Linux Mint 17 “Qiana” Xfce RC released!

Written by Clem on Sunday, June 15th, 2014 @ 7:05 am | Main Topics

The team is proud to announce the release of Linux Mint 17 “Qiana” Xfce RC.

Linux Mint 17 Qiana Xfce Edition

Linux Mint 17 is a long term support release which will be supported until 2019. It comes with updated software and brings refinements and many new features to make your desktop even more comfortable to use.

New features at a glance:

For a complete overview and to see screenshots of the new features, visit: “What’s new in Linux Mint 17 Xfce“.

Important info:

  • Issues with Skype
  • Bluetooth
  • Applet height
  • EFI Support
  • Solving freezes with some NVIDIA GeForce GPUs
  • Booting with non-PAE CPUs
  • Other issues

Make sure to read the “Release Notes” to be aware of important info or known issues related to this release.

System requirements:

  • x86 processor (Linux Mint 64-bit requires a 64-bit processor. Linux Mint 32-bit works on both 32-bit and 64-bit processors).
  • 512 MB RAM (1GB recommended for a comfortable usage).
  • 10 GB of disk space
  • Graphics card capable of 1024×768
  • DVD drive or USB port

Bug reports:

  • Please report bugs below in the comment section of this blog.
  • Please visit https://github.com/linuxmint/Roadmap to follow the progress of the development team between the RC and the stable release.

Download:

Md5 sum:

  • 32-bit: df8ffc08020b662ae5b99c51ef3b6f6a
  • 64-bit: cbc15a8bef4c657c2486a7d973b66f9e

Torrents:

HTTP Mirrors for the 32-bit DVD ISO:

HTTP Mirrors for the 64-bit DVD ISO:

Enjoy!

We look forward to receiving your feedback. Thank you for using Linux Mint and have a lot of fun testing the release candidate!

133 Responses to “Linux Mint 17 “Qiana” Xfce RC released!”

  1. ZeroCool Says:

    Will this work on an old computer having 256MB RAM?

  2. mitros123 Says:

    Hello Cleam and team.

    I can’t find a way to open Xfce Settings (xfce4-settings-manager) using the GUI. The only way to do so is through the terminal. This applies to some other settings submenus (keyboard management, display management etc). They are not accessible from the main menu.

  3. tdockery97 Says:

    @mitros123: When I tried it I also didn’t see a menu item for System Settings. However, if you look at the top of the Whisker Menu there is an icon for it. Just click the System Settings Icon.

  4. Paul Walker Says:

    Have the system requirements intentionally gone from a minimum of 384MB to 512MB?

    I, of course, realise that it’s only a minimum but just wanted a clarification.

  5. Bruno Grilo Says:

    Xfce….the most wanted! Congrats!

  6. jungle_boy Says:

    Congratulations Clem and team, LM the best distro! Xfce the fastest DE!

  7. Ricky Says:

    Thanks. I’ve been checking the website like 4 times a day since KDE came out. Very happy for this Xfce release.

  8. fortran Says:

    Thanks Clem and whole team. Greetings.

  9. Robert S Says:

    I have the same Problem with the XFCE4 Settings Manager, it doesnt show up in the whiskermenu..only when i type the full name of it in the search he finds the script to open it. Thanks so much for putting out the XFCE Edition.

  10. mohamed Says:

    شكرا لكم

  11. RoseHosting Admin Says:

    Thank you so much. XFCE version FTW. Just keep up the great work.

  12. kmo Says:

    M17 Xfce RC – very nice. Couple small issues:

    1) No shut down option from Main Menu (I added the Action Button for now)
    2) Text overlaps on time/date (did not with M17 KDE or Mate)
    3) Menu Settings does nothing when selected from GUI

    Very trivial issues but aside from the paint job, the engine and chassis are rock solid. Thank you so much!

  13. dd Says:

    thanks Clem and team!
    very good rc. for me didn’t work without nvidia driver. now it’s ok. conky manager don’t work. RAM with 305 mb it’t ok but the cpu is not so quiet: 9-24%.

  14. Dave Says:

    Hi,

    I use the Application Menu instead of Whisker, and as well as not being able to get into system settings, I didn’t seem to have an option to shutdown?

    Thanks

  15. felipe Says:

    Cool, does the XFCE spin include the update manager indicator applet? Does blueman work?
    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1181106

    if you use Xubuntu base, there is a Bug in thunar when you ummount the removable media that mount it again.

  16. Maren Says:

    Yuppieh :-)

    There is one issue with the ‘applications menu’ (I replaced the whisker menu, because I find it much too bulky, I prefer a small menu. – And the default whisker menu is also inverted, categories on the right, entries on the left?!? – if I add another one to the panel, that one’s sides are correct).

    When I add the ‘applications menu’ to the panel, it doesn’t show the entries for Logout and some others which are system related. It only shows the application categories and their entries – and there are about 4 separators lines shown, two at the top, then ‘settings’, then one separator, then the categories, then one at the bottom. So those separators are superfluous now…

    I tried to add the logout entry using menulibre, but all I get is the entry being placed in between the categories (alphabetically sorted…). I would like it to be at the bottom, below the last separator, though.

    I looked into the used menu file, and this file seems to contain everything which is necessary in the section. It just isn’t displayed in the ‘applications menu’…

    Could you look into this, please? If you need screenshots, tell me where to post them.
    (LM17Xfce RC 32bit (de) in VirtualBox)

  17. Maren Says:

    The comment software deleted the tag before the word ‘section’: I mean the “layout” section.

  18. Speedbird Says:

    Thank you very much Clem and everybody else on the team! As I’m new to RC releases, I would like to ask if they’re updated to the RTM release when it’s releases.

    Best regards,
    Speedbird

  19. Camille Says:

    Merci M’sieur Clem. Xfce c’est mon parfum préféré !!! Aller zouuuu VirtualBox pour commencer :-)

  20. Nick Says:

    Good that you resisted the temptation to use Xfce 4.11 development release.

    Bug report (if I find any) to follow.

  21. Maren Says:

    Don’t know if this is a bug, or if I need some additional software for this:

    Menu doesn’t update automatically to include KDE applications.

    Installed kate and krusader (most useful file manager ever!), but they are not automatically included in any one of the menues (currently whisker and ‘applications menu’). Other applications, like inkscape, are automatically added to the menu.
    (I know I can add them by hand, but I think this shouldn’t be necessary).

  22. Bernhard Wilfordo Says:

    HIBERNATE DOES NOT WORK!

    Well, I do not know whether you consider the following a bug, but since I am always willing to help and improve, I shall describe the situation as precisely as possible.

    In short: Hibernate (suspend-to-disk) does not work anymore on a machine where it used to work for a long time, without me changing anything in the underlying hardware.

    I have been using my Dell Inspiron 1252 laptop for a long time, hibernating perfectly under Xubuntu, until I upgraded from Xubuntu 13.10 to 14.04. From then on, whenever I hibernate, my laptop seems to suspend-to-disk correctly, but on wakeup, I just get some messages saying “uncompressing pages” (or so), and then I am left with a blank black screen, and nothing happens anymore.

    I have been asking for help in the Ubuntu community for more than 2 months now (see the links below), but nobody could help me. Many other people are experiencing this problem, too.

    Two days ago I desperately tried the latest Fedora 20 XFCE (sigh!) – same problem. I have been eagerly waiting for Mint 17 XFCE, which I installed and tested today – same problem.

    So I think the problem must be somewhere in the latest kernels used (swsusp) or in the “userspace rewrite of swsusp” called “uswsusp”, but I do not have the abilities to debug this.

    I successfully applied the hints proposed in this posting
    http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=167194&p=867203
    to solve the hibernating problem on a DIFFERENT DELL LAPTOP (E6400 Latitude), but they did not help me on my Inspiron 1525.

    I will not delete my Mint partition now. I am waiting for proposals on how to debug this behavior. Feel free to contact me under berwilfort@yahoo.de.

    Postings so far:
    —————-
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2219938

    http://askubuntu.com/questions/452265/why-does-hibernate-not-work-after-update-from-13-10-to-14-04?noredirect=1#comment594251_452265

    PS: I wondered today, when I installed Mint 17 XFCE, that immediately after the release of the very first ISO available, the package manager told me to update 211 (sic!!!) packages!?

  23. Yuri-P Says:

    Good news. I look forward to look at the release.

  24. Steve Says:

    Between them, Xorg, kworker, rcu_sched and mdmwebkit continuously consume almost 100% of a cpu when the mdm html login screen is displayed, resulting in the fans running full bore. This is on an old Pentium-M laptop now used as a wireless print server, so the login screen is displayed almost all of the time. An easy workaround is to use the gtk login screen rather than mdm. Other than that, everything has been smooth as silk so far – thanks!

  25. kmo Says:

    @ Maren: Good catch. I use Dolphin File Manager and it also doesn’t appear in the Menu after install by Synaptic.

  26. Dereon Says:

    Thank you, Mint Team!
    I was waiting for this for a long time, but i was ready to wait longer only hoping that the wait will bring a very stable and thoroughly tested release. Xfce is my favorite choice if Desktop Environment!

    Thanks, Clem.

    @Speedbird: If you install the RC, you should later on update the packages to the new final release. There will be iso-s on this website, as well as on some others. For more info how to upgrade, you can go to the community website, the forums, the blogs or the documentation, where you will find plenty of info

  27. kmo Says:

    *** My error – Dolphin does appear in the Menu, though at the bottom. The Menu system is the same as Xubuntu 14.04 – items added through Synaptic do not appear alphabetically.

  28. Jan Says:

    Hello and thank you, Mint Team!

    I’m pretty like to use Alt+F* to switch workspaces. Tried to change this shortcut, but I can’t. Seems to be a bug:
    - open Preferences -> Window Manager -> Keyboard
    - change Workspace2 to Alt+F2. Will be asked for replace “xfce4-appfinder –collapsed” application shortcut. Surely, “Use Workspace 2″
    - … but it has no effect. Still, xfce4-appfinder used for Alt+F2

    Moreover – I can’t unbind Alt+F2:xfce4-appfinder behavior at all. Preferences -> Keyboard -> Application Shortcuts doesn’t allow me – rebinding or removing has no effect.

  29. mitros123 Says:

    Well here is another bug :P

    I have the Sony Vaio SVE1113M1EB laptop, and I experience random keyboard and touchpad freezes (since lm15xfce 64bit). I read the Release Notes and I blacklisted the rpcsec_gss_krb5 module suggested here (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/1270445), but nothing changed.
    When the keyboard and the touchpad don’t respond, my external usb mouse works, so I am able to click on things.

    The only fix I have found is to have a script that removes and adds again the psmouse module (sudo modprobe -r psmouse && sudo modprobe psmouse).
    I double click on that script when I experience the freeze, and I have my touchpad and keyboard again (first I need to play with visudo in order not to have to enter my password after the sudo command).

    @Speedbird: As Dereon said, most likely it is enough to update from the update manager (this is not the case on rare occasions). Clem includes Upgrade Instructions in every stable release announcement.

  30. Keegan Says:

    Live stick booted. No bugs, very happy.
    Just a couple of years ago i could not imagine myself installing an RC but this just goes to show the high quality and craftmanship of Clem and the team !

  31. Speedbird Says:

    @Dereon Thanks!

  32. trouble Says:

    Why MATE system requirements list 5 GB of disk space as recommended and Xfce 10 GB? I thought Xfce was lighter?

  33. Ted L Says:

    There seem to be A LOT of improvements in Mint 17! However, I’ve been tempted to switch to LMDE lately. The biggest attraction has been the rolling release & “never” needing to do a full install ever again… However, seeing that Mint 17 is the start of a new long term strategy, I’m wondering if I should just stay with Mint 17 (Cinnamon & Xfce) instead of switching to LMDE (would use Cinnamon, & MATE instead of Xfce). When will these improvements from Mint 17 be seen in LMDE? Or rather, generally speaking, what is the delay for LMDE to be brought up to date with the main version’s features?

  34. Nick Says:

    I installed and tested the 64bit version. Here are the problems I’ve found:

    1. SERIOUS PROBLEM (imho): After installation, reboot does not work. It freezes with the following displayed on the screen:

    “The system is going down for reboot NOW!
    ModemManager [1265]: Caught signal, sutting down…
    ModemManager [1265]: Could not acquire the ‘org.freedesktop.ModemManager1′ service name”

    The normal message to remove the disc and press enter does not appear, and pressing enter does nothing. The only way to proceed is to manually eject the disc and then hold the power switch for 5 seconds. This whole process makes the computer seem broken. This problem was also present in Mint 16 Xfce.

    2. gksudo causes the pointer to be busy for exactly 30 seconds after execution. This bug was also present in Mint 16 Xfce.

    3. Many config-type things in the menu are missing from xfce4-settings-manager. Examples are mdmsetup; Languages; and ‘Users and groups’.

    4. The little scrollbar arrows are gone from the Mint-X theme. I found them really useful. Is there a reason they’ve been removed? Speaking of Mint-X, every theme except Mint-X makes GTK+3 GUIs look awful. I can’t imagine many people wanting to use them, unless they don’t intend to use GTK+3.

  35. Nick Says:

    Addendum to my previous comment:

    1. This problem applies only when rebooting out of the live session after installation has finished. Every subsequent boot/shutdown/reboot works fine.

  36. kmo Says:

    OK, I’m a happy camper now. I blew away my /home partition (I triple boot LM17 Xfce, Mate and LMDE). This made everything run smoother and look better. I switched to the Whisker Menu instead of the Applications Menu and things are alphabetical now. I also increased my panel height to 32 and reduced the time/date font sizes to 8 which eliminated the overlap. Still can’t get applications to appear alphabetically in Applications Menu and the Shutdown/Restart option is missing from that menu as well.

    This is a fabulous release and I’m sticking with it until 2019. Thanks!

  37. Tim Sanders Says:

    I think it’s only right to post this here as well — um…. maybe in the future you can hopefully find a way to make it a default in mint, once you get once to it, well, you’ll probably be like me, and want to tell EVERYONE! I just can’t seem to keep the info hidden, and why would I, this is LINUX were talking!

    If you use a computer at night check out the Windows version of f.lux using Wine (don’t use the Darkroom mode, makes entire screen black, I’ll tell you how to get that effect!)

    f.lux changes your computer monitor from matching a cloudy sky at 6500k (I’ll post a color temp chart below for explanation) and when sun goes down, so does the blue level on your monitor, warming up the colors and helping you to wind down at night.
    F.lux Download Page
    http://www.justgetflux.com/

    F.lux Research Page
    http://www.justgetflux.com/research.html

    Color Temperature Chart
    http://www.tabletopstudio.co.uk/images/ColourTemperatureChart.jpg

    It can take a very long time to get used to this – don’t give up too early, give it upwards of a week if that’s what it takes, or lower the settings to fluorescent so it’s not as strong.

    Make sure to use the SLOW 60 MINUTE transition (not default).

    For the red / black mode, you can run Redshift (turn off / exit f.lux) use ‘redshift -0 800 (or less) and invert the colors if possible. That will get you the Darkroom mode that f.lux has.

  38. Tim Sanders Says:

    Edit

    $ redshift -o 800
    You can go less than 800, but I don’t think you’ll need to.

    Again make sure you invert the colors so that white pages will be black, and now white text will be red, I think it looks great!

  39. jeremy Says:

    I tried to install it, but it’s not seeing my Ethernet which is odd because every other distro including mint 17 cinnamon sees it just fine.

    Any commands To force the installer into seeing it?

  40. gerry Says:

    While the Cinnamon desktop iso seemed to install XFCE gave problems.
    Using an 8GB sd card and sd card reader, creating a USB image generally works. I downloaded the iso, then used “USB image writer” to put it on the sd card. I got the following message at the end of the process
    “Error mounting /dev/sdc1 at /media/gerry/Linux Mint 17 Xfce 32-bit: Command-line `mount -t “ext3″ -o “uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid” “/dev/sdc1″ “/media/gerry/Linux Mint 17 Xfce 32-bit”‘ exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,
    missing codepage or helper program, or other error
    In some cases useful info is found in syslog – try
    dmesg | tail or so”

    Needless to say i tried another sd card and got the same result. Tried using UNetbooting but it gave some error message about some ext2 not being supported in Linux Mint. Anyway I tried to check to see if anything got copied to the sd card, but on insertion, all I got was the message
    “Invalid partition table – recursive partition on /dev/sdc.”
    So, yes, two corrupted sd cards now it seems…..

    I inserted a blank DVD and it gave me the option to burn the iso to disk which I did. It worked perfectly on a very old Dell Optiplex and on an Acer Aspire Revo (R3700) – ONCE I selected the live DVD to boot in compatibility mode.
    The first boot on the Acer I left the DVD boot on Default and it gave some error message about MESA and just hung! Tried again on compatibility mode and it worked fine. Part of me thinks that the menu should be reconfigured to the default is the compatibility mode as this is the lowest spec required. Then the second option could be called “Linux Mint with add-ons” or something like that, but I can also see the argument for leaving the menu as it is.

  41. Adam Says:

    I had noticed the disappearance of scroll sliders in Apache OpenOffice (sidebar, main window, dialogs). This problem also appears in Xubuntu 14.04, but not in 13.10 and LM16 Xfce.

  42. Yasin Says:

    Great job, thanks!!

    I noticed a very trivial bug: During install, in the window for selecting/creating partitions, it says “Linux Mint 16″.
    I suppose this should be “Linux Mint 17″ instead.

    Thanks a lot again. Looking forward to the final release.

  43. Michael Says:

    Can I upgrade from linux mint 16 to 17 Qiana by logging on to linux mint
    window itself if so please can you give me description how to do this

    Thanks

  44. Bob Says:

    Using Gimp, I always get many error-statements, using libreoffice the same problem.
    Error statements say “no space on device”
    There is enough space.
    I use a 12 GB / with 6 GB left…
    Normal Installation, reused home.

  45. Bob Says:

    Will it be possible to upgrade from Mint 17 XFCE RC to stable version without reinstalling?

  46. Joe Says:

    Thanks for the Xfce version. I can’t believe less than 5% of the Mint Universe use Xfce. I also have the problem when deselecting the Whisker Menu and using the older Application Menu. Other than that everything is great.

  47. Minter Says:

    Mint 17 xfce is great! On my athlon II x4 machine it has noticeably faster response than the cinnamon release, which is very good itself. Once the nvidia driver is installed, it’s very stable. This is the one I’ll use. Thanks Mint team!

    For shortcut key users:

    The whisker menu shortcut pre-empts the left super key for use in custom shortcuts. Uninstalling whisker and reinstalling it makes that key available for custom shortcut combinations. (This doesn’t work without the reinstall. Even so, the super-L whisker entry misleadingly can’t be removed or updated in the shortcut list, but it’s inactive.)

    Actually, I prefer the xfce application finder (alt-F3) to whisker anyway. App finder doesn’t have a shutdown button, but the same functionality is available by adding the ‘action buttons’ item to the panel.

    Also, app finder doesn’t have an entry for the xfce settings manager, but that’s easy to get by assigning a custom shortcut key to the xfce4-settings-manager command.

    Again, thanks Clem and team for a great product!

  48. Bernhard Wilfordo Says:

    I wrote above that hibernate does not work (laptop does not wake up). I have just installed LMDE201403-MATE, just to see whether it works on the Debian based version. Well, it works, after applying the hints from http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopicphp?f=197&t=97684

    Since hibernate worked well until Ubuntu 13.10 and stopped working in 14.04, and Mint 17 XFCE is based on Ubuntu, I conclude that the error must have slipped in somewhere in the development process from 13.10 to 14.04, and has been transferred to the Ubuntu based Mint.

    Edit by Clem: I’d be more inclined to point the finger at the huge amount of changes done upstream in regards to power and session management… upower, systemd.

  49. Kyrrel Says:

    I notice the same problem as #34. I have 2 laptop (Sony and Toshiba). Restart after install broken for both.

  50. david Says:

    Been waiting for this one! Gave Mint17 Xfce RC a quick run-through today and apart from a glitch setting up my Epson printer (Had to use terminal to correct fault) so far it seems to be working OK. Will give it a more thorough test over the next week. Good work guys!!

  51. Tim Says:

    If you choose a username (i.e. full name/real name) with an &-sign, Whisker Menu seems to substitute that character for my loginname. Example name: Alice&Bob, example login: alice-and-bob. Whisker Menu displays: AliceAlice-and-bobBob.

  52. sam Says:

    i am writing as a new user and need registration #

  53. mikef90000 Says:

    Looks great so far and looking forward to Five years of stable goodness. Here are some issues I’ve noticed:

    - why is there no workspace switcher on the default panel?

    - the package ‘mint-stylish-addon’ contains an obsolete and Broken version of stylish. Is this package still needed?

    - the application menu button really needs a Linux Mint icon :-)

    - update manager does Not hide level 5 packages as selected in preferences – very dangerous. Not sure if this a change of behavior.

    - the LM17 iso is much larger than LM13, needs more detail in the final release notes to know why. IMO this strengthens the case for a ‘minimal Mint’ iso that lets you select, download and install a DE, mdm and a few tools.

    - the package ‘mint-flashplugin-10.2′ containing the non-SSE2 version of adobe flash is missing. Can it be restored or are our older Athlon systems being kicked to the curb? BTW Google Chrome also requires SSE2 capable processors now :-( .

  54. KENNEDY_MINT17_1ST_BORN Says:

    I am so happy the much anticipated long time support mint is now rocking well on my system here in Nigeria.

  55. Tim Says:

    @mikef90000: Packages flagged as security updates will now show up by default regardless of their level. Perhaps this is why you’re seeing level 5 packages?

  56. Mtn Dew Maniac Says:

    Glad the .ISO is growing – finally starting to use the space available on DVD media, lol.

    VERY glad to see another XFCE-flavored Mint release!

    Best regards to Clem (et al),
    MDM

  57. Colin Says:

    As grey haired old newbie, I don’t really understand the basic but have been using Linux for ages on my Asus EEE PC’s for years now and it’s great. Specifically MINT. But, with 17 I can’t get is the screen brightness to adjust with the “Fn” + “F5/F6″ usually it just works out of the box. I have gone back to 16 for now.

  58. John Says:

    The LiveDVD seems to work fine on a 2001-vintage Dell Dimension 4100 with 512MB RAM and a 1Ghz PIII processor.

    It has an nvidia GeForce 6200 graphics card, which didn’t cause any issues – LM used the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau driver and that worked. No need for any compatibility mode selection or anything. I tried switching to the nvidia-304.117 legacy driver, but everything just froze up mid-process running from the DVD. No doubt it will be OK on a proper install. It wasn’t clear whether and why I should select the “updates” version of that proprietary driver, which was also offered in the driver manager…

    At idle, CPU runs at 11% and Memory 32%.

    After launching Firefox, that goes up to 16% CPU and 50% Memory usage.

    Flash doesn’t seem to work in Firefox. Presumably the plugin requires SSE2. Pity…

    Just a cursory test. Obviously quite slow running from the DVD, but hopefully it will be acceptable from the HD. Looks like it will be worth giving it a go when the final version is released.

  59. Dave Says:

    Just in case this helps, I’ve also noticed that when using the Application Menu, the ‘Run Program’, ‘Help’ and ‘About Xfce’ options are missing in addition to previously mentioned system settings and logout options (and the scrollbar arrows in windows). Thanks.

  60. Mauricio Hernández Says:

    Only bug I detected on XFCE is that if you start installing something from the software manager and you close the window while it’s in the downloading process, the download seems to stop, because I reopened it to see the percentage of the process and in the status bar it said “No ongoing actions”, so I searched again the software I was installing (Virtualbox-nonfree) and clicked again in the install button, and it said “The package could not be installed, please check your internet connection” while I still can navigate on the web and download from qbittorrent. So, I restarted the system and went to software manager again and looked for Virtualbox-nonfree, I clicked on install and it started with no problems, and I closed the software manager once more, opened it again to see that there were “No ongoing actions”, tried once more to install it and the same message appeared “The package could not be installed, please check your internet connection”, but this time I waited a couple of minutes and then I searched VirtualBox in my programs and it was installed, so, the process seems to keep going but the software manager doesn’t seem to remember the process if you close it when installing something.

  61. molala Says:

    Why does this require 1024×768 resolution minimum when the MATE release only required 800×600? I have a 1024×600 netbook and wanted to install this version on it…

  62. mikef90000 Says:

    @Tim, you’re probably right. Still, if one toggles ‘Select All’ these non-LM-approved packages at the bottom of the list could be installed inadvertently.

    ALERT to the LM devs,
    I’ve also not been able to install LM17 on my existing hdd. After a lot of troubleshooting and verifying the partition table with testdisk, gparted related errors are seen when run from a terminal. The details of this Debian bug report correlate closely:
    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742942
    The fix, if any, may not flow downstream in time to make it into the final LM17 XFCE and KDE installers. I may have to wait for the 17.1 update :-( .

  63. Maren Says:

    Kate + Krusader entries are now shown in both menues – either due to reboot or due to update, I didn’t check before updating (right now).

    To check what happens now for other KDE-related software, I installed kwrite. This is shown immediately in the (additional) Whisker menu but not in the applications menu. So whisker is updated after install of any software, app-menu only after install of non-KDE-software.

    After reboot, both menues contain all entries.

  64. Jeremy Says:

    Is it possible to get compiz working with this? I can’t get it to work

    So far I really like this version, but I would like to have the wobbly windows and other effects.

  65. Adam Says:

    One question, if possible is another Mint, which will stable version for ever, not to until 2019 or another year, only for ever and ever?
    Some people prefer changing version, but I think we have a lot of users who install one version and use for today.

  66. Pjotr Says:

    I’d like to report a bug in Mint 17 Xfce: not all settings options are shown when you click “Settings” in the Whisker menu.

    For *all* settings, you have to click the “All settings” button. That’s a bit confusing, even more so because both the button and the menu entry use the same icon.

  67. Tim Says:

    And vice versa: “All settings” does not include things found in the menu. Software manager and package manager for example.

  68. Stelios Says:

    I have the same problem as #34 & #49, with the 32bit version of Mint 17 MATE. Restart, without the live CD, is not possible (DVI no signal).

  69. Pjotr Says:

    I’ve filed a bug report for the settings menu issue in Mint 17 Xfce:
    https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1331395

    Feel free to endorse it there (by clicking on “this affects me too”). :-)

    Apart from that: Mint 17 Xfce is already a beautiful release, even though it’s still an RC. A fine piece of work. My compliments for the makers!

  70. John Goold Says:

    I cannot swear that the problem I’m going to describe did not exist under LM16 Xfce.

    The basic problem is the backlight on my laptop is not being turned on.

    Hardware: MacBook Pro (2,1 2006); external Samsung SyncMaster PX2370.

    This is the sequence that caused the problem (which I have not yet recovered from — I’m composing this using the external monitor):

    Both monitors running; external monitor “to the right” of the laptop’s. My configuration has a single panel along the left edge of the screen (the laptop’s screen is the primary display at this point). I have an “Actions” item on the panel from which I selected “Lock Screen”. I have a “blank screen” as my screen saver, so both monitors now fade out to “black”. Since the backlight is on for both, meaning they appear somewhat visible when the room is dark, I regularly turn off the external monitor.

    I have, in the past, been leaving the laptop alone at this point; however, last night I remembered that when I use the laptop without the external monitor, closing its lid causes it to turn off the backlight (and opening it again “wakes” it up). So, I thought I’d try that. At this point I closed the lid and sure enough the backlighting was turned off (the MacBook Pro has an Apple logo on the lid that appears somewhat luminescent when the backlighting is on, so it is easy to tell when it’s off). Great, I thought, as I trotted off to bed.

    Today, I came down, opened the lid and turned on the external monitor.

    Nothing happened! The backlighting was not turned on on the laptop’s screen. At the moment (after a lot of mucking around) I have the external monitor running as the primary display — so the machine is usable.

    I tried various things: Closing and then opening the laptop’s lid. Shutdown (used a terminal window) with restart; shutdown with power-off.

    When the laptop boots up, the displays start out mirrored with the login screen displayed on both. The laptop powers up with the backlighting on so the login screen is fully visible on both monitors. However, as I complete logging in, the backlighting on the laptop turns off. It is just the backlighting being turned off as I can see the extremely dim image of what is being displayed on the laptop’s screen (before I got the external monitor set as the primary, I could see the Whisker Menu, VERY dim, on the laptop when I pressed the menu key).

    I assume that when I closed the laptop’s lid, not only was the backlighting turned off, but some setting was written to a configuration/preference file somewhere. If someone knows what that file is, I’d appreciate hearing about it.

    Later today, after I’ve got some chores out of the way, I’ll sit down and figure how to get things back to normal (and I’ll avoid shutting the laptop’s lid after “Locking the Screen”!).

  71. gerry Says:

    Clem,
    using Nemo 2.2.2 in XFCE,
    if I’m in /home/gerry/Downloads, the title bar reads Downloads while the path also shows /home/gerry/Downloads.
    Should the title bar not read Nemo?

    Also in Nemo, should Treeview should be defaulted to on.
    This would give greater emphasis to Home, Public, File System and Trash, over the sub-directories Desktop, Downloads. Videos etc.

    On my version on Nemo, when i do select Treeview, the entries for Trash and Network disappear on the Tree. Am I doing something wrong?

  72. gerry Says:

    In Nemo, on the left hand side,in the treeview, I’m having problems using the cursor keys to expand the tree (arrows).

    I have this folder called “libdvbpsi” under Home. Inside this directory are 6 directories – wince, src, misc, examples, doc and m4.

    On the left hand side, the sidebar, I have an arrow pointing rightwards at libdvbpsi. I press the right cursor key and nothing happens. I press “carriage return” and the 6 directories now appear on the sidebar under libdvbpsi.
    But if i now move over to the right hand side panel where the files and directories are listed, I can use the cursor keys to expand out each of the 6 directories.

    Should we be more consistent with the cursor keys and expanding folders? Also “Tab” and “CTRL + Tab” does not work for me in Nemo, that is correct, yes? I was hoping Tab would move from the sidebar to the list of files and CTRL + TAB would move me back to the Treeview.

  73. dd Says:

    how to activate login and logout sounds?

  74. John Goold Says:

    Update Re: #69

    I found the file “displays.xml”:

    ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml

    one of the properties for the laptop’s display was set as:

    I took a guess and changed it to “true”. Then logged out and back in again. Everything is now back to normal.

    The problem, of course, is getting into that state in the first place!

  75. John Goold Says:

    Hmmm. I guess I cannot type xml into a comment! Re #73, the missing line is

    <property name=”Active” type=”bool” value=”false”/>

  76. John Goold Says:

    There appears to be a timing or boundary condition that interferes with Settings -> Session and Startup -> Application Autostart (tab).

    I have a one-liner to disable the Caps-Lock key (“setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps”). When I boot up and login, the Caps-Lock key is active. If I logout and then login again, it is not active. I’ve noticed this in the past and just opened a terminal window and typed in the command (as “setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps &”) which does work.

  77. John Goold Says:

    I use XFE as my file manager. I leave Thunar installed (I once made the mistake of trying to un-install it!). As it I have to install XFE (i.e. it is not a “default” package), I don’t know whether anyone is interested in the following, intermittent (and hence difficult) problem:

    Sometimes after double-clicking a folder being displayed in XFE to expand it (or double-clicking a file to open it), the screen is not redrawn properly. The screen is not left completely blank, but there are small regions showing what they should be. Clicking on a displayed region will usually cause the screen to be redrawn properly (sometimes it is necessary to click on several different areas before the screen is redrawn properly).

    When I was running LM17 MATE with Xfce installed manually (prior to the RC becoming available), this occurred very frequently. Since running a clean install of LM17 Xfce RC a couple of days ago, the problem occurs quite infrequently… but it does occur from time to time.

  78. John Goold Says:

    #66, 67, & 68

    I always thought, perhaps mistakenly, that the two things (the “All Settings” button bringing up a window from which various grouped settings, such as “Display”, could be chosen; and the “Settings” option in the Whisker Menu were two completely separate entities.

    I suppose the objective is to develop “All Settings” to be exactly that (i.e. all the available, modifiable settings), but there will presumably always be various non-Xfce “setting” type programs for various non-default applications. For example, I’ve never seen any Libre Office settings in either — I don’t expect to see them there and personally I don’t want to see them there.

    Also, I rather like “All Settings” being a bit of a minimalist group of settings — common (very common) things that many people want to change. For less common things, I’m quite happy to click on the Whiskers Menu “Settings” and scroll through the list of settings apps.

    For what it’s worth :)

    Edit by Clem: If it was designed that way yes, but we’re looking at a bug here :) It’s fixed since yesterday though, in mdm 1.6.9. Xfce didn’t like the DM setting XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP.

  79. dd Says:

    Re #75

    thank you for the answer but i don’t know what tot do with this line.
    should be better to be made by the mint team by default.

  80. Nick Says:

    It would be nice if Mint would come up with a more modern and compelling default theme for future releases. I think it could help grow the user base more.

    Thanks for all the hard work.

  81. Some ex-win pc supporter Says:

    … My question, which I will right now also have to pose at forums and I am p***d off to have to search for this by probably really long googling:

    I got Mint 16. With LOTS of proggies and configurations, settings.

    Do I have to now begin from scratch and such? Terrible!

    Can I not “rip up” the Mint 17 over my existing 16, so all stays at it is, only with updated stuff?

    If I can’t do that, I really won’t re-install all those many programs only to then have Mint 17 instead of 16.

    It is not the system itself, but the many addons, programs, which the user installed, and has to have written down with all the hacks, the how-to commands, I mean, this is terrible.

    For someone who comes from the real comfort of windows, this, these, such matters in the linux world ARE a drag.

    ALSO, that I thought, hu, I’d get hiby hibernation LOL running by installing: “tuxonice”, but that destroyed my ATI driver, whose panel simply doesn’t start anymore. I deinstalled tuxonice and then installed the lowlatency-3.11 newest kernel, which is probably, as I now assume, too new for Mint, which needs an older kernel-header, simply.

    Also, only reinstalling grub2 will correct the tuxonice-loader before the OS Mint starts after a (unintended, inappropriate) tuxonice-installation, even, if you deinstalled tuxonice already, but didn’t yet reinstall grub2. Then, the tuxonice-loader text is still as is, displayed in the bootmenu of grub2 before the OS starts.

    You know, I wanna I need to, ta relax, also, sometimes, in between. I can’t, as I have done over the YEARS, always ONLY sit there, really stubbornly, learningly, unyieldingly, — I have done that. Now, I know stuff, you know.

    Because of a spray can for (alleged) de-dusting, even TWO, my two most powerful computers, were, are now, broken, completely, hardware-mainboard-wise, on them was, on BOTH, one a stationary PC, the other a PC laptop: WIN8. IT SEEMS to DESTROY older hardware — or it was only that spraycan.

    Linux IS definitely handling hardware now with more care than windoof, AND Linux IS totally, if one uses pglgui, safe on the net, BUT:

    STILL, Linux has STILL unchangedly MAJOR flaws of usage, simply. Linux IS NOT easy to use at all.

    I remark that by realising, that I as a Linux user, which I am only since one year on my small laptop, a mid-strong one with 2 CPUs and 4GB RAM and 256MB Graphics, that I should know, which kernel is the correct one, the latest one, for Linux Mint 16.

    But the answer to such a question consists of many complicated things. I suddenly CAN now understand the people, for whom computers are really the last bull, really. I do not share their blind hatred, because all can be used either for good or bad, which they simply ignore, namely by blaming objects, and not the deeders, who use those objects, simply. A computer will never be a person. “mister data” will remain a fiction, also “1 robot”, the will smith movie.

    It’s better so. Believe me. The monsters, we don’t wanna conjure them up.

    All is very sad. Many people simply buy a mac, when macs ARE easy to use, but their system looks terrible, and is unsafe on the net as are windows systems.

    Linux would have been even better, if the whole comfort would be higher, more advanced.

    Many flaws, errors, mistakes of the system and inconveniences of all sorts still drag people away from the real expert system of Linux and keep the doofuses and it-easy-wanna-havers at the windows-bay, unchangedly.

    I can not anymore say, that I’d see “SO” many people who use Linux. It is rather a student’s thing. I can say, Linux treats hardware better than the old ipodlinux LOL with its mac-destroying “ARM” processor false steering which killed my IPod batterywise back then.

    Now, I am only a half-nerd, or rather, a quarter-nerd. Besides that, I am musician, and musicians ARE impatient and psychotic and not so unoften angry, bitter Beings, who focus their beauty and thought into the only thing they love: music.

    I need computers for music recording and now have no dough to even buy a new machine. I will have to next month starve, but I’ll buy together some good pieces for a supercheap price under 400 dollars and then quad and intelx7 or whats it called and 32MB RAM that won’t fit into 400 dollars HMPF it’ll be some 600 dollars :(
    :)

    GOF2 forever.

    Edit by Clem: Welcome to Linux. You don’t need to read it all, in fact you don’t need to read anything. You can use Mint the way it is and take our word when we suggest you don’t engage in risky/advanced use cases. Of course there’s more out there for the adventurous and curious people who are eager to learn. I can show you how to upgrade your system without reinstalling anything and you can take the risk to break your system without learning anything about APT. So here it is: To upgrade to Mint 17, edit all files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d (and /etc/apt/sources.list), replace all occurences of petra with qiana, and saucy with trusty, open a terminal and type “apt update”, then “apt upgrade” and then “apt dist-upgrade”. It goes without saying that before you engage in running system commands you don’t understand you should make a backup of the system so you’re able to get back to the current state, if things were to go wrong. It’s also worth mentioning that the reason we don’t make it trivial for people to upgrade is because it’s a bad idea for novice users to do so.

  82. Some ex-win pc supporter Says:

    yea MB haha MB präsentiert (german for “presents”, a german game company of board games :)

    GB it is. :) Great Britain Gigabytes. :)

  83. Some ex-win pc supporter Says:

    and for comparative fairness, my last post here:

    Yes, also Win8 can not be upgraded-to from for example WinXP or XP64.

    I simply say, I have installed REALLY many programs. I will google it up in some half hour of course, if I can simply “rip up”, install Mint 17 OVER my existing Mint 16. I would hope — and EVEN expect so in the case of Mint, which promises a “hole-free workflow”, from what I understood of how it’s used, — all so fine, but okay, LOTS more stuff running than in the somewhat less comfortable, but slacked-down Lubuntu, which I used and will always (!) use for inside virtual machines.

    Edit by Clem: All you have to do is switch the APT sources to qiana/trusty and perform a dist-upgrade. It’s trivial. What’s not trivial, but nonetheless really important, is to understand the risks associated with it. You should try Mint 17 and its newer kernel to know if it agrees with your hardware prior to upgrading to it, you should know how to resolve package conflicts, upgrade issues and whatnot in case you get stuck half-way through, you should know how to resume an unfinished upgrade in case something goes wrong before the system is finished upgrading etc etc… I’m not saying it will go bad.. many people perform this kind of upgrade without any APT knowledge (Ubuntu actually recommends doing so), but I can’t honestly recommend it without insisting on the fact that it there is a risk there. Note that Mint 17 will go all the way to 2019 and that it will be both trivial and safe to upgrade to 17.x in the 2+ years to come. Between 16 and 17 though, there’s a base jump and that’s not 100% safe.

  84. Morris Says:

    How many instances appear in Idle?

  85. runEd Says:

    I’ve created a LM17 Qiana 32 bit xfce iso disc. Its currently running fine on an HP Pavillion DV5 laptop. Broadcom wireless card and audio work automatically. Great Work !!

  86. tasos Says:

    Hi ! My computer is a Lenovo G500 laptop with dual graphics; Intel HD and Radeon 8570M. I can’t boot the 64 bit version. The 32 bit version runs properly with nomodeset option during boot. I wish somothing was done with the 64 bit version.
    Thanks in advance.

  87. Thomas C, UK Says:

    Installed Mint 17 Xfce RC, replacing 16 Xfce. All went smoothly, except the GDebi Package Installer refused to install Scrivener 1.6.1.1 BETA DEB file. It’s the exact same file I’ve used with previous releases of Mint. Other DEB files still install OK.

    Work-around: install by extracting from the Scrivener-1.6.1.1-beta.tar.gz

    –Thomas.

  88. tycho Says:

    The question is allready asked ( 61 ) , but again: why a minumum resolution 1024×768 when mint xfce would be the distro of choice for netbooks with 1024×600 resolution ?

  89. Maren Says:

    Thank you for bringing me back my complete menu, Clem!!! :-D

    Edit by Clem: You’re welcome :) I’m not finished though… I’ll update libgarcon to remove the duplicates between the Settings and System categories.

  90. Sebastien Says:

    @Jeremy (64) about compiz:

    While time goes, I find installing compiz becomes less and less trivial… But since some Compiz features are must have (how can you live without expo ?), this worth the try.

    I realized that checking the same plugins / options with ccsm in Mint 17 does not provide the exact same config file that you would obtain in Mint13. It seems to me that the order plugins appear on the line makes them to be loaded this way and this may be why it does not work. Another issue I have was that ccsm would not keep my selection. So for instance, each time I relogged the window decorator plugin was unchecked (and this plugin is required !). Well, at the end I finally copied the compiz config file I had on my Mint13 xfce onto Mint17 xfce and everything went fine by magic.

    One thing still does not work though: using static window switcher plugin you’re supposed to be able to click the window you want to select; this feature does not work (note that it does not work with Xubuntu ether; if Mint correct this, this will likely benefit upstream users too).

    I wish I could install Emerald to pick a better window theme. Note that the one you have by default in Xubuntu (without Emerald) looks pretty good to me; I wish I could find how to have it on Mint 17.

    Ah, one last thing that is rather important for Compiz users: the whisker menu pops up as soon as you press the “super” key (the Windows TM key to be honest). Whereas the keyboard shortcut definition mention that it shoud pop up (only) with Super+L. As a result you cannot call Compiz effects that use super key; for instance I cannot call my lovin’ expo which is bound to Super+S shortcut. And I did not manage to disable the “xfce4-popup-whiskermenu” shortcut in the xfce parameter panel.

  91. Thomas Says:

    @Sebastien
    I don’t have XFCE installed, but i am pretty sure you misread the shortcut: The left super key is denotes as
    Super_L (no plus, but underscore), as opposed to the right super key Super_R.
    Therefore it is only one button, no L-key involved. You have to change the shortcut to
    Super_L+L to get your expected behaviour

  92. Dave Says:

    Excellent. Just done an update and the menu options in the Application Menu are all sorted – thanks!

    Is everyone else missing the scroll arrows in scrollbars, i.e. an up arrow at the top of the scrollbar and a down arrow at the bottom? Or are they not there by default anyway?

  93. Simon L Says:

    Just testing XFCE and after an update, plymouth seems to not work. Any ideas? I’m using it on an Acer C720 chromebook. It’s not all that important, I’m just curious for a solution.

    Edit by Clem: Which update was it? By “not work” you mean you can’t boot anymore? or you’re just missing the splash logo?

  94. pingpong Says:

    I’m using a HP Elitebook 8540w. There was a shutdown bug in Mint 16 XFCE where it wouldn’t. The system would shut stuff down, go to a black blinky cursor screen or something, then stop, and occasionally the wifi LED would blink. Any idea if that’s been fixed?

    It may be related to the Bluetooth regression, as I was one of the poor sods who installed that image before the update rolled out.

  95. Rick Says:

    I am brand new to Linux. I made the switch from Windows 8, so I have a lot to learn. So far the interface has been easy to use and all of the documents that I brought over from Office 2010 have been accessible. So far this has been a great change. Now to start walking up the learning curve.

  96. Sebastien Says:

    @Thomas

    You’re right, my mistake. The thing now is that I’m unable to edit the shortcuts. Editing the entry seems to go fine but it actually creates another one. And ‘remove’ only works on the one I’ve created; can’t delete the ‘default’ one. If I run setting manager as root I can delete entries (but the list is not mine, it’s root’s). Seems that the user does not have rights to edit default shortcut entries.

    So I edited the config file “/etc/xdg/xdg-default/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml” as root, deleted the Super_L entry, save and logout. No longer Super_L entry in the setting manager, whisker menu no longer pops up when pressing Super key and compiz expo shows up as expected when invoking Super+S. Made it.

    Not sure this is the proper way to proceed though… ;-)

  97. Sebastien Says:

    I missed synapse. Kepfer is no longer available. So I grab synapse_0.2.8.2-1ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb from Mint13 and installed it on Mint17 with Gdebi. Works fine so far.

  98. rkmugen Says:

    @Sebastien

    I shot an email to the author of whisker menu to ask him if there’s anything he can do (for the next version, maybe) to make it so that users can define their own custom key events (key-press/key-hold/key-release) to trigger the appearance or hiding of the whisker menu. No response as of yet. I don’t mess around with source code myself, since I’m not a programmer. What’s more is that I have no idea if this is a limitation of XFCE itself or not.

  99. james0r Says:

    Still unable to change whisker menu shortcut as described here -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1262762

  100. james0r Says:

    Aside from that, the new release looks great! Glad LM went with xscreensaver as Screen Locker was broken out of the box on Xubuntu 14.04.

  101. Simon L Says:

    93 (cont): I’m just missing the splash. I had changed to the numix splash screen, which worked fine up to an update. As I say, not super urgent.

  102. tycho Says:

    I decided to just look whether it would work or not. Did a upgrade via apt-get on my netbook and everything seems to keep working in 1024×600 resolution. Glad to have a LTS release now

    Greatings , Tycho

  103. dd Says:

    if somebody needs synapse is here a raring deb file. it works very well with mint 17 xfce:

    https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synapse/0.2.10-2ubuntu2/+build/4515112

  104. John Goold Says:

    I thought the “lock screen” had been co-ordinated with the “login screen” (and that the handling of the login screen had been rationalized across all Linux Mint desktop environments).

    When I click “Lock Screen” and then move the mouse or click the shift key on my keyboard to “wake up” the system, I see the clunky “Xscreensaver” password screen/window/dialog (whatever it is called). That, of course, looks nothing like the rather nice Mint login display.

    Is this a defect or am I simply mistaken about how this should work? If so, it’s a real pity as that password screen is jarring (to me — the style may suit many others).

  105. John Goold Says:

    Update (CLOSE) #77

    I’m embarrassed to admit it, but somehow during my upgrade to LM17, I got an (almost) duplicate entry in the Session Startup list. Conky was being started twice :( I don’t even want to think through how that caused problems (the screen flicker as well as the re-drawing problem).

    I have no idea how it happened (the duplicate entry had a description that I would never have created — it had the actual command in parentheses as part of the description). However, I have to assume it was “User Error” (i.e. my error). Sorry for the misleading post.

  106. james0r Says:

    Also, function key for disabling touchpad on my Asus x45c isn’t working on LM 17 Xfce. I think this was the case with 15 and 16 as well. Seems to work fine with all other distros I try though. A simple script remedies this but I thought i’d mention it anyway.

  107. Sebastien Says:

    @dd(#103)

    Thanks ! I previously pick the one from Maya (which seem to work fine for Min17 as well); you’re suggestion is more up to date

  108. Sebastien Says:

    @rkmugen:

    Whisker is just the target of the shortcut. It could be any app else .The issue deals with xfce setting (and more precisely “mint-configuration-xfce” as far as I can see). I don’t see excatly what idea is behind the location of this config file. What I did is move the config file from system dir /usr/share/mint-configuration-xfce to user’s config dir “~/.config”:

    sudo mv /usr/share/mint-configuration-xfce/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/

    This way the user inherits default shortcuts and is able to edit/remove them. I think this is the expected behaviour.

  109. Jimbo Says:

    Thanks for the new release, a great job! I had Cinnamon on my main PC (ASRock H55M/USB3 m/b) and played with xfce on an old laptop (Toshiba Satellite A200). I’ve now installed xfce on the main PC as it’s totally preferable in my opinion, and very, very quick.

  110. david Says:

    So far no noticeable problems with Mint17 Xfce RC. Having an AMD chipset, I had expected a certain amount of tinkering to get it installed and running satisfactorily (Mint13 was a bit involved on my PC) but pleasantly surprised with 17.
    To repeat an earlier question posted, when the final release is available, is there any requirement to do a complete clean install, or just upgrade via synaptic package manager?

    Many thanks

  111. ridgerunner Says:

    … just installed, and there is no /etc/apt/sources.list file … could someone please post that file for me? Thank you!

    Updater still works and has downloaded and installed about 300 meg of updates and I am now up to date. Cannot run gparted as it is complaining about the missing file! ridgerunner

  112. Mauricio Hernández Says:

    David, there’s no need to do a complete clean install, you just run the update manager and you’ll have the final release.

  113. Alastair Black Says:

    Clem, et al,
    I used LM15 (Xfce) a year ago and it was so good that I installed it on all four of my desktops and a Toshiba NB505 (some of them dual-booting). Superb!
    Now I have tried LM17LTS (Xfce) on my most problematical machine and I am shocked to find I have no words to describe how effortless the transition was. (I don’t think ‘superlativer’ is a proper adverb, but maybe we should use it anyway.) The simple /etc/pm/sleep.d code to remove/modprobe the Via Chrome module for the NIC still works faultlessly.
    Thank you so much.
    Alastair Black

  114. david Says:

    Many thanks Mauricio.

  115. NickinFr Says:

    Hello,

    I’m here to represent the older generation. ;-) I have been recommending Linux Mint 13 xfce to replace XP, mainly for users aged 50+, and I look forward to moving to 17 xfce.

    What I like:
    - improved contrast in the standard Mint-X theme;
    - the LM plymouth splash screen (good for user confidence that a slow machine is actually doing something!);
    - whisker menu

    What disappoints:
    - loss of scroll arrows (see also #34, #59, #92)
    - Language selection no longer loads l10n packages (e.g., LibreOffice, Thunderbird) and there is no option to have localised date, time and currency different to main language locale. (I’m in France, but my locale preference is en_GB.)

    Still missing:
    - a ‘large print’ version of the Mint-X theme to suit poorer eyesight and a not-too-steady mouse hand of my customers, but keeping the great look of the standard theme (I really should do something myself for that =O );
    - a quick and easy remaster method to produce an installation iso with the latest updates and preferred customisations (hint: I miss mintconstructor).

    But mainly, thank you for the commitment to xfce. Donation coming at the end of this quarter, when I add up the number of installations so far this year.

  116. ZJU hacker Says:

    WOW, NICE!!!

  117. daniel Says:

    Noob here. Is this version slower/less responsive than LM13 on old machines?

  118. SunWorks Says:

    I agree with NickinFr on some major points:

    - the LM plymouth splash screen (good for user confidence that a slow machine is actually doing something!);

    That is huge. When a user is faced with a blank screen, I have seen fear appear and when there is fear of a new thing, fear of nothing happening, there are no good outcomes. Seeing the splash screen keeps twitching fingers from doing damage.

    Another item I wish for customers is the ability to easily “lock down” the menu panel.
    It’s amazing to me how anxious users can destroy their desktop by clicking too fast or when they should be patient.

    Locking down the desktop panel settings would be a great safety measure for people I know using Mint XFCE (and Cinnamon).

    I also wish for this:
    - a quick and easy remaster method to produce an installation iso with the latest updates and preferred customisations (hint: I miss mintconstructor)

    THANK YOU!

  119. Tim Says:

    I cannot change my name using the Users & Groups. It just displays a message box saying something like “Cannot be saved” and “An unknown error occurred”.

  120. John Goold Says:

    Re: #79

    Hi dd, my apologies. I had a typo. My post #75 referred to my immediately preceding post (#74), not #73. Sorry for the confusion.

    I wish there were a way to edit one’s posts rather than typos, grammatical errors, etc., being cast in concrete!

  121. John Goold Says:

    Re: #111

    I just launched gparted. No problems with it. I installed it using the Software Manager. How did you install it?

  122. John Goold Says:

    I posted an issue with screen redrawing when using XFE (ref: #77) and found an error that appeared to account for the problem (ref: #105).

    In fact, there appears to be quite some fragility in how the screen(s) is redrawn. The double starting of Conky (ref: #105) caused problems, but I just discovered another and I don’t think it is “user error”.

    I was refining my desktop appearance and turned on “compositing”:

    All Settings —> Window Manager Tweaks —> Compositor
    and check “Enable display compositing”.

    Lo and behold, the fragmented screen redrawing problem (when using XFE) returned. I was particularly tired at the time, so it wasn’t until a couple of hours after the problem started manifesting itself that I realized what was probably causing it.

    I turned off compositing and the problem appears to have “gone away”
    ______________________

    Here’s my specific setup that caused the problem:

    Conky-All package installed.
    The “Conky Metro Clock” installed (shows the date & time on the desktop).
    In the panel preferences —> Appearance, set the Alpha channel so that the panel background is totally transparent. One cannot set this, or have the setting have any effect, unless compositing is turned on (so I turned it on).

    This means the icons, buttons, etc., displayed in the panel show up, but just appear to be aligned very well. The desktop background picture appears to fill the whole screen.

    With compositing turned off, my panel has a black background (chosen for another reason), but since my background picture is very dark at the left edge (where the panel is), it blends in quite well.

    Is there perhaps some category of packages (programs) that trigger this problem the way XFE does?

  123. Shadow Says:

    Hi,

    When the final version?

    Thank You .

  124. Vinn Says:

    how do i get it to run on a NON-PAE system? would like to upgrade my Thinkpad T42 ( running mint 13 xfce right now)

  125. david Says:

    Anyone had any problems with blueman bluetooth manager. Installed and connects to devices, but reports stream error (no sound).

    Cheers.

  126. Tim Says:

    @Vinn / Re: 124 Check the release notes: http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_qiana_xfce.php

  127. Jep Says:

    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/linuxmint.com/stable/17/linuxmint-17-xfce-dvd-64bit.iso

    Clem, could you tell me if this is the final version?

    Congrats and thanks in advance.

    Jep.

  128. Martha Says:

    Well done, everything seems to work well.

    Une seule réserve, plusieurs fautes d’orthographe semblent être apparues dans la version française (“éxécuter”…). Pas grave.

    Thanks a lot for this great new Linux Mint.

  129. Doolish Says:

    Thank you to Clem & the lm xfce team.

    Just done an update and, and, and lm17 xfce RC has just recognized my external wide screen monitor!.

    Full 16:9 aspect and crisp clear display.

    Acer Travelmate 4150, Intel 915 chipset, an old but yet near indestructible notebook is now fully back from the dead.

    Thankyou.

  130. John Goold Says:

    More on the screen redraw issue (#122)

    I installed SolydX (Xfce desktop directly on Debian rather than Xfce on Ubuntu based on Debian). My install is completely up to date and mimics exactly my LM17 XFCE RC. It does not exhibit the screen draw problem (conflict between compositor and Conky-All).

    …for what ever it is worth.

    Which brings up my biggest issue: What is the long-term plan regarding Linux Mint vs Linux Mint Debian Edition? Will the two projects eventually “merge”, i.e. will LMDE become the only Linux Mint? And if so, what about support for KDE & Xfce?

    Though I am a great fan of Linux Mint, I am probably going to stick with SolydX… at least until there is a solid Linux Mint XFCE based directly on Debian (which may be years away, if ever).

    I will be upgrading my wife’s machine from LM16 XFCE to LM17 XFCE when it reaches “stable”. She can check out my installation and switch to SolydX if she wants — I doubt she will switch though, she is very happy with Linux Mint (I guess I really sold her on it!).

  131. Gary Fisher Says:

    Still my favourite Mint Distro. Hoping that AMD A-series support can be improved as it was a big job to get it working. Default video drive crashes x-window… Always willing to help test any ideas! Thanks Clem!!

  132. Hugo González M Says:

    What’s so hard about installing LMDE and then installing XFCE? Sure, it will be uglier than SolidX, but that’s the way to go to have them both.

  133. John Goold Says:

    I tried LMDE some time ago. It wasn’t ready for prime time. Additionally, I don’t want to install Xfce over the top of a cinnamon or MATE install.


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