Upgrading: x64 edition, version 7 to version 8

Written by Clem on Saturday, January 16th, 2010 @ 12:56 pm | Main Topics

Warnings:

  • This upgrade path is for the x64 Edition only, from a Mint 7 Gloria system to a Mint 8 Helena system.
  • There is no guarantee that it will work for you. In fact this is quite a risky process. If you’re experienced and if you know how to troubleshoot and solve common Linux problems (in particular X11, kernel modules and APT problems) then you’re probably OK. If you’re a novice user we recommend you perform a fresh installation of Linux Mint 8 instead.
  • You should make backups of all your data before upgrading.

Upgrading vs a fresh install:

The recommended way to install Linux Mint 8 is to download and burn the liveCD. Another alternative is to upgrade your existing system as detailed in this blog post. Note that we do not recommend you to do this and we insist on the fact that you know the pros and cons associated with it and the risks involved in doing so.

Pros:

  • With an upgrade, you keep the software you previously installed, you don’t need to reinstall it again as you would after a fresh installation of Linux Mint.
  • With an upgrade, you keep your settings and your documents, you don’t need to restore them from a backup. Note that you can also do this with a fresh installation by using a dedicated home partition and that no matter which way you’re upgrading or performing a fresh installation, you should ALWAYS make a backup of your personal data.

Cons:

  • Upgrading is slow, because you need to download the new versions of all the packages. In comparison, the liveCD contains about 2.5GB of compressed data in a single download of less than 700MB and the fresh installation takes between 10 and 15 minutes. Consequently, it’s much faster to perform a fresh installation of Linux Mint than upgrading your existing one.
  • Depending on what’s installed in your system, package upgrades can trigger complicated conflicts. If you’re experienced with APT you’ll probably know how to solve the problem. If you’re not, you could end up half-way between Mint 7 and Mint 8, and if you’re unlucky even with an unusable system.
  • There’s a code-freeze before Ubuntu gets released, and then testing goes on. The same happens with the Linux Mint release, and so what you end up running when you perform a fresh installation is a system that is known to us for its statibility and which has been thouroughly tested. An upgrade applies all available package updates no matter how unsafe they are, from level 1 to level 5, so if there are regressions in these updates you’ll get your system impacted by them.
  • With every new kernel, there are differences related to hardware support. To know if your hardware is fully recognized by the new Linux Mint release you should try out the liveCD and check that things work before making the decision to install or to update your system. There are have been numerous people saying that their wireless cards, their sound device or some other part of their system was recognized with the prior version of Linux Mint or Ubuntu and didn’t work as expected anymore. For some people, the latest release isn’t necessarily the right one. It’s better to be safe than sorry, so if you’re going to download the liveCD to check your hardware support anyway, you may as well go for a fresh install and avoid downloading things twice.

Comparison with Ubuntu:

  • Upgrading Ubuntu is not safer than upgrading Linux Mint. It’s equally risky.
  • Ubuntu doesn’t mention the risks involved in package and release upgrades. Their policy is to fix whatever gets broken and to assume that the regressions caused on your system will get solved by future upgrades.
  • Linux Mint insists on these risks and recommends a prudent approach to upgrades. Our policy is to avoid possible regressions by being selective on the updates we recommend to you.
  • Upgrading Ubuntu is easy, and easier than upgrading Linux Mint. It shouldn’t be though, and if there’s any risk involved in you braking your system, then the least we can do is to write a long boring post about it, to make you think twice about doing it, and to throw warning signs at you before you click on the shiny button :)

Upgrading graphically (easier):

  • Open a terminal and type the following commands: “apt update” and “apt install mint-upgrade-tool-x64”
  • Open mintMenu and run “Menu->Administration->Upgrade to Linux Mint 8″
  • Follow the instructions.
  • If asked, always choose “Replace”.
  • If asked, always choose “I”.
  • When finished, reboot the computer.
  • Change your wallpaper to “Fresh” and your theme to “Shiki-Wise”
  • Run the upgrade tool from the menu again and let the upgrade tool finish all the way to the end.

Upgrading from the command line (faster):

Open a terminal and type the following commands:

  • gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list (Change all occurrences of “gloria” to “helena”, and all occurences of “jaunty” to “karmic”, remove the lines for the Community section of the Linux Mint repository, then save the file and close the editor)
  • apt update
  • apt install mint-info-x64 (choose “Y” or “I” to install the package maintainer’s version)
  • apt install mint-meta-x64(choose “Y” or “I” to install the package maintainer’s version)

In the terminal, repeat the following commands until both upgrade commands show no upgrades available:

  • apt upgrade
  • apt dist-upgrade
  • apt install mint-meta-x64
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Troubleshooting:

Firefox:
If after the upgrade your Firefox installation stills shows up as “Shiretoko” or if the search engines aren’t working, try the following commands:
  • apt remove firefox-3.0 firefox-3.0-branding
  • apt remove firefox-3.5
  • apt clean
  • apt install moonlight-plugin-mozilla
  • apt install mint-meta-x64
mintMenu:
If the menu is empty and you can’t see any applications, right click on the menu button in the panel and select “Reload plugins”.

18 Responses to “Upgrading: x64 edition, version 7 to version 8”

  1. Androiders Says:

    I think there are two typos in the “command line” description.
    Shouldnt it be
    # apt install mint-info-x64 (choose “Y” or “I” to install the package maintainer’s version)
    # apt install mint-meta-x64(choose “Y” or “I” to install the package maintainer’s version)

    it says mint-info-main…

  2. Androiders Says:

    What i meant with my previous post was of course “Great work! :)
    I am writing this from an upgraded system so for me it works. But i had to use the graphical method

  3. Dan Gentry Says:

    With the upgrade being so scary, and a fresh install a big bother (reinstalling and configuring other software), I’ll likely wait until a release contains a compelling feature or until support for v7 ceases.

    I did, of course, install v8 on a new machine.

  4. Ray Woods Says:

    I originally set my system up with a separate /home partition so when I came to update it was just a matter of renaming my home directory name then doing the install for 8.

    If we made a separate home partition the norm, this would cease to be a problem.

    Have a look at http://www.tuxradar.com/content/reviewed-linux-mint-8 for the UK’s Linux Format’s look at mint and the last line says it all!

    “Our verdict: One of the best examples of what can be done standing on the shoulders of giants. 9/10″

  5. Clem Says:

    Adroiders: Fixed typos. Thanks for pointing them out.

  6. Vince Says:

    The graphical upgrade method has worked for me; the /home was not separate.

  7. chicagonpg Says:

    I have heard that you can do an upgrade by installing the next version without reformating.Just do everything but don’t select format. This will replace the old packages with the new ones. I haven’t tried this,I heard it on the Ubuntu UK podcast. Just putting it out their if somebody wanted to try. But always BACKUP the data just in case.

  8. rijnsma Says:

    I did a new install of 32 bits. So maybe this question is not very relevant here.

    Strange question perhaps:
    Is it not possible to make it possible in future to do upgrading the way Mint-update does the work?

  9. Mintylamb Says:

    I use 32 bit edition because my pc only has 1 gig ram.

  10. Edward Comer Says:

    First upgrade pass ended with errors. Second pass completed successfully. It would be nice to have an unattended upgrade – having to answer all of the questions is a pain when with an unattended upgrade I could do something else during this time.

  11. andrew Says:

    I have a separate /home. Why do you have to rename? Will it be erased?

  12. Theo Says:

    Running Mint7 on AMD64 (about 9 months now), 2004 model Gateway 64 laptop, 7405GX; my major complaint is that Firefox (and others) crash and burn on my machine. I am willing to try Mint8 even with the hassles of new install, ; if browsers crash, then I have no longer the time for Linux (at least on this platform), in all its rebellious glory.
    I have had the Apple Jones lately, but playing with one today at BB, I was thinking that Mint Linux was only a few feet from that appearance – and Gnu/Linux has the game in intriguing new software.

  13. kumo Says:

    Despite some known problems with the webcam (only works with Ubuntu 8.4, I can’t understand it) the upgrade of my laptop was fine for me (errors on first upgrade pass as above; And some items not shown on Menu; Separate /home). But in GRUB is showing Linux Mint 7 Gloria, but with the new kernel, is it normal?

  14. Jorge Says:

    Upgraded from 7 to 8 succesfully a few hours ago. Used the graphical method. I had to run it 4 times for it to finish without any errors. Very satisfied. So far everything works as it is supposed to. Thank you for the possibility of upgrading without having to format and reinstall. I very much appreciate not having to reinstall and configure all the software. Thanks again.


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