

  25. LMDE is great… Then old troubles come to place.
    These result from old mainframe unix mind-sets:
    – Dependencies locked by a monolithic structure.

    The exemplary case in question, is an install of WINE…
    Not so much an old version of WINE (1.8.7 while now 3.02) but several clashes.
    Fact is 30 years have passed by, Unicode solved the multi-fonts problem…
    … No ‘UniLibs’ were applied to the dependencies problem.

    And yet, it was solved on DOS, more that 30 years ago, by users.
    M$oft even adapted some of those solutions. Not linux. Why?
    … Errors were ‘standard’. Only open-paths were accepted.

    Yet, again, we do have RAM enough to use Unicode.
    And we do have disks big enough to use multiple dependencies (apart).
    … A new structure is needed. Even better, new methodologies.

    Maybe then, things may be kept simple, without a multi-megabye bloat
    suffered by Windows after ‘standards’ allow a “let-it-go” into confident “solve-it-later”.
    … linux suffers the same. Thus the need to clean methodologies, more than cleaning ‘solutions’.

    Then, WINE installs (just an example) will not depend of a particular version. Hope so!

  26. Thanks for sharing such type of nice and valuable information with us about LMDE 3 and I hope that you will also share more new information relevant to this post. This post is helpful to most of the users to gain the knowledge.

  27. Hello Clem,
    Why not just get rid of Ubuntu and focus on LDME only, if all of you really worry about what will happen after Ubuntu?

  28. Just successfully upgraded from LMDE 2 to LMDE 3. I noticed savscand runs automatically at startup.
    Will I be less secure if I disable savscand?

  29. Hello,
    Just a precision about: “The LMDE 2 MATE edition cannot be upgraded (Debian’s version of MATE is only 1.16 and this edition is no longer present in LMDE 3)”.
    Effectively Stretch is using MATE 1.16 but 1.20 in Stretch-backports, would it be possible to have a way to migrate LMDE2 MATE to LMDE 3 CINNAMON + MATE?

    Thanks in advance for the answer.

  30. I installed LMDE3 on Lenovo Thinkpad X230i with UEFI mode but system failed to boot. I had to make reinstallation under Legacy mode.

    Why does it come?

    Thanks for any information in advance.

  31. Many thanks Clem and the Company – I installed LMDE3 on my Acer 7112wsmi laptop. It’s quite an old and slow machine but LMDE3 installed OK. I discovered that the chaining symbol for ‘apt-getting’ all my favourite apps is the semicolon ‘;’ which I presume is one of the Debian differences. I put in a swap partition after installation and the system appears to have picked that up. I shall probably stick with LM18.3 with my other boxes for a while.

  32. So, am I to understand that LMDE will NOT have a MATE version download through the Linux Mint site?
    Please do not make the answer to complicated as for I’m not a Linux Pro.
    Thank you.

  33. Thanks Clem and Team – I installed LMDE3 – 32bit on my Zoostorm Freedom Atom N270 notebook. It’s a very slow machine anyway, but I’m pleased with the results. The ALT+mouse to move the dialog boxes was useful to show the lower buttons. I chain command ‘;’ to install my favorite progs. I have ACPI ERROR signals show up when i startup. Also, as startup progresses, I have to keep pressing the ON button to move on the progress. This repeats when I switch on after installation so it’s something for me to investigate.

  34. I am using Linux Mint for last 7-8 years (different versions) and in this time my girlfriend, parents, friends changed also to LM and are happy with it. After years with LMDE2 I tried the most current Linux distributions and environments. After Antergos, Manjaro and MX stayed on Debian, then tried LM19 xfce after release and now changed to the LMDE3.

    LMDE3 is a dream!! It looks beatiful and feels beautiful! Really, for me its the best distribution system that I have been ever used!

    Thank you soo much LM Team for your great work in all the last years!
    Its really big amount of work and I think it was a right decision to reduce the amount of envoronments. What I don’t understand, why do you still stay on the main LM version, why you don’t change to LMDE only? Its faster, more stable, more open, it would reduce your work amount.. Because you work on both distributions with cinnamon at the moment. Were it not easier for you to reduce to LMDE in cinnamon, mate and xfce only?

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