Linux Mint 18.3 “Sylvia” MATE – BETA Release

This is the BETA release for Linux Mint 18.3 “Sylvia” MATE Edition.

Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia MATE Edition

Linux Mint 18.3 is a long term support release which will be supported until 2021. It comes with updated software and brings refinements and many new features to make your desktop even more comfortable to use.

New features:

This new version of Linux Mint contains many improvements.

For an overview of the new features please visit:

What’s new in Linux Mint 18.3 MATE“.

Important info:

The release notes provide important information about known issues, as well as explanations, workarounds and solutions.

To read the release notes, please visit:

Release Notes for Linux Mint 18.3 MATE

System requirements:

  • 1GB RAM (2GB recommended for a comfortable usage).
  • 15GB of disk space (20GB recommended).
  • 1024×768 resolution (on lower resolutions, press ALT to drag windows with the mouse if they don’t fit in the screen).

Notes:

  • The 64-bit ISO can boot with BIOS or UEFI.
  • The 32-bit ISO can only boot with BIOS.
  • The 64-bit ISO is recommended for all modern computers (Almost all computers sold since 2007 are equipped with 64-bit processors).

Upgrade instructions:

  • This BETA release might contain critical bugs, please only use it for testing purposes and to help the Linux Mint team fix issues prior to the stable release.
  • It will be possible to upgrade from this BETA to the stable release.
  • It will also be possible to upgrade from Linux Mint 18.2. Upgrade instructions will be published after the stable release of Linux Mint 18.3.

Bug reports:

  • Please report bugs below in the comment section of this blog.
  • When reporting bugs, please be as accurate as possible and include any information that might help developers reproduce the issue or understand the cause of the issue:
    • Bugs we can reproduce, or which cause we understand are usually fixed very easily.
    • It is important to mention whether a bug happens “always”, or “sometimes”, and what triggers it.
    • If a bug happens but didn’t happen before, or doesn’t happen in another distribution, or doesn’t happen in a different environment, please mention it and try to pinpoint the differences at play.
    • If we can’t reproduce a particular bug and we don’t understand its cause, it’s unlikely we’ll be able to fix it.
  • Please visit https://github.com/linuxmint/Roadmap to follow the progress of the development team between the BETA and the stable release.

Download links:

Here are the download links for the 64-bit ISO:

A 32-bit ISO image is also available at https://www.linuxmint.com/download_all.php.

Integrity and authenticity checks:

Once you have downloaded an image, please verify its integrity and authenticity.

Anyone can produce fake ISO images, it is your responsibility to check you are downloading the official ones.

Enjoy!

We look forward to receiving your feedback. Many thanks in advance for testing the BETA!

106 comments

  1. Good day. I have a problem. Mint mate 18.3 64 bit. Unable to add software-sources. My language – russian, ru_RU.UTF8
    $ sudo software-sources
    Traceback (most recent call last):

    encoded = text.encode(‘utf-8’)[:BUTTON_LABEL_MAX_LENGTH] + “..”
    UnicodeDecodeError: ‘ascii’ codec can’t decode byte 0xd0 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)

  2. 18.3-mate-64bit-beta
    On the very first start of synaptic package manager the quick-filter field + the label placed above are not displayed. Successive starts (with/without reboot) show both. Creating an additional administrative user running synaptic does show filter-field and label too on first run.

    Environment: running in vm on CentOS7-host – i7, no hw-gpu-acceleration, spice+qxl+virtio, bios-mode-setup, 4GB memory, 2*logical cpu
    mint-setup: no additional codecs or drivers, language selection us-english, keyboard german, time-zone: de/Berlin, manual partitioning: bios-part (50 mb), gpt-btrfs 8GB /, ext4 2 GB /home, swap 2GB (partitioning is irrelevant-as has been indentical with a default-install)

    1. apt-xapian-index package is responsible for creating the data which is used by that quick search feature. It runs in the background and needs some time to complete its task.

    2. Yes–I noticed the same. However my Synaptic search window would not appear no
      matter how many times I reopened SPM. It did appear after I actually used SPM to install a package, closed it out and then reopened. Then it went through the rebuilding of the database and I have had no further issues.

  3. 18.3-mate-64bit-beta
    In order to have most the best possible effect from using timeshift (ok, might just be my personal preference) there should probably be a second “default”-partitioning setup offering btrfs instead of ext4.

    Otherwise unexperienced user either would have to do a manual partitioning during the setup or would have to convert the existing ext4-root-partition from a live-mit using btrfs-convert + recreating the grub-infrastructure manually (which would be likely too much) – in order to have access to the btrfs-branching/snapshot-feature.

    As the root-filesystem cannot be converted while using it, at least some converting-support – without the manual fiddling with grub and fstab – from a live-mint would be nice.

    And while the result/outcome of a restore using the rsync-version will be the same – the btrfs-variant takes close to zero time to create a snapshot or reset to a previous one (which will make it really attractive for users – and leaves no excuses when not being used).

    The possibility to revert an even allmost broken systems back to a working snaphshot (at least using a live-mint) will be a great enhancement for people who

    a) want to install critical updates due to issues
    b) want to test some software (not knowing whether it would really satisfy their needs) and thus being able to revert to a clean state.
    c) just like to play around and install each ppa which can’t hide away fast enough (which can regulary be observer in #linuxmint-help)

    Nice toy – thx for integrating

  4. I hope that Mozilla irons out some of the layout of Firefox 57 in the next couple weeks, it wasn’t all that in line with other browsers to start with and they just tossed things wherever they liked it seems. Unlike Mint and more like Windows I’m going to have to figure out how to make it work more like the 56.0.x that had nice drop down windows where i wanted them…a step backwards. Using it with Windows 7 is more of a challenge in 57 than 56. I’m worried that will be the case in Mint as well.

    1. In Firefox 57, they dropped Complete Themes and some (lots of them) plug-ins. It is definitely step back. On my current Linux 18.2 Mate Sonya I’m back to Firefox 56. Looks like forever!

  5. Hi all, a brief bug report:

    I just installed 18.3 MATE Edition. Wifi is gone in Network-Manager. Kinda weird. (I don’t get a wireless connection at all, currently.)

    I had wifi and used it during the install (in the LiveCD session.)

    Here is my wireless card: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)

    If you need any more info or would like me to try something, let me know.

    1. Whoops, turns out I somehow booted a kernel without kernel modules loading, or something like that.

      To fix this situation, I reinstalled the latest kernel (4.13.0-16-generic) and now the wifi is back.

      Is this kernel with no modules situation a bug?: When I installed Mint over a partition I didn’t wipe, there were boot-able kernels available from my GRUB menu, but these kernels have no modules. Perhaps the kernels should have been deleted altogether, or their modules should have been preserved. (The kernel modules get deleted during the Linux Mint install process, when it wipes the previous install’s “system files,” if I recall correctly… That’s more-or-less supposed to happen. It was still a bit of a confusing experience, booting without wifi. Could be better IMO.)

  6. My initial installation is under VirtualBox on the HP Microserver N54L running Mint-64 18.2. I had no trouble at all.
    One question for the future, will this change the Ubuntu base employed for Device Drivers? I have a AMD RX Vega card waiting to go into my main machine with manufacturer supplied drivers that will only run under the latest Ubuntu driver specification.

  7. Small bug in Software Manager. Maximize button does nothing. Normally, of course, expands the app to full screen. (Crazy how fast the search function, by the way, nice work.)

    1. Hi,

      I can’t reproduce this issue. Can you run mintinstall from a terminal and see if you can catch any error output while it refuses to maximize? Also, are you using the default window manager (marco) or did you switch to another one?

    2. I observe the same behavior on two laptops – one BIOS and the other UEFI – both of which till now have been completely reliable running Linux. Also observe a similar problem with Cinnamon (both laptops), only there clicking the Maximize button makes it disappear. (Haven’t filed a separate bug report with them, as I figure you folks have enough tickets to track.) And, confirming, no, haven’t switched window managers.

      As requested, opened mintinstall from Terminal. While opening, get three errors. Error resolving ‘flathub.org,’ Errno socket error, and ‘_gtk_widget_get_parent (child) == NULL’ failed. SM then opens. No further errors when clicking Maximize, either from button on the upper right or drop down on upper left. Incidentally, Cinnamon doesn’t have the drop down, but maybe that’s just a design decision.

      If you wish more detailed information, please feel free to contact me by email.

  8. Hallo Linux Mint Team
    Leider kann ich nur auf deutsch posten.
    Ich liebe das neue Y-Theme.Leider ist es aber so das ich die Farben (grau unterlegt) im Kontexmenü für viel zu wenig kontrastreich empfinde.Auf meinem Laptop geht es gerade noch so…
    Bitte,kann man das noch etwas anpassen.Perfekt wäre es wenn die Menüpunkte die man anklickt die selbe
    Farbe (grün) wie die schönen neuen Icons (Ordner in Caya).
    Auch hätte ich mir gewünscht,das beim Theme Y-Darker das Kontexmenü ebenfalls dunkel wäre…)
    Danke für all die tolle Arbeit an Linux Mint.

    Liebe Grüße,
    Andre

    1. Hi Andre,

      Linux Mint 18.3 was one of our biggest releases in terms of new features. Linux Mint 19 will be quite different as we’ll focus on look and feel, design considerations and a new package base. Among other things we’ll switch to Mint-Y as the default theme and it will receive improvements.

      We’ll take your feedback into consideration then (the grey selection lacking contrast on the white background of the menus).

  9. Looking promising and I am hoping to manage without Clonezilla.
    With Brasero no longer working installed Xfburn in Sonya in order to burn Heanet download to DVD.
    Used BrucesWay to install Sylvia MATE64 Beta in 12GiB ext4 partition on a ’15GB’ USBkey from which I am already posting. Menu/All Applications/Accessories/USB Image Writer still creates a Live USBkey of Sylvia.
    I shall now install my usual suite and icons before exploring the new capabilities.

  10. Hallo nochmal,
    Habe mich gefragt,auch schon im Forum linuxmintusers.de, ob in der neuen
    Aktualisierungssoftware Ebene 5 wirlich romeo ist.
    Auch im Forum konnte diese Frage nicht eindeutig geklärt werden.
    Also ist Ebene 5 romeo ???

    Andre

    1. No, Romeo is a staging area. We use Romeo rarely.. usually when we want to publish an update but we’re not sure it will be stable, so that we can get feedback from users without affecting everybody.

      Level 5 is radically different. We use level 5 to mark an update as dangerous and that affects everybody by default. This is also very rare though. No updates are or were marked as such. Usually when we find a dangerous update we just fix it. This level 5 is used in niche case in the eventuality where we would want to stop an update from spreading and we didn’t have a fix for it just yet.

      I hope that makes sense. Long story short, both Romeo and Level 5 empower us to act in different ways, but we very rarely need them. They’re there in case we do.

  11. Did a fresh install in my trial partitions yesterday. Haven’t been able to get it to malfunction yet! 😉

    Any possibility of a newer version of Wine for the MINT repository? I don’t feel competent to make an install from source..

    1. thanks for the head’s up – there’s even an instruction for Mint 18.x that seems to resolve past issues 😉
      BUT there now seems to be an installer for Wine Stable in SOFTWARE MANAGER so, presumably, I wouldn’t have had to go through that minor hassle!

  12. Applications installed via Software Manager (SM) are a subset of all installed apps in the system. The SM menu item “Show installed applications” will only show the subset. A search for something like python shows many modules, sorted by name. Only a few are installed, and of course you have to scan the whole list to see which are installed. The previous version of SM had options to show only the installed apps or only the not installed apps or both. Sorting the installed apps to the top of the list would be an acceptable alternative.

    It would also be nice to be able to set the time interval for which the password is remembered.

  13. OK, running a live session under VirtualBox with two monitors defined. Playing with the login window settings, just to see what happens. Under “Optional pictures > Other monitors”, selected a different image than the background. Logoff. The second monitor shows the optional picture. The main monitor shows half of each picture. I don’t know if this is what is expected, or if it would do the same from an installed system, but it does look kind of funny.

    1. In addition, if the cursor is moved to the second screen, each monitor shows a complete picture. Move the cursor back to the main monitor, funny stuff again.

  14. Hello. I spent a lot of time setting my Mate the way i like it. If i update will this mess up my settings/Interface in any way?

    1. I’d like to say “no, it won’t mess up your data/settings”, but to be honest it doesn’t really matter since you wouldn’t update without making backups first. Right?

      In theory, and putting bugs/regressions aside, your data/settings are not impacted by software updates.

  15. Hey ,Linux Mint Team
    Vielen Dank das sie meine Anregung zum Y-Theme positiv aufgenommen haben
    und für die Erklärung über die Ebene 5.
    Freue mich schon sehr auf version 19 und bin sehr gespannt.
    Frohes und erfolgreiches Schaffen weiterhin.
    Ich sage mal einfach Danke.
    Toll das es es Euch gibt.

    Andre

  16. Hello,
    An issue with Mint 18.3 Mate (Beta): I am having trouble connecting to certain websites…Some websites don’t load at all(such as quora) while some keep loading forever or don’t work well(such as bleepingcomputer and launchpad). This issue also exists in Mint 18.0, 18.1, 18.2(at least the xfce editions).
    I have also created a bug in launchpad(https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1730043) but this seems to be a better place to report this as it affects the latest release…
    My apologies if I shouldn’t have brought this up here too…
    Proud to be a Mint user! All of you are doing a wonderful job!

  17. When selecting Categories in the Software Manager, the selections are not sorted in alphabetical order making it very difficult to find something. This should be fixed.

    1. If we were to list all packages, and sort them alphabetically… categories would have thousands of packages. There’s a tool for that, it’s Synaptic.

      The Software Manager isn’t a package manager, dedicated to browse the entire repository. It’s a place to discover popular apps, so we only list the popular ones, and they’re sorted by popularity.

    2. Well–if you know the name of the app just start typing in the search box.
      Even after selecting a category

  18. An annoying issue:

    Some windows open up HUGE and not able to drag it to make it smaller, for instance, the ‘Software Manager’
    opens up touching the top and bottom of the monitor display area and more than half the width of the screen.

    photo: http://tinypic.com/r/wclqn4/9

    Display settings are 1360 x 768 – 60Hz on a 32″ Element led TV ( optimal for viewing computer input ),

    I am using a ASUS MoBo M5A78L-M USB3, NVIDIA GeForce GTX560Ti, 4.2 GHz AMD FX-4350, 8Gb RAM

    The only other issue is the installation suddenly shutdown when first installing. Tried again and the install was flawless. I made no changes to do this.

  19. Hi again,

    There is a bug in mintupdate. Searching for Base (Ubuntu repo) mirrors can cause hanging and crashes.

    Steps to Reproduce:

    – click shield icon (mintupdate) in taskbar.
    – click Edit -> Software Sources; Enter password when prompted.
    – click button next to “Base (xenial)”… to scan for fast mirrors of the base Ubuntu repos.
    – wait for a bit, it will crash. (some mirrors will fail to connect, some will return fast speeds… app will hang/freeze a bit, then crash.)

    Errors + Backtrace:

    Error ‘(28, ‘Connection timed out after 5000 milliseconds’)’ on url http://dist1.800hosting.com/ubuntu
    Error ‘(7, ‘Failed to connect to http://ftp.unina.it port 80: Connection timed out’)’ on url http://ftp.unina.it/pub/linux/distributions/ubuntu
    Error ‘(6, ‘Could not resolve host: mirror.evolvedservers.com’)’ on url http://mirror.evolvedservers.com/ubuntu-archive
    Error ‘(7, ‘Failed to connect to mirror.htnshost.com port 80: Connection refused’)’ on url http://mirror.htnshost.com/ubuntu
    Error ‘(7, ‘Failed to connect to mirror.picosecond.org port 80: Connection refused’)’ on url http://mirror.picosecond.org/ubuntu
    Error ‘(28, ‘Connection timed out after 5000 milliseconds’)’ on url http://mirror.symnds.com/ubuntu
    Error ‘(28, ‘Connection timed out after 5000 milliseconds’)’ on url http://mirrors.acm.jhu.edu/ubuntu
    Error ‘(28, ‘Connection timed out after 5000 milliseconds’)’ on url http://mirrors.ccs.neu.edu/ubuntu
    *** Error in `/usr/bin/python2′: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0000000002541b00 ***
    ======= Backtrace: =========
    [[I have the backtrace, but spam/abuse filters won’t let me post it. Can I email the backtrace to you?]]

  20. Linux Mint 18.3 “Sylvia” – MATE BETA (64-bit)
    1.Not working Games from Flatpak
    2.Administration software – not resize window

  21. Clem….Great job, thanks for running this project!!!
    As I was asked to update a Mint 17.3 Mate box, will I be able to directly update to 18.3 once it’s released?
    (after bringing the 17.3 updates down first) ?
    Thanks….

  22. There seems to be an issue with the layout of the pop-up calendar, namely it seems to be wider than usual which makes it appear slightly out of place and additionally it stretches the world map for the locations dialogue far too wide. Display resolution is 1920 by 1080.

    This seems to be new as it didn’t look like this on a previous Mint MATE installation on the same hardware.

  23. mint-18-3-mate-64bit-beta-software-manager.txt, orcus (orcus-de)

    Using the minimum size of 1024×768 pixel and the desktop panel default-setup:

    ==============================================================================
    1) SM (Software Manager) does not honor the maximize-event (due to limited vertical size).

    Enabling auto-hide for the panel gives enough vertical space: SM makes use of the autosize event.

    Possible workaround:
    Moving label2 “Featured Application” to the toolbar-panel shrinks the layout of SM just enough
    to enable maximize independent of the panel-state (tested with panel icon-size is increased
    to 32 instead the default 24 pixel).

    required modifications:

    /usr/share/linuxmint/mintinstall/mintinstall.glade

    label2 has to be moved to a new containing parent (“toolbar”) within the
    glade-file and inserted past “buttonbox1”, the position-property of the
    following GtkBox “box10” has to be updated from “1” to “2”

    /usr/lib/linuxmint/mintinstall/mintinstall.py

    __init()
    adding a self class-member for label2 – referencing the glade-object

    all source-code parts where self.back_button.setsensitivity is used
    inverting the according bool-value
    __init(),
    go_back_action()
    show_category()
    show_search_results()
    show_package()

    A “fixed” version would look like this -> https://imgur.com/a/SdwZm (source could be delivered).

    Advantages: no modification of – or additional – translations are needed; works as expacted
    switching the default language from english to german out of the box.

    Priority: low – guy is nearly fully visible on the minmal proposed resolution; SM can be
    fully navigated and closed (only the lower part is not visible to the user leaving the
    impression of potential missing/inaccessible controls); user bound to the minimum resolution
    will potentially assume the SM just can’t be maximized.

    ==============================================================================
    2) Categories with subsections
    Having categories with subsections like “Audio and Video” (2 paned view – having the
    subselection on the left): The current subsection is added as a header above the
    list-entries.
    The available/used categories and the given subsections are using generally
    only 1 common header (no further grouping of the subsection – which would make
    the according header usefull for the user) => the according information could be
    displayed in the (moved) label2-control in the toolbar as described in 1) above

    This would:
    a) free room in the list for another row of entries
    b) wont scroll out of view when scrolling through the list

    Disatvantages:
    would require additional/modified code for using label2 instead the original control;
    would require additional code to restore the original “Featured Application” text
    when returning to the home-view.

    Priotity: low – the current functionality works without issues

    ==============================================================================
    3) The “back_button” is working like a home-functionality
    Example:
    a) either selecting a categorie or using the search-feature diplays a follow-up page
    using a list of according entries.
    b) Using the “Installed software”-entry from the burger-menu replaces the current
    displayed entries.
    c) Selecting the “back_button” does not return to the previous view but to the home-section
    of the Software Manager.

    Returning from a current filter-context to the previous selection would require some sort
    of call-stack – which will in turn require additional context-data like a category or the
    used search-expression – which would be over-engineered for the purpose.

    To be consistent with the de-facto usage: icon / tooltips and general description should
    reflect the “home”-functionality.

    Disadvantages – will – besides the simple replacement of the icon – require adjustment of
    translations (probably up to user-documentation)

    Priority: low – most user will not even notice the behaviour

    ==============================================================================
    4) using TAB, SHIFT-TAB requires 2 consecutive uses of it to skip to next or previous
    element (list-views/graphical buttons) on main-page and follow-up pages – only exception
    seems to be the subsection-selection of categories and edit-fields which accept a
    single press of TAB, SHIFT-TAB for navigation

    I did not further investigate the reason for, but seems to be related to controls (buttons,
    listentries) containing icons.

    Using the arrow-keys to navigate list-view items requires only 1 press as expected (but is
    not able to skip to next control-container/element

    Priority: medium/high – as this is a obvious flaw for the user – and makes navigating using
    TAB, SHIFT-TAB a bit annyoing.

    *** Depending on the recycling of common classes/functionality or the usage of framework-
    classes for mint this could affect multiple applications.

    1. Hi,

      Thanks for the detailed feedback. If everything we get was as precise/detailed as this we’d have a lot more bugs fixed.

      We’ll have a look at the maximizing/size issue.

      Can you take the other issues to github? Please make sure to separate them (one issue for each problem), and if you know how to use Git (you look like you’re ok with glade/python already), PRs are always welcome.

    2. good morning.
      I think we all can use some help.
      What info do you need, and where should we post bug reports?
      comments in these blogs does not seem to be the correct place, but Where?
      thanks

  24. I downloaded the 183 beta ISO, I have it running on my computer, I call it My Video Editing Beast, and so far, and do not no think this OS related, but I am on Twitter and I cannot click on links, so I think it either our internet or twitter’s servers that acting up. Otherwise it has worked fine for last 2 days. Thanks go out to the Linux Mint team for doing such a good Job

  25. Just went through the pkglist and unfortunately it seems 18.1 was the last version to offer 32bit support on the 64bit ISO. I know many of the packages could be downloaded but having those ready out of the box was the reason I used Mint for over 2 years. From a point of view it’s understandable since most software have a native 64bit build, but there are also many 32bit programs that require these libraries, especially games.

    I am of course not in a position to demand anything here, but such a change will force me to move away from Mint. The best feedback I can give to the Mint team is to reinstate these packages in the main ISO. From my point of view, removing them in 18.2 did more harm than good.

    1. Hi Jonathan,

      gst-install uses sessioninstaller to install codecs (triggered when a player requires a codec which isn’t installed). sessioninstaller looks at the architectures of libgstreamer which are installed. If both i386 and amd64 are installed, it recommends codecs for both arch resulting in an installation error.

      Most people install the codecs via the installer, the menu or the welcome screen, and thus do not require gst-install at all… but most people don’t use the 32 bit packages in 64 bit anyway… we just can’t please everybody here.

      Now with that said, adding these packages is easy: apt install ia32-libs gstreamer0.10-x:i386 libsasl2-modules:i386 libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0:i386.

  26. MATE Ed. 18.3 report: The installer came to a halt while configuring “apt” The live system also halted. Had to cut power to shut down.

  27. There is still a problem with the panel which started with Mint Mate 18.2. I have a favorite program (yes I know it’s old) but it is checkgmail. It signals you when you have mail. When it loads in 18.1 the icon in the panel notification area is perfect. But starting in 18.2 and now with 18.3, the icon is deformed and whatever was loaded before checkgmail is now hiding behind the icon for checkgmail. There are some older apps that work just fine but I have a couple that are now deformed. I thought it may be compiz, so I very carefully made sure I did not install compiz. The window manager default marco is used. NO matter what I do the icons are good in 18.1, but deformed in 18.2 and now 18.3.
    Am I out of luck and just have to live with it?

  28. Sorry, but I just noticed another limitation. When I want to customize my Mint Mate Desktop, I click on “Change desktop background,” then the Theme tab up top, then the Customize button below. That pops up a window in 18.1 which gives you 5 choices: Controls/Colors/WindowBorder/Icons/Pointer. Which is very nice to customize your entire theme. In 18.3 the choices are only 4 and they are: Controls/WindowBorder/Icons/Pointer. What happened to the ability to change COLORS?? I like to change the highlight color or the window background colors of my themes and now that’s been taken away. One of the great things I like about Mint Mate is because of these freedoms to theme the desktop like I want it. And that’s why I can never go with Gnome 3 because they took that ability away from us. Am I to understand that Mate now is going in the same direction because of gtk 3 issues? I am not a developer, I know very little about how this works. But I DO understand when a fundamental privilege just suddenly disappears. Yes, I get that the synaptic package manager button was removed so people wouldn’t bork their systems, but please guys and gals don’t take away our ability to customize our desktops. I thought that was what a fork of gnome 2 was all about?

    1. Again, this is related to the move to GTK3.

      These decisions aren’t easy to take and as we say around here “you can’t make an omelette without breaking some eggs”. Although MATE’s goal is to continue to evolve on the same paradigms and without reinventing the wheel, it has to adapt to technology changes if it wants to support new hardware and use cases which become the norm.

      Take HiDPI for instance, you cannot support it on GTK2. For a while now, MATE started to move to GTK3 and we shipped it for that toolkit in 18.2. That creates regressions and loss of features which were GTK2 specific in certain areas. The MATE development team tries to address these the best they can (you probably noticed the set of updates on 1.18 a few days ago).

  29. Hi, Mint-TEAM

    Thank you for the great work over 10 years i followed you.
    Exiting new features. Also thanks for that.

    But like Andreas Pieper, i got problems with the appearance config.
    I really miss the tab for color setting.
    And there are nearly 8 themes provide which offers the only one and same theme “clear locks” i guess.
    Both, missing color-tab and the “one-for-8-theme” looks more like a bug than a feature.

    So been seen in 18.1 and 18.2.
    18.3 i haven’t had a look, yet.

    Hope you can change it and give therefore also an update to 18.1 and 18.2.

    Thanks.

    Loki

  30. Sorry, i read Bill Skiles post just now.
    Yes thats exactly what i mean.

    @JosephM:
    So that means its a bug for sure ?!!

    Are you trying to fix this evil ?
    Or is there a workaround how i can get back to gtk-2 ?

    But the “one-for-8-theme”-Problem still exist.

    Loki

  31. Hi Linux Mint,

    I am testing 18.3 on my Sony Vaio laptop.

    The only issue so far is that the software manager does not fit on my screen and I cannot resize it. I have a 15.4”’ screen 1366×768.

    I am able to see it but I can’t get the bottom line border so I am unsure whether I am missing any category. Last line I can barely see is — Sound and video, System tools, etc —

    Thanks for your hard work

  32. Thanks for all the work you do. downloads and did a fresh install of 18.3 yesterday and so far all is working as expected. Not a glitch one thus far. great work 🙂

  33. Manual partitioning: mint-installer / ubiquity
    mint-18-3-mate-64bit-beta but should be the same with other flavours

    It’s not possible to use a gpt-layout using only the mint-installer (ubiquity gtk_ui) alone + the usage of gpt partition-layout (at least as an option during install) would overcome some knows limitations of mbr/msdos-layout.

    Steps to reproduce
    1) start mint-installer, accept defaults up to “Installation type”
    2) select something else
    3) select “New Partition Table” – will by default create a msdos/mbr – style partition layout

    A) Results
    1) The user is bound to the msdos/mbr partition-layout without further notice.
    When creating only one primary partition (/dev/sda1) and a swap-partition results in creation of an extended partition with the swap-partition located as logical partition without any notice (which is a nice workaround to keep the limitation of the msdos/mbr partitioning-scheme hidden from the user during install – but is not really what I would expect doing a “manual” layout).
    Experienced user might notice it due to the naming-scheme of the logical partitions where the numbering skips to /dev/sda5 for example while hiding the extended partition from the view.

    2) The biosgrub partition-type is not available (and does not get displayed as disabled entry in the partition-type selection) doing the further manual install – this might cause further trouble in case the user plans to setup a side-by-side install with windows or alike later (which is a story on it’s own)

    3) MBR partitions are limited up to a maximum of 2 TB while there are already consumer-products available on the market offering storage beyond that limit (which will not be a showstopper/limitation right now and could be overcome by the usage of different file systems allowing to span across multiple volumes or devices).

    4) Using an extended partitions with embedded logical partitions will require additional steps/turnarounds for the user in order to gain space for an additional primary partition by shrinking existing logical partitions.

    B) Workaround at the current state
    Using gparted to to just create a gpt partition-layout (no further need to create the partitions in there) before running the mint-installer. This enables the user to

    a) create more/unlimited partitions (without the need of nesting)

    b) select the additional partition-type biosgrub at mint-install (which is offered out of the box – nice)

    c) using UUIDs to identify partitions to avoid conflicts in case media/partitions are added or removed

    d) makes it more flexible to shrink partitions in order to gain space for new partitions

    C) Current inconsistency with partitioning in mint-install
    There is a flaw/inconsistency using (pre-created) gpt partition-layout in mint-install : adding partitions offers the selection whether to create a primary or logical partition. Proceeding using a logical-partition 🙂 results in creating an regular (“primary”) partition (which is fine). => the selection should not get displayed at all using a gpt partition-layout.

    D) Required modifications
    Add the possibility to create a pgp partition-layout in the install (probably issuing a warning in case no (u)efi-support is available and the user plans the usage of side-by-side installation with windows or macOS) would avoid the need to first run gparted.

    Display the primary/logical partition-type only when using msdos/mbr-style partition-layout.
    Probably display the silently create extended partition in the view.

    PS.: besides posting the infos here – I’ll put it to github later on (after some coffee)

    1. Correction – additional information

      The described behavior is true for running a machine/vm in bios-mode. When using an (u)efi-setup on the on the installing machine/vm the logic get’s reverted – the default in mint-install (ubiquity) when creating a new partition-table is gpt-layout style (still showing – the primary/logical partition-selection).

      As at the moment of the setup – the user could still have the intention to setup a side-by-side installation with another OS (in this case it could be an outdated Windows-version for example – not being able using a gpt-style partition layout). => The user would need to have an according option in the mint-installer (which should in this case warn the user about the fact he additionally needs to enable CSM/legacy support in his BIOS to be able using it). Which will in turn force mint to install in a non-(u)efi-mode (as long there is no additional gpt-partitioned sdd/hdd supporting an efi-partition for integration of the mint boot-loader).

      (I do agree – that this constellation would make it “a bit” complicated to setup a running system at all).

  34. hello and keep up the excellent work! 🙂

    We would like to host Linux Mint repos as part of our Foss Mirror Service! Is there a specific process to follow? We are a voluntary team/association of students and utilize a part of dedicated infrastructure that is located in our University which is a member of the NREN provider in our country, so it is officially in good condition (gigabit lines). We would be so happy to be a part of the community and also help for the upcoming new releases!

  35. Hello Linux Mint Team.

    18.3-mate-64bit-beta.

    When connecting the Internet through pppoe (dsl), most sites are not downloaded and updates are not downloaded.
    When setting ppp.mtu 1492 works fine.

    Discrepancies in the readings of using RAM with programs
    system monitor and htop (the system monitor shows a larger load than the htop).

  36. I installes Mint in VirtualBox.

    1) The kernel has a bug (or VirtualBox ?). Mint doesn’t start and these messages appear :
    NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup – CPU#0 stuck for 22s! [swapper/0:1]
    INFO: rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU

    I had the same problem with Mint 18.2 with kernel 4.10 (no problem with kernel 4.8).

    After 10 reboots, it works.

    2) If we want to change the town, it’s impossible if the keyboard is not QWERTY (but I can pick the town on the map). The installer should first ask for the keyboard and then, for the town. It shouldn’t propose to use the keyboard before configuring it.

    3) For Français, the default keyboard is Français (variante obsolète). It should be better to have the default keyboard Français (variante) because ²³ is wrong and showned as œŒ).

  37. LM MATE 18.3 Beta is extremely slow shutting down. 18.2 was much faster. When I click the shutdown button it closes the session screen very fast, but then the LM screen takes up to 1-2 minutes to finally shut down. I have the same applications installed on 18.3 that I had with 18.2. Any ideas?

    1. Well I have nothing back from the Linux folks regarding why Linux Mint 18.3 is ABYSMALLY slow on shutdown, so I did some research. I have found if I change the GRUB-CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line to this:
      GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=”quiet reboot=bios”
      the shutdown and restart times drop to just a couple of seconds! Any thoughts?

  38. It appears that MATE 18.3 Beta (and it was the same with 18.2) is holding memory after applications are closed. As an example in this session I opened my browser (Opera) then my email (Thunderbird) and memory resources went to 2.3 GiB out of 7.5Gib. I then closed Thunderbird (which means memory being used should have dropped, right?), but memory resources STAYED at 2.3 GiB!

  39. Tried it. Looks nice.
    Reverted to 18.2 almost immediately though.
    Was tempted by old early-adopter (a.k.a.) instincts, but was reminded that I am not anymore.
    I have evolved into an ‘appliance operator’ who is better served by staying in my own lane.
    I look forward to the production release & tip of the hat to the brave soles who are helping to refine a finished product. 😉

  40. Thank you for updating the Software Manager interface – better than the previous versions. May I suggest a feature for a future release would be to add check boxes next to each application to allow multiple selection to submit as a batch for download and install (like Synaptic does).

  41. Notes on installing systemtools with softwaremanager mint 18.3 64bit mate

    Wine
    ======================================
    (I don’t use wine or playonlinux for my daily work =>
    I’m not used to the correct setup of it)

    Snapshot: https://imgur.com/a/LQp6g

    After installation of wine the initial configuration starts up
    diplaying the option to install the missing mono-runtime, which
    states:
    “It is recommended to use your distribution’s packages instead.”

    At this point the user (like me) has no clue whether it’s ok to
    accept the offered mono-runtime or the installation of the
    mono-runtime should be aborted/skipped – which might give errors
    being in the configuration-process of wine.

    There should be at least given some hint/advice on the installations
    description – either stating:

    a) accept to install the offered mono-runtime on the following setup
    (could be due to copyright-terms or being the offered mono-runtime
    works best with wine)

    or

    b) Add the dependency to the installation – thus the required
    mono-runtime get’s pre-installed (which will/should avoid the
    “Wine Mono Installer”-Message at all)

    or

    c) in case the dependency can’t be added due to some technical/legit
    reason: add a statement what has to be pre-installed/done by the user
    in the first place

    or

    d) in case using wine on it’s own is not the prefered way as it
    is the better solution for most users to install playonlinux:

    1) add an according info stating “for regular user the installation
    of playonlinux is prefered” leaving the user the possibility
    to install it anyway for his special usecase.

    or

    2) remove it at all form software-manager (leaving it in synaptic
    for the advanced users) – probably re-labeling playonlinux with
    playonlinux/wine.

    1. Continued installation skipping Mono-Installation

      ———–
      snapshot: https://imgur.com/a/DBcMF

      On the follow-up config step “Wine Gecko Installer” shows up
      stating
      “It is recommended to use your distribution’s packages instead.”

      Consequences are the same as noted for mono-runtime previously.

      Continued installation skipping Gecko-Installation displays the
      “Wine Gecko Installer” a second time; after again canceling
      the Gecko-Installer the installation ended without error-messages.

      Result:

      Wine configuration could be started afterwards without
      error-message. Notepad could be started without issues; while
      starting IExplorer gave a message-box about missing Gecko-support
      offering and installation of it.

      Conclusion:
      Some additional infos regarding mono-runtime and gecko in the
      description might help the user with the installation / the initial setup.

  42. I guess I’ll just log into my Mint Isadora partition and enjoy gnome 2 with all the goody’s I want and the ability to change any dam thing I want to change on my desktop. Thanks MInt, that was the last great OS and I still love it. 😉

    1. Bill, You may want to have got a separate desktop and try the latest builds of KDE. It is definitely a road on an alien planet in the beginning. But in the end, you can get a desktop environment you long most, and a new DE life 🙂 Because KDE is customizable. Though might not that simple when first steps. Yes, painfully buggy and strange sometimes. But customizable to such extent that you can set separate themes for the windows of separate applications, different look for different states of the window, and separate colors. There are many KDE add-ons and extensions. One of the newest extensions, for example, brings back the different wallpapers for different desktops. And I hope it will be better than compiz for you.
      Of course , it’s easy for me to say all this. I‘ve already spent years to get everything properly set. I can compare DEs on my multi-boot desktop with Fedora 27 KDE, developer KDE-Neon, High Sierra, Win10, Mint KDE 18.2, Mint KDE 17.3 (!), Mint 18.2 Cinnamon (yes, I’ve installed it as promised earlier :), and Parted Magic package USB stick with so wonderful LXDE on Slackware Linux 🙂 (tried MATE-compiz and Xfce of course.)
      My personal choice is still KDE and LXDE. And if to go this road again, I would start with Fedora KDE now. Though it’s harder than others and sure there will be failures and rollbacks. But it’s worth trying, as I see it now. If Debian planet, KDE-Neon maybe. Because it looks to become a real thing in a year or so due to KDE progress. Discovery seems to be ‘already’ working ok in Neon, for example.
      :), Vladislav Galin
      PS And I am looking forward installing KDE a top of Mint 19, as Clem has advised. VG

  43. Timeshift (using btrfs 18.3 64bit mate)

    1) Allow usage of the Comments-column for user-entries.
    As there already exists a comment-column (which is seemingly only used when restoring a snapshot/branch to annotate “[LIVE] Before restoring” it would be nice to be able to add a private comment when creating a manual snapshot/branch and/or to change an existing comment (at least for the manual created ones).
    Otherwise one has to figure out what’s the state/contents of the snapshot/branch only by the date/time and by comparing included files.

    2) Optional don’t create automatic snapshot for current state when reverting to a previous snapshot/branch.

    Using timeshift on a vm – nearly running out of storage-space ( fine/ok) one can notice that reverting to a previous snapshot/branch always creates an additional snapshot of the current state (even when the 1GB free-space limit has been reached).

    In situations when – for example due to installation of a large software-package or errornous file-creation – the user wants to revert to a prior clean state (whithout the extra “garbage”) it would be helpfull to offer an option to skip the creation of the automatically created snapshot of the current state . Otherwise the “unwanted garbage” stilll exists and fills up the space of the device even after a reboot.

    Remarks:
    a) As long the user is after a reboot still able to access timeshift he can remove the automatic created snapshot/branch from the gui.
    b) In situations where the systems runs out of storage entirely (due to the automatically created snapshot) the user might have to run a live-mint to remove the snapshot/branch from there to be able to boot.

    1. 3) Indicator for current (last recently restored snapshot/branch)
      There is no indicator used for the “current” snapshot, the snapshot/branches are initially just listed in the order of their creation (or are sortable by clicking in the column-headers). In case the user restored a snaphot/branch there should some hint which one has been active recently. In case an automatic snapshot is created at a later time for example this would become the new active one.

      4) Treeview or hierarchical/nested listview for snapshot-dependencies

      The snapshot-dependecies can only be guessed due to the flat listview (when restoring to a previous snapshot/branch the automatic created snapshot holds a comment to which snapshot it will revert, but does not give a hint on which previous state it stems itself)
      (this would require a) a different gui, or b) some clever idea how to reflect that within the flat listview, and could wait for a later release)

      conclusion: The longer I play around with it – the more I do like it 🙂

  44. Hi Linux Mint,

    Looks like Compiz is installed, and when I open CompizConfig, many effects there are enabled but I certainly don’t see their impact on MATE (e.g. Wobby windows).

    I am not an expert user but, what is the meaning of this CompizConfig in MATE?

    Thanks

    1. Saif, are you certain you have Compiz selected as your compositor, and not one of the others (i.e. Marco + Compositing)? Go to: Control Center > Desktop Settings > Windows > In the Windows Manager drop-down box select “Compiz”. That’s the one CompizSetting is used for.

    2. Thank you, I didn’t know about this. It works flawless this one, never seen any compiz setup working this smooth 🙂

  45. Beta works nicely, thank you!

    Firefox 56 and 57 no longer are compatible with XMarks and fireFTP, two of my trusted add ons. They are removed from the Firefox download page and going deeper on Firefox pages saus not compatible with Quantum. I can install Opera or Chrome to get back XMarks but I loose FireFTP.

  46. Needs Xfburn as default. Software Manager needs to offer dependencies.
    Usual suite installed, BrucesWay with Gparted restored and Firewall activated but Sound levels and Openshot were difficult.
    Lacking comprehensive documentation Timeshift not used so I am sticking to LiveCD or LiveUSB of Clonezilla 2.4.32-i686-pae.iso which can also faithfully restore WindowsOS,Apps and shared NTFS Data.

  47. Oh, my preferred Clonezilla can also faithfully restore GRUB for controlling dual OS operation but that relies on ‘Legacy BIOS’ which in Lenovo’s case is still available via the ‘Novo Button’.

  48. Software Manager – flatpak/flathub packages // Mint-18-3-mate-64bit (running in qemu/kvm vm)

    screenshots used in the following: https://imgur.com/a/6YYGA

    1) Using the search/filter, flathub application-Names collide with existing applications and are hard to distinguish from the regular application without further info.
    Screenshot: 4 (search-field used for Hexchat)

    Opening a flathub package for install does display a gray label „Flatpack“ in the Details-Section of the package (which might be easily overseen).
    Screenshot: 5 (Installation view HexChat flatpak)

    There should prabably some overlay icon (advantage: prominent and needs no additional translation) and/or some comment in the short-description of the flathub package (disatvantage – requires additional/rework of the translation + would be probably redundant when used with the flathub Categorie View stating for each displayed package that it’s a flathub-package.
    Samples: Hexchat (HexChat), Dconf-editor (Deconf Editor)

    2) Updates for flatpak/flathub
    As I currently don’t know in which way flathub packages will receive updates (or getting none at all from Update Manager) – the installation of flapak/flathub applications instead of a regular application might result in the user is not getting relevant updates / bugfixes by the regular Update Manager.
    In case flatpak applications are not handled by the update manager: There should be some additional info to the user that he has to care about updates and security-/bug-fixes on his own when using a flatpak/flathub.

    3) Flathub – Installation(s)
    The installation of a flatpak – for example Agenda – displays a progressbar – which is seemingly done fast – is followed by a second step „Installing additional dependencies“ showing a spinner which takes compareble very long: giving the impression to hang / which is not the case.
    There should be some note with the second step, that this might take several minutes to finish and/or some detail-information about the progress. Otherwise the user has the impression the installation got stuck or is errornous.
    Screenshot: 1

    4) Launching flatpak application (from software manager after install) executes program as superuser
    a) This is – just thinking about it a bit: „expeceted“ as the software manager is run as superuser itself – but might be problematic in case user-related config is created which might be owned by root (wich idk at the moment).
    Screenshot: 2 (search-field used)
    Screenshot: 3 (expected location – Accessories / Agenda launched from installation view)
    b) Running Agenda from the mint-menu (after refresh using the menu-editor → see below)
    shows again in application-title „Agenda (as superuser)“ – at the moment idk, whether this is a regular behaviour (but I hope that the flatpak application don’t get executed using some suid-feature).
    => This might be an irrelevant observation (= just my wrong interpretation of it) but it would give me some bad feeling running applications giving it root-rights out of the box.

    5) Installation of the first flatpak application (but could probably any other application type too) does seemingly not update the mint-menu with the according entry (could be related to the according application too) → see below 6) „Agenda“ and „Telegram Destktop“

    6) Test of flatpak-Applications – Part I
    Agenda
    After Installation Agenda could be launched from the Installation view of software manager: did start = readily installed – but is not visible in mint-menu and does not get displayed using the seach-field in mint-menu.
    Note: the effect is not necessarily related to Agenda – see below Telegram Desktop after resetting via timeshift for second install of it.
    Screenshot: 2 (search-field used)
    Screenshot: 3 (expected location – Accessories / Agenda launched from installation view)
    After opening mint-menu-editor – there is an Agenda-entry in Accessories (checked as visible) – opening mint-menu again displays Agenda entry in Accessories and can be successfully found via the search-file in mint-menu too (redoing the test after resetting the system I’ve noticed it’s just enough to open the mint menu-editor without any further action to get the Agenda menu-entry displayed.
    After reverting the installation back to it’s original state installing first Telegram Desktop (having the same menu-update issue there) and afterwards Agenda does instantly make the Agenda menu-entry visible without further action => the issue seems to be related to the first installed (flatpak) application.

    Games
    Installed and showed in mint-menu games after installation without further actions – started (no installed games listed – as expected) – no further tests.
    Gnome Maps
    Installed and showed in mint-menu accessories as „Maps“ (not as Gnome Maps as inspected) after installation without further actions – started – initial displayed location somewhere in the region of east siberians sea and / arctic ocean – after selecting „go to current location“ → switch to a nearby location (a bit off probably due to isp-related data). No further tests.
    Dconf Editor
    Installed, launched from Installation view of software manager – did start; showed in mint-menu without further actions.
    Did play around a bit – searching keys, navigation through structure – no further tests.

    Telegram Desktop (does not work?)
    Installed and showed in mint-menu games after installation without further actions.
    Starting from mint-menu → Internet → Telegram Desktop does not show some gui or task-panel entry (idk what I would have to expect).
    ps aux|grep -i telegram returns no result

    Resetting installation using timeshift to exclude interference with other flatpaks – installing TD again:
    Telegram Desktop does not show up initially in mint-menu – after opening mint menu-editor and closing it without further actions – Telegram shows up in mint-menu → Internet → Telegram Desktop.
    Does still not show application or other related gui element after trying to start it.

    1. uups – copy-paste error with description of Telegram:
      wrong: “Installed and showed in mint-menu games after installation without further actions.”
      right: “Installed and showed in mint-menu internet after installation without further actions.”

    2. 7) Test of flatpak-Applications – Part II
      Nestopia

      Startup is heavily delayed – client-area of Netopia holds copy of current visible desktop-content including other application windows like some screen-shot (but could be related to the used vnc-connection to the vm-host).

      Requires obviously additional roms (which have to be delivered by the user).

      a) Crash/problem when acessing web-site from about-dialog

      Starting Nestopia a second time – using About-Dialog selecting there the link to the given website closes/(crashes ??) Nestopia application window without any further reaction; expected would be: display of according site in webbrowser (firefox).
      Using sudo ps aux|grep -i flat returns only flapak-session-helper, xdg-document-helper, xdg-permission-store as only flatpak related running processes.
      Copying the given url via context-menu and opening manually in firefox displays the according website.
      Clicking the url in the Nestop about-dialog with an running instance of firefox does not work too.
      Running Nestopia from the cli (using the command from the defined starter – removing the %f parameter adding redirection for stdout and stderr)
      /usr/bin/flatpak run –branch=stable –arch=x86_64 –command=nestopia –file-forwarding ca._0ldsk00l.Nestopia -e @@ @@ >nestopia.txt 2>&1
      – displays on startup some Gtk-WARNING about Locale not supported by C library + a hint about OpenGL: 3.3 (Core Profile) Mesa 17.0.7 being used.
      – displays some error-dump when using the weblink from the about-dialog.
      Most of the text-output can’t be directed to some file (get’s probably redirected somwhere inside the flatpack infrustructure already and get’s displayed by some other instance).

      b) Nestopia integrates in user-related menu = not completly revertable with timeshift in certain situations

      Nestopia seems to use part of the user-environment (which is located on a ext4-partiotion and not covered by timeshift = users/my fault to do so). Restoring the system via timeshift does not remove nestopia completly as there still exists an grayish menu-item for it.
      Running nestopia from the cli quits (binary base from sytem-partition has been removed) with correct message: error: app/ca._0ldsk00l.Nestopia/x86_64/stable not installed

    3. 8) Test of flatpak-Applications – Part III

      Play it Slowly (Mint deadlocked on logout after install – leaving blank destop)
      Installation did show no errors (application has not been started – did not use the menu-editor workaround)

      As further investigating on the missing menu-entry for the first installed (flatpak) application – see above previous post 6) Agenda/Telegram Desktop – this time tried to check whether it would show up by logout and login again – mint hangs in a deadlock showing an empty destktop after using Logout from the mint-menu.
      Switching to a text-console using CTRL+ALT+F1 is not possible, Resetting session using CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE does show no reaction (but could be the according handler is not defined for mate), CTRl+ALT+DEL does not work either.

      After forcing a hard reset on the vm boot-strap did hang with a black text-background showing blinking curser top-left after spalsh-logo. Entering grub-menu holding SHIFT-key is not possible.

    4. 8 a) Additional notes – broken system after flatpack-install
      After restoring the installed system via timeshift from a live-mint: perform reboot (eject iso/cd) in vm:
      grub-menu of the installed system did show up without further action – nice to know: this should probably be documented somewhere (not knowing if the „feature“ only shows up in case timeshift hast been used).

      Installed system starts without visible issues 🙂

      (I really have to check who is the author of that tool – it’s so cool)

    5. 9) Correction – additional notes on „Telegram Desktop“ and „Play it Slowly“

      As after the previous test there has been less than 1 GB free space available on the root-device (mint showing a warning – still having around 300 – 400 MB free on /) I did create a new
      vm-setup – offering it more space – merging / and home – and using an bios instead of (u)efi:
      „Telegram Desktop“ and „Play it Slowly“ could both run after installation.

      I’ll propably cross-check whether using the same disk-layout in conjunction with (u)efi works too (which I do assume).

      At the moment it’s not clear whether the install failed silently or the applications could not start due to missing space on device – which too gave no according error-message via some gui/message.

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