Linux Mint 13 “Maya” RC released!

Written by Clem on Wednesday, May 16th, 2012 @ 4:18 pm | Main Topics

The team is proud to announce the release of Linux Mint 13 “Maya” RC.

Available in two editions, Linux Mint 13 features the choice between a productive, stable and mature MATE 1.2 desktop and the brand new modern-looking and exciting Cinnamon 1.4. These two desktops are among the best available, they’re perfectly integrated within Linux Mint and represent great alternatives to Gnome 2 users. Linux Mint 13 is also an LTS (Long Term Support) release and it will be supported until April 2017.


MATE Edition Cinnamon Edition


New features at a glance:

For a complete overview and to see screenshots of the new features, visit: “What’s new in Linux Mint 13“.

Important info:

  • Windows popping behind the installer
  • Mint4Win
  • Desktop icons in Cinnamon

Make sure to read the “Release Notes” to be aware of important info or known issues related to this release.

System requirements:

  • x86 processor (Linux Mint 64-bit requires a 64-bit processor. Linux Mint 32-bit works on both 32-bit and 64-bit processors).
  • 512 MB RAM (1GB recommended for a comfortable usage).
  • 5 GB of disk space
  • Graphics card capable of 800×600 resolution
  • CD/DVD drive or USB port

Bug reports:

Please report any bug you may find by leaving a comment on this blog.

Download:

Md5 sum:

  • MATE 32-bit: 3c86a1f6d203a953ddd62f974707dad5
  • MATE 64-bit: 776a2e820362833cdbb056c035a5f2c1
  • Cinnamon 32-bit: aa1af21ba8196148a801196ec68dae87
  • Cinnamon 64-bit: 3786b11fa3a28dcfc3941295e872c4ce

Torrents:

HTTP Mirrors for the MATE 32-bit DVD ISO:

HTTP Mirrors for the MATE 64-bit DVD ISO:

HTTP Mirrors for the Cinnamon 32-bit DVD ISO:

HTTP Mirrors for the Cinnamon 64-bit DVD ISO:

Enjoy!

We look forward to receiving your feedback. Thank you for using Linux Mint and have a lot of fun testing the release candidate!

714 Responses to “Linux Mint 13 “Maya” RC released!”

  1. Isak Andersson Says:

    Excellent!

    I’ll probably stay on Chakra though. But I might load this up in a VM or something :)

  2. MasterPJ Says:

    Damn great job Clem! Both mate and cinnamon versions are just wonderful!
    But one thing does not work for me: in cinnamon version, installed on virtualbox, if i try to login into gnome classic session i get this error:
    “Xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2); falling back to default session”.
    I also tried, just to see, to install gnome shell and it’s always the same.
    Thanks for this amazing Maya ;)

  3. coleman Says:

    Putting this in a VirtualBox right away!

  4. Dale F Says:

    Clem, Already have LM13 Mate installed, it looks great. THANK YOU!

  5. Chris Were Says:

    Nice one guys =D

  6. Shiv Singh Says:

    i am install just now nice and cool looking. great graphics support.

  7. Chris Were Says:

    Will there be a Gnome 3 standard option?

    Edit by Clem: You can install gnome-shell from the repositories. It was reported that there was a problem with it in MDM, which we’ll fix as soon as possible.

  8. Jussi Kivekäs Says:

    Will either one of these be considered as “main edition” of Linux Mint 13?

    Edit by Clem: There’s no need to make this decision until the stable release, and even then it will depend on user feedback, and how we implement the distribution of Linux Mint to OEM manufacturers, partners and magazines. If I was to recommend Linux Mint to somebody who didn’t know which edition to choose, I would recommend MATE, because it works everywhere and because it’s in continuity with our previous successful releases. There’s a reflexion to be had about whether or not we need to put emphasis on a “main” edition, and how we do it. The feedback from the RC will teach us things, so let’s wait and see for now :)

  9. Tim V-B Says:

    Really looking forward to trying this out. I’m on LM10 (Julia) which is no longer supported.

    BUT… I find the ‘file-browser-applet’ utterly essential to the way I work. Is this supported, or is there any equivalent (Mate or Cinnamon)?

    Edit by Clem: I don’t think so. With that said, it’s easy to port it from Gnome 2 to MATE, and it’s easy to code one for Cinnamon. I’ll introduce the idea in both projects.

  10. Danko8321 Says:

    Hello, Clem; amazing job in the Maya release. I love the Cinnamon release, pretty solid and the theme and background collection is simply beautiful. However, I have found three issues with it:

    1) Banshee doesn’t integrate right away with the Sound Applet. Banshee creates it’s own icon in the panel and stays that way until the shell is restarted; when the shell has been restarted once with Banshee open, this issue doesn’t happen again.

    2) Desktop fonts don’t change if System fonts are modified; I use Bitstream Charter for everything (yes, even monospace :P ) and the Desktop is the only part of the session where the font isn’t changed.

    3) For some reason, the Polkit dialog bounces between GTK2 and GTK3, hapening that if you, say, want to join a Wifi network one of them will appear (I have found them in any order) and if you hit cancel you still have to remove the other one. This issue was also present in Mint 12; perhaps a bit of GTK2 code wasn’t cleaned?

    Anyway, other than that, this release is looking quite amazing and I can’t wait for the Stable version to come (of course, take all the time you need; the more stable the better :) ). Cheers and Kudos. Danko.

    Edit by Clem: Thanks for the detailed feedback Danko. For Banshee, we enabled the systray icon despite the fact that Cinnamon doesn’t need it so that it would be compatible with all DEs out there (MATE and Xfce in particular).

  11. Kirk M Says:

    @Chris Were – You should only have to install “gnome-shell” which is in the repositories (this should install all needed dependencies). This would work best if you install the “Cinnamon” edition LM 13 though and then install “gnome-shell”. Once that’s done you’ll be able to select which DE you wish to run from the login menu.

  12. fixus971 Says:

    Hi, my favorite is Cinnamon but today make a big scrap of images in memory as desktop and lose all normal desktop icons. Now all is ok. Using HTOP I discover that I cant Exit because F10 is grabbed by terminal window as shortcut form menu.
    My favorite distro remain Linux Mint 11 but
    Tomorrow I’ll try Mint 13. Thanks.

  13. Brad Says:

    Can’t wait to test drive LM 13 RC! When will the final release come out?

    Edit by Clem: That depends on how many bugs you find :)

  14. Esteban Says:

    Mint 13 Cinnamon 64bit edition on a Lenovo B570.
    Not a single hiccup, just perfect!

  15. José Manuel Says:

    Very well, I got the two versions of Linux Mint 13 RC, both are felt very fast, in Live DVD, especially with the MATE desktop version. The desktop Cinnamon did not load on my machine, since it still needs graphics acceleration, so I loaded a desktop fallback mode (Gnome 3) that really works very well.-

    Otherwise, I found a big ugly bug in Both Editions: They have problems to connecting to the Internet, cost me several times using the Network Manager and I recognized the connection to the Internet, nor walked me using “sudo pppoeconf” in terminal. Hopefully this is corrected in the final version should be borne in account that it is an LTS version.- Thanks Clem and the Linux Mint Team !!!!

  16. fenerbahce Says:

    does it support nvidia swithable graphics cards (optimus)by default or we will have to install some software like bumblebee?

  17. Mauro Says:

    This distribution is wonderful :)
    Congratulations on the excellent work Clem.

  18. istok Says:

    oh well this looks seriously good. haven’t installed it anywhere yet, running off USB, but will do later to test it for a friend. i can’t imagine anyone will have a reason to complain about missing gnome 2 after this release.

  19. Esteban Says:

    @Danko8321
    To change the desktop icon fonts in Cinnamon editio, install dconf-tools package then open dconf-editor from your menu and navigate to org/gnome/nautilus/desktop, you’ll see the “font” entry. Change its value to whatever you like (for example: Sans 9).

    Edit by Clem: Much simpler, open Cinnamon Settings and click on “Fonts” ;)

  20. Ken Scharf Says:

    Great news! I’m waiting for the KDE version, guess the first RC for that will come out after the final version on the Mate/Cinnamon edition does. If 13 KDE is as good as 12 was all will be right with the world!

    Edit by Clem: I won’t give any ETA, but we’re planning KDE and Xfce editions next and I’d like them to be released at the same time.

  21. Ryan Says:

    I can now upgrade from Isadora with pride :)

  22. Menak Vishap Says:

    Looking forward for KDE edition!!!

  23. greg Says:

    Hi,
    What is the policy regarding the mate-desktop in Maya ?
    Will you update Linux Mint Maya with the new releases of Mate as soon as they come up or will you stick with Mate-1.2 ?
    I’m asking you this because Ubuntu is used to releasing 3/4 new images CD along the lifespan of their LTS, and you may profit from that to include new releases of Mate in the same manner with Mint releases.
    Anyhow, bringing Mate on Mint is very nice, congratulations to the team !

    Edit by Clem: Hi Greg, it depends on priorities. In the past most Mint users were running either the latest release or the second latest release and the LTS ones weren’t that much more popular. If we find people stick to Maya, we’ll consider this. In the case of MATE, also note that Stefano packages each release (and even in-between updates) for Debian and Ubuntu. Comes MATE 1.4, we’re unlikely to force the update on people in Maya, but you’re very likely to find 1.4 in the MATE Ubuntu Precise repository… in other words, if you opt-in on the MATE repo, you’re likely to find future MATE releases for Ubuntu 12.04 and Mint 13.

  24. Islam Says:

    Mate-edition, it is very smooth, Excellent

  25. Esteban Says:

    @Clem
    As Danko8321 said, desktop icon fonts can’t be changed using Cinnamon Settings. But you can use dconf-editor (dconf-tools package) to do that.

    Edit by Clem: Ok thanks, I’ll look into that.

  26. cwwgateway Says:

    Hi, this release looks great. Here’s what I’ve found:
    1. With the Cinnamon edition, it says “Xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2); falling back to default session” when I try to go to gnome fallback in virtual box.
    2. In the release notes it says that the boot screen is completely black, but for the live dvd there is a boot screen – the background is black but it says Mint 13 and it has the dots.
    3. Nightlife-grey is great except the menu is touching the panel but not touching the left side (this is a problem with Cinnamon/Gnome Shell I think)
    4. In MATE, if I type “compi” into the mintMenu it freezes. I’ve tried this multiple times on the live DVD and in Virtual Box
    5. It would be nice to have a face browser for MDM (I know there’s a way to do this but MDM looks ugly and has a debian logo)
    6. I couldn’t get compiz to work in MATE.

  27. pikinet Says:

    just excellent! congratulations

  28. bert vandenbroeck Says:

    THX clem great job, tested both in Vbox. I Confirm comment nr. 2.
    I think Cinnamon looks great, but i cannot put my panels on the left side. (i need 2 of them) – Mate is what we were used too.
    Running Mint9 on this production machine, Mint5 still running for the kids.

  29. akavir Says:

    Great release, I’ve tested both version and they are exceptional. The only bug I can find is (and this is NOT in virtual box like other’s have had a problem with, it’s installed directly to the hard drive) when trying to load a Cairo-dock session from the desktop manager(which I personally think is kinda ugly now) I get the “Xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2); falling back to default session”
    Other than that these already seem exceptionally stable! Keep up the great work!

  30. R.w Says:

    Thanks, great, great… :)

    Cinnamon The Best!

    Thanks.

  31. nomadewolf Says:

    I can see the Cinnamon improvements you talked about. Seems more polished.
    Cinnamon is the way to go, for me. But MATE is also looking good, on par with the previous releases.

    Many (including me) were fearing for the feature of Linux Desktop when Gnome 3 came out and Canonical made the move to Unity. It seemed that there was no hope for a nice desktop experience in the foreseable future. But Mint showed the and i think it’s safe to assume it even improved on what we had with more choice and more quality.

    I’m glad to see that there is such a distro drived not by private interests, but the good of all.
    Congrats on another great release!

  32. Jeremy Says:

    Can’t wait to see the software manager get some love! Maybe next release? Keep up the great work with cinnamon, I just think it needs just a little something else to stand out against the crowd. Good job guys!

  33. Mihail Ilinsky Says:

    Woohoo! Thank you!

  34. Tim Says:

    Is there going to be an upgrade guide published? Since LM10 has reached EOL, I think there are going to be many of us wanting to upgrade our (very stable) LM10 servers to LM13, with minimal downtime.

    I can wait a while if needed, but being able to perform this upgrade is going to be important.

  35. Flaque Says:

    Clem, I have a suggestion for the boot splash:

    Maybe you could use, instead of a black screen, a simple green screen (which would be consistent with Linux Mint’s identity/branding).

    That way the user would notice that the computer has actually passed grub and started booting the operating system, but still looking consistent across all platforms.

    Please take it into consideration :)

  36. Kristian Says:

    @Clem.Nice solid work by you&team as always,but a few glitches in the tryout of both Cinnamon and Mate editon.Mate is not very Compiz friendly,at all.I got it installed but it was a mess to tweak and use,it also seemed to be quite RAM hungry on my laptop,otherwise it seemed solid.Cinnamon has a problem with languages,its mixed up even though it seems to be almost 100% translated in Cinnamon translations (Swedish)and it pulled down the language during installation,this is also the case for Applets (which of course are made by other individuals and will probably never be translated??).However i was not able to install any applets because im stupid =) and couldnt right click to open as administrator to extract them to their folder .Another language flaw is a persistent one,when you decide to install you cant change your location to a one that contains scandinavian letters,this is not the case in Ubuntu,it seems to recognize your keyboard before starting Ubiquity.I installed Julia again in wait for a replacement.It would be good if you could give Julia some love,updating Firefox,Gimp,etc,and everything that needs to be updated and release her once again =) (That was a quite good idea or what??.)Is it even be possible to do that??…

  37. Paul Vandenberg Says:

    Cinnamon seems to have lost the ability to set the desktop font. I had to download dconf-tools and set it there.

  38. Marcus Says:

    Had Mint several releases till now.
    No full Gnome3 support means no Mint for me anymore.

    I also complained a lot about Gnome3/Unity. But i took the challenge and adapted my workflow to the new desktop. Now i won’t miss it anymore. It wasn’t easy and took about 3 months but now i’m working more straight and much faster than with Gnome2, especially with my two 27″ monitors and many (~15-20) application windows.
    I’m not saying this is adaptable for everybody. But most people didn’t even gave it a real chance…

  39. melonpan Says:

    Wonderful news! I am looking forward to try it.
    Congats and nice works, team!

  40. cwwgateway Says:

    Another problem that I’m having is that when I move the cursor from this firefox window onto the panel, it turns from black to white.

  41. manny Says:

    Congratulations to the LM team and all the gnome fans. I’ll just wait for LM-KDE13.

    Cheers!

  42. Juan Says:

    There is one thing I don’t understand: if the Mint community like so much the traditional desktop, why don’t you use KDE instead of the old Gnome2?

  43. Deevad Says:

    Congratulation Mint team !

  44. dekaband Says:

    Just found a bug during install on my test machine, a compaq V3000 output reads from install terminal: (ubiqity:2913) CRITICAL **: unable to create ‘/root/.cache/dconf’; dconf will not work properly Everything else works out of the box as usual ie: wired,wireless,sound and graphics. The installer is still going but I’ll keep an eye out for more. Linux Mint 12 Main works fine on this machine

  45. Rudy Says:

    Thanks Clem and the Linux Mint team. Looking forward to the final release of LM 13 in the KDE version.

  46. Midnight Says:

    This is wicked. Good job Mint Team! Cannot wait for the final release, keep up the amazing work guys.

    I’m absolutely in love with Cinnamon. :) No bugs so far either.

  47. The_Lord_Of_Knowledge Says:

    Thanks for keeping the desktop dream alive Clement!

  48. Eric Marsheski Says:

    I am downloading the i686 cinnamon rc as I type this. I tried Mint 12 but I hate gnome 3 (and MATE) I ended up going back to Mint 11 which I think as of now is the BEST OS EVER. I can’t wait to give this a whirl. Thanks so much for all the hard work your team has put in to Mint. I have converted ALL my friends from Windows to Mint. With this release I hope to convert even people I don’t know! I use Mint 11 GNOME on all 4 of my desktops and Mint 11 XFCE on my old slow laptop… Again THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK, it is most appreciated!

  49. Nick Says:

    Here are some bugs I’ve found in the Cinnamon 64 bit edition:
    1. When opening Nautilus, the cursor changes to the busy symbol and nothing can be clicked for about 20 seconds.
    2. The ‘Menu Hover Delay’ setting cannot be edited: the 2 little buttons do nothing, and the default value (0) cannot be changed.
    3. The cursor changes from the default white cursor to a black cursor when it is moved over System Profiler & Benchmark window.
    4. In the menu, the writing for ‘System Profiler and Benchmark’ is cut off, so that it reads: ‘System Profiler and Benchma’
    5. In Power settings, the ‘Show battery status in the menu bar’ settings have no effect.
    6. Upon changing certain settings, the old default GNOME Shell notification appears on the top left for about half a second, displaying lots of text, then vanishes.
    7. The cursor busy symbol changes from default (white) to black when using Nautilus.

    These bugs are all minor however, and Cinnamon is progressing very nicely, and I look forward to using it in the final release.

  50. Nick Says:

    Sorry, number 6 above should read: ‘…the old default GNOME Shell notification appears on the top RIGHT…’

  51. Don Says:

    I just installed Cinnamon-64 in a VMWAre 8.03 virtual machine under VMWare Workstation. It’s lovely!

    A possible bug…

    After installation, I went over to Cinnamon settings – Windows and changed to left-side title bar buttons Minimize, Maximize, Close (the same order as the right side.)

    I did a reboot, as required. Now in Cinnamon settings I still see the icons on the right side of the title bar. Similar result if I open the home icon. I’m using gnome theme – haven’t tried others yet.

    Thanks and good luck.

  52. Verix Says:

    Hi Clem, congrats on the RC’s, my first impression has been overwhelmingly positive with Cinnamon. I can finally stop worrying about what my next DE should be :)

    I’m wondering, though, is the bundled version of Cinnamon based on Gnome 3.4? And what happens when Gnome is updated to 3.6, could Cinnamon potentially break or will the Gnome update be held off? Cheers.

    Edit by Clem: It was designed for Gnome 3.2 and it’s compatible with Gnome 3.4. I would recommend extreme prudence when upgrading Gnome and/or clutter.

  53. Craig Says:

    @Juan: probably because they like gnome better then kde…

    so they want gnome but they also want a more traditional desktop…i like and use unity myself but if i wanted to return to a conventional desktop in gnome (i prefer gnome) i would use Cinnamon or Mate but more likely Cinnamon since i like gnome3….

    PS: I am the original “Craig” not the newer one (LOL)…

  54. Roj Says:

    Thanks Mint Team for the RC.

    However, before I try and install it, I have a couple of questions:

    Are Compiz and Compiz Enhanced Desktop Zoom installed and enabled by default in MATE? If not, may I ask why? Mint 10 had them enabled by default and it’s a must for visually impaired users to use the OS (we should not have to fumble around to install packages and install keystroke shortcuts out of the box when previous versions did not force us to).

    Is some kind of zoom function similarly enabled by default in Cinnamon? Again, the same reasons iterated above apply.

    One in five people in North America is visually impaired; that’s a lot of us. Could you please help ensure that the Mint experience is a rich one for us too?

    Thanks…

    Edit by Clem: Hi Roj, Compiz is available and we know it works with MATE. It requires the user to tinker with configuration though and it won’t work out of the box. Compiz is tweaked in Ubuntu to integrate well with Unity. In a foreseeable future, we’ll try to make it work out of the box in MATE, but for this release it was outside of the scope.

  55. Eric Says:

    Is it just me or CTRL-ALT F1 does not work anymore?

  56. tdockery97 Says:

    Congratulations on the release of Mint 13 RC. I chose the MATE edition, and I have to say that MATE has come a long, long way in a very short time. At this point I have not found a single bug related to what I use my computer/desktop for. It is beautiful, stable, and for me, faster than any previous Mint release. The future of Mint is secured.

  57. Dave Says:

    There is some sort of problem with the volume level using the Oxygen HD Audio driver for a CMedia CMI 8788 audio card. The volume is extremely low and often barely audible. This seemed to work fine in previous versions.

  58. DNL Says:

    I have a question: Say I wanted both MATE & Cinnamon on the same machine, would there be any benefit to getting the MATE edition and then installing Cinnamon versus getting the Cinnamon edition and then installing MATE? Or wouldn’t it matter?

    Edit by Clem: It would be easier to start with the Cinnamon edition and install mint-meta-mate… but be careful, you’d end up with a lot of duplicated tools and programs and integration (mime type associations for instance) might suffer a bit. It’s possible to fine-tune the system and get to a stage where both desktops are working nicely on each side (we did it for LMDE) but it requires a lot of attention.

  59. Kumar Says:

    Congratulations! I have not tried new one. Is VLC being made default player in 13? It would be nice to have VLC as default media player

  60. cwwgateway Says:

    @Roj
    Compiz is installed in MATE, but it isn’t enabled and I haven’t been able to get it working. For Compiz Enhanced Desktop Zoom, you need to install compizconfig settings manager. Why? My guess is because compiz is fairly resource intensive and it has a lot of problems with MATE.

    As for Cinnamon, again no. Why not? Because it takes a lot of work to implement and Cinnamon still has a number of bugs that are very important to fix (like memory leaks).

  61. Pariah Says:

    Can’t wait, can’t wait for KDE version..i will be glad to hit up an LTS again :)

  62. Yro Says:

    Hey Clem.. Is there any chance of Linux Mint 13 with XFCE 4.10?

  63. dalcde Says:

    Will cinnamon support software rendering in 13?

    Edit by Clem: This was something I wanted, personally, and I’m not sure it’s 100% ready. I’ll do more tests before the stable release to see how well/bad Cinnamon works in software rendering on the Ubuntu 12.04 base.

  64. bobby Says:

    @cwwgateway & Roj : To get the compiz working you have to type in terminal “compiz –replace” after this compiz will work. If you like then you have to add this command to start up applications, and it will be working from the start.

    Now Why it is not enabled by default, can’nt say. But I didn’t encounter any problem while compiz on. But perhaps others may tell the reason.

    Edit by Clem: One of the key advantages of MATE is that it works on every computer. So even in the future if we manage to make Compiz work out of the box, it’s likely we won’t enable it by default.

  65. bobby Says:

    There is two (–) hyphen before replace, but in my above comment it is showing single, although I typed two.

  66. bobby Says:

    Same again, any way @cwwgateway, you might have got the idea.

  67. 66beta Says:

    Great job, looking for the final release!
    (Hate Unity, love Cinnamon!)

  68. theraot Says:

    I currently use Linux Lisa, but I’ve been recomending Isadora. The reasons for that have been disapearing steadily.

    I did choose to use Cinnamon, among other things because MATE did fail on compiz. I don’t like the eye-candy, but the aero-snap.

    Now… I use a mix of mate-control-center and gnome-control-center. For example I use sound from gnome-control-center but printers from mate-control-center, I don’t get network to appear on mate-control-center nor I find where to change the wallpaper there… so I have to use gnome-control-center’s version for that, but from the applets in cinnamon’s bar. So I have a link to mate-control-center in my favortes, I added it with dconf-editor back then when you couldn’t drag and drop… from where I’m goint to drag it anyway?

    Lastly, I would like to be able to use the lastest tortoisehg with nautilus integration, and that’s not working.

  69. Ponsonby Britt Says:

    Mint 13 w/Cinnamon is looking quite good.

  70. Don Says:

    Another small glitch in Cinnamon-64 under VMware:

    If I go to Cinnamon Settings/panel and ask for classic desktop layout, only the bottom panel appears. This is even after a reboot.

    Once again, though, thanks to you all for a wonderful job.

  71. billp Says:

    Installed Mate 64-bit on system: Gigabyte 970A-UD3, 8GB, FX-6100, nVidia 9800GT, Cricial M4 64BG SSD. Stable, very fast. No problems, no obvious bugs.

  72. Roj Says:

    @cwwgateway & bobby:

    While I appreciate the help, the reason I would like those features enabled by default is the following:

    Without them enabled by default, I have to get out a magnifying glass and while using it, hold my face six inches away from my 27″ screen while typing with one hand until I get the packages installed and the features running correctly.

    That is not a pleasant experience and no user should have to do that. I use Windows 7 and on occasion my son’s MacBook Pro and an iPad2. Both systems support visually impaired users with excellent magnification facilities out of the box.

    Under Linux, it used to be a similar experience. I didn’t have to do what I described above with either Ubuntu 10.04 / 10.10 or Mint 9 / 10 because both Compiz and the Enhanced desktop Zoom features were enabled by default out of the box.

    It’s one thing to have never had a feature and quite another to have it taken away after it was there and a standard feature. It’s also very easy for normally sighted people to ascribe lesser value or a lower priority to those features and I should know: five years ago I was completely normally sighted until cone dystrophy took away my central vision permanently.

    This is why I raise and will continue to raise those issues. As I said, there are a LOT of us in the same boat.

  73. Orographic Says:

    Well done Clem and the team! I’ve loaded Mint 13 (Mate) on my test hard drive that was running Mint 12 (Cinnamon). I also have Ubuntu 12.04 on another drive in this same machine (Unity) as well.

    I used Cinnamon from its initial release in Mint 12 and really liked it, although it was a touch slow to open the menu (~ 1 second) on my first generation core i3 machine. Very stable though.

    I will use Mint 13 RC (Mate) as my production machine (keeping Unity 12.04 as backup on the other drive) to see how it goes.

    My Machine: Core i3 (1st generation), H55-USB3 Gigabyte motherboard with 4GB RAM.

    First impressions are that I like MATE, its fast and responsive.

  74. Bamm Says:

    Hi Clem, I sent you an email to root at linuxmint dot com. The Mint-X family of themes isn’t rendered properly on Mate. I hope you get this fixed because that is the default theme.

    Yes it looks good enough in Mate but that’s not how it’s supposed to look. This issue could affect other themes too.

    Edit by Clem: Thanks Bamm, I got the email. We’ll try to give Mint-X its former good looks :) I thought it looked good in Mint 13, but you’re right, I can see we can do better here :)

  75. Julio Says:

    Trying it out on an old hp tx1000, the cinnamon release don’t start because the drivers, trying to start a gnome classic session but I got an error
    “Xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2); falling back to default session”.

    Instaled in my desktop pc, and runs fine, installed gnome-shell but it doesn’t appears the option to change session.

    Thanks for all your effords!!!

  76. Bamm Says:

    What are the rules about using Mint 13 Maya as the base of a distro?

    Is there any issue about having the word “Mint” in its name? The Ubuntu-based distros love putting “Ubuntu” or “buntu” in their names so I wonder if this is allowed in Mint.

    Also, is there an issue about including the Maya wallpapers? In my development version I removed all the Mint wallpapers, but I can’t help but love the new Maya wallpapers. They are beautiful! If I am not allowed to preinstall them by default, am I allowed to offer the said backgrounds as an optional download?

    Lastly, is it ok to include some mint tools like mintinstall, mintupdate, mintsystem, and mintmenu? They are what make the mint experience wonderful compared to Ubuntu.

    Edit by Clem: Hi Bamm, the only thing that matters is that people don’t think they’re running Mint or that we’re maintaining something we’re not, so don’t use the name, logo or official branding. You might be able to include mint in a different name. For the photographs check the credits file in /usr/share/backgrounds/linuxmint-maya-extra/, you can reuse them, for the mint tools and everything else, it’s all open-source and they’re unbranded so you can use them as they are or modify them, that’s completely up to you.

  77. Andy Says:

    Great job Clem!

    Guys quickly finds all the bugs, I’m going to upgrade my Julia!

  78. billp Says:

    Just installed Cinnamon 64 bit on the following system: Gigabyte 970A-UD3, 8GB, FX-6100, nVidia 9800GT, Cricial M4 64BG SSD. Stable, very fast. No problems, no obvious bugs. Very nice, very polished. I’m sold.

  79. Bamm Says:

    And I just want to say, again, thank you very much for making Mint!

  80. rvaly Says:

    i cannot boot in cinnamon 32 bits

    it say something no boot options or UI and i have

    boot: _

    what should i do?

  81. ppatalas Says:

    Maya RC Cinnamon x32 installed in HP Pavilion dv5.
    Everything looks nice for day to day work. Works really fast, without problems. Will try the Cinnamon x64 as well.

    Team, thank you all for the time spend on this.

  82. jord123 Says:

    What will happen when The official Release comes out will the RC update itself or what. Sorry for sounding stupid but this is my first time ever working with an RC for Linux

    Edit by Clem: Most of the time you can just apply level 1 and level 2 updates from the RC as they appear in the update manager. If something else needs to be done, it will be indicated in the announcement of the stable release. Please don’t use the RC as a way to get Mint 13 earlier though… although it’s quite stable, people will find bugs. Unless your primary motivation is to help find bugs, you’re better off to wait for the stable release.

  83. Bent Nielsen Says:

    Great!

    But I’m missing Resolution 1920×1080 in Monitor Preferences!

  84. Shayne Says:

    Just wondering when I install Google chrome and I try to uninstall Firefox, Linux mint installs another web browser with out recognizing that Google chrome is chosen to be the default web browser. I am a rookie to Linux so just wondering if there is some way to uninstall Firefox with out problems. I have heard of chromium the open source to chrome but Ubuntu does not always update it on time. The chromium web browser is still on version 18.

  85. Zia Says:

    Please…please… release a KDE version of Maya. Me and my family love KDE.

  86. kneekoo Says:

    I’m sad. :( Ubuntu 12.04 has bad graphics drivers and LM13 “Maya” inherited them.

    See Maya fail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpbUIvwOQac
    See Ubuntu fail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3vv5PT-Qx0

    My Ubuntu video has a long description of the problem and my full hardware specification.

    What (else) I don’t like about Maya:
    1. the black screen (no splash) at boot
    2. No message to remove the CD/DVD and press Enter after ending a live session

    I haven’t made other tests so far. But I’m already disappointed.

    Edit by Clem: Hi Kneekoo, for point 1 check the release notes to see how to switch to a graphical boot splash.

  87. ketan Says:

    downloading both RC right now. Have a small confusion regarding which (mate or cinnamon) will be better to install gnome-shell in. :)

    Edit by Clem: Cinnamon uses Gnome 3, MATE doesn’t. So in the Cinnamon edition you just need to install gnome-shell, in the MATE edition you’d have to pull Gnome altogether.

  88. ginjabunny Says:

    thanks for all the hard work, will give it a spin :)

  89. Monsta Says:

    Well, if you recommend to report any bugs right here, I recall a few minor/cosmetic ones in the MATE edition.

    1. The mintmenu-keybinder package has a few flaws (from my point of view).
    I’ve written more about that here: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=102030&start=20#p579680

    2. Network Manager applet looks out of place with the current Gtk+3 theme… too bad there’s no MATE port of old Gnome 2′s nm-applet.
    3. Some dependencies probably need a fix.
    4. Some MATE packages aren’t installed by default.
    I’ve written more about these three ones here: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=102030&start=20#p579696

    Also, I suggest choosing a replacement for brasero. Not only it uses Gtk+3 (and looks somewhat ugly among other MATE apps), its library (libbrasero-media3-1) somehow depends on libunity9, so the latter is obviously installed by default. This dependency on a piece of Unity doesn’t really make sense.

    Overall, the MATE edition works fine.

  90. Anonymous Says:

    Beautiful ^_^
    I check the site everyday just waiting for this..ahaha

  91. hamburn Says:

    great work Clem, thank you, they are all working nicely out of the box.

    Seeding now.

  92. André Says:

    Does the 32Bit version also require PAE like Ubuntu 12.04?

    Edit by Clem: No, it works on both PAE and non-PAE CPUs.

  93. Mich Says:

    Great work,

    I’ve tested the 64bit Cinnamon version in Virtual Box and I encounter one thing: when your logged in cinnamon and when the 2nd user will use it by logging in to his own userprofile without the first one has logged out, cinnamon goes to fall-back for the 2nd user. Also, my NVIDIA graphics card wasn’t detected automaticaly what i was used to but that is a minor problem.

    The memory leakage in cinnamon seems te be solved, what is a very good thing. Great job, the moment the final comes out, i will install it :)

    Edit by Clem: Careful, we fixed a few memory leaks (maybe the ones you were suffering from before?), but we know for sure there still are memory leaks in Cinnamon 1.4 UP1.

  94. Serg Says:

    Yes Yes Yes!!!!

  95. dave Says:

    There is some sort of problem with audio output using the Oxygen HD audio driver for a CMedia CMI8788 sound card. The sound is barely audible, had to turn the level up to 200 percent in the VLC player. I wish you would go back to the way sound was handled in version 11, where everything seemed to work much better.

  96. kaddy Says:

    Clem

    I think you should include under “known issues” about the latest nvidia driver available in jockey which is confirmed by nvidia to have alot of stability/peformance issues, especially with geforce 6+ chipsets… here is the info

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4ODc

    I do not think this has been fixed in the default install as of yet.. so it is worth mentioning

    cheers
    kaddy

  97. melltuga Says:

    Somehow I knew you would release the RC today. Will try both versions today. thx to all developers :)

  98. duckduck Says:

    Thanks for linking direct to the international mirrors, very thoughtful and saves the usual searching!

  99. Dmitriy Says:

    Good job

  100. ManicSquirrel Says:

    Thanks for this release! I’ve downloaded and installed the Cinnamon edition and it’s looking really great. So far just one issue: I tried installing both unity and gnome-shell along side cinnamon and neither shows up at the login. I thought maybe it was an MDM issue so I uninstalled it and replaced it with, first, GDM and then LightDM, but neither unity nor gnome-shell appears; mate, however, does appear at all the logins once it’s installed. What am I missing, anyone?

  101. Vincent Vermeulen Says:

    Help is broken in all Gnome applications in both releases. Opening the Help>Contents menu in a Gnome application, opens Firefox at http://www.linuxmint.com/documentation.php.

    Running yelp directly does the same. I hope this is a bug and not intentionally? (I think we want access to the applications’ help files.) The help files seems to be installed on both releases, for example I found the Gedit help files in /usr/share/help/C/gedit. Tested with Gedit, Nautilus, Pluma and Caja.

    Edit by Clem: No, it’s by design. Help is a real mess at the moment. Gnome apps assume you’re running Shell, Ubuntu patch it with Unity content and in the end it doesn’t properly integrate with either MATE or Cinnamon. We talked about this in the MATE dev. team and decided to make mate-help point to wiki.mate-desktop.org. Within Mint itself we’re pointing people at our user guide, which we’re planning to update. Going forward we’ll need to assess how we provide quality help that is relevant (i.e. we can’t use help contents which assume you’re running Shell or Unity).

  102. Jonathan Says:

    Excellent, downloading now… where’s the Google +1 link?

  103. veggen Says:

    How safe to do you believe upgrading from 12 with Cinnamon to 13 Cinnamon Edition would be?
    I’d rather avoid clean installs each time. Takes way too long to setup dev environment from scratch.

    Edit by Clem: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2

  104. veggen Says:

    Btw, making Mate and Cinnamon the defaults is a wickedly bold move and really shows the middle finger to all recent Linux DE turmoils. And that is why Mint is the king of desktop Linux :)

    Edit by Clem: I hope it doesn’t start any controversy. It’s nothing new, since we started in 2006, our main preocupation has always been to provide quality desktop environments. We worked on many improvements and tools such as mintMenu and perfected Gnome 2 with each and every release, so to be told we had to throw everything and adopt something we didn’t think was as good as what we had before, was never an option, especially in an open-source context where we only need upstream projects if they implement what we need. When we design Mint, we have Mint in mind, we know what we want, we consider the various ways to get to that, sometimes we use upstream components, sometimes we adapt them, sometimes we replace them with alternatives, sometimes we even code our own alternatives… there’s no rivalry or competition with Shell or Unity, they’re just upstream components that are available to us, among many others, and they’re only relevant to us if we can make use of them and they help us implementing our vision. If they grow in popularity, maybe one day we’ll have editions for them, but in the scope of building our main desktops, they’re just not useful to us. MATE brings us that same desktop we enjoyed for so many years, Cinnamon starts something new and exciting which we control and on top of which we can innovate easily. These are the two components we’re likely to build Mint on going forward.

  105. Leven Antov Says:

    I’ve just downloaded and installed Maya-cinnamon edition. It works like a charm and I’ve quickly set up all goodies which I had configured under Lisa and Cinnamon.
    Generally there is not much difference from previous version after Cinnamon is installed, but quite different from base Lisa+Gnome3+MGSE.
    The best thing is that it is LTS release!
    I’m overall extremely happy with what Mint became since last 3 versions and Mint is available in all 4 computers in my family. Keep the pace guys!

  106. count Says:

    I can’t believe, it’s always getting better.
    One thing I found with MDM is the auto-login feature. It’s working when configured in MDM settings directly. But there is another option from ubuntu in the user settings dialog there is another option to auto login. This one’s not working.

    Thanks Clem for your hard work!

  107. tarpan Says:

    I installed the MATE version and I have to say I didn’t expect so much progress! It’s perfect! At last all the things in the right places and many usability improvements. AND it’s fast. Great job!

  108. Rubén Says:

    Thank you very much Linux Mint, good job ;)

  109. viter Says:

    I installed mate edition. It looks great, but compiz works not properly. When I type “compiz –replace” all my windows loose their borders. Can it be fixed?

  110. DrTeeth Says:

    As two versions have been released, does that mean that the two DEs have probs co-existing? I like to run both.

    Is there any support for nVidia Optimus cards or must one install BumbleBee?

    Merci, Clem.

    Edit by Clem: I’m not sure about the nvidia question sorry… about MATE and Gnome, it’s a bit like having KDE and Gnome on the same machine… they’re different desktops, they both come with a lot of apps and configuration tools, you can install both and it will work, but you’ll end up with a messy desktop :)

  111. jesse5567 Says:

    Congratulations Clem & Team

    Installed MATE 64, only very minor issues so far:
    installed via flash drive, when install was finished it didn’t ask me to remove the flash drive before rebooting;
    the install program said I needed 5.9 Gig v. 5 Gig in blog announcement (I used 6.2);
    the menu is very fast but sometimes the highlight rapidly flashes between two different menu options; moving the mouse to another option stops the flashing (I installed the nvidia driver, if that makes a difference).

    Like I said, very minor. Great work guys! I’ll keep testing, then try the Cinnamon 64.

  112. Lido Says:

    Good job!Congratulations!
    But…don’t work wireless.

  113. Felsch Says:

    I installed the Cinnamon 64 bit version my normal pc, and I like it :) . So far no problems with that and the desktop is also very smooth. I think I can keep this for a while ^^.

    The MATE edition I installed on my laptop(which has quite lesser specs then my normal pc) and it works great on my laptop. I gonna see if I can use it on daily basis in combination with school.

  114. Lido Says:

    usb dongle with both ralink and realtek:))

  115. shyster Says:

    Hi, Clem

    Great distro…has the silky feel of CentOS 5.

    I have been on your distros since 7, and use dosemu to run first choice. First Choice wont run under the new 12.04 kernel, although dosemu runs fine. Is this a timing issue with the new scheduler? It is the same on all Ubuntu 12.04 distros. I have tried them all.

    Thanks –

  116. viter Says:

    I have no sound. Looks like no audio device was recognized by Linux Mint on my desktop computer (LM 13 Mate).

  117. Cosmos Says:

    Installed MATE 32 bit on a slow 5 year old Acer desktop, no problems at all during install and update, runs smoothly, quickly, and beautifully! Congrats and thanks!

  118. viter Says:

    Strange. I restarted my computer and sound appeared.

  119. kaddy Says:

    hmmmmmm

    For some reason… Cinnamon does not show up in the login session screen… checked repos… it wasn’t installed???? what the??? So then I installed cinnamon from the repos, logged out… and then I had UNITY2D, UNITY3D, GNOME-SHELL, CINNAMON, MATE etc… what the hell…..

  120. Morten Piil Says:

    Great release, here’s my report from installing the 64 bit version of both MATE and Cinnamon on my ASUS N53SN.

    I first installed the MATE version, it worked perfectly and I proceeded to run my “after install” script to bring in all my extra programs and stuff. I also installed Bumblebee (as the machine is nVidia Optimus)
    Upon reboot the desktop was replaced by a uniform blue color – it still had the two icons for Home and Computer, but the Menu and panel was gone. I don’t know what went wrong?? Tried rebooting a couple of times.

    But as I really wanted the Cinnamon interface I installed that instead. Works great (and it seems more stable on my machine than LM12 with Cinnamon)

    I have found one bug. With VirtualBox 4.1.14 installed my virtual machines that normally run in NAT mode can’t connect to the internet. I have to switch over to Bridged mode to make it work. Has something been taken out since LM12 – some sort of router software missing or not started?

    Otherwise this is a great distro that keeps getting better and better.
    Keep up the good work.
    Thanks Morten

  121. Alex Says:

    So what will happened to Gnome?

    Edit by Clem: If you mean the old Gnome, it’s now called MATE. The new one (Gnome 3) runs underneath Cinnamon. As for Gnome Shell, it’s available from the repositories (installed “gnome-shell” and “gnome-session”).

  122. manderson1701 Says:

    perfect. works like a dream. Installed over Ubuntu 12.04 (which was installed over Mint 11 !!). Initial error message re dconf as above (could be becuase system updates was open at the time?) .
    Also on lenovo x60 wifi and keyboard mouse did not work after install. attached to wired internet, updated all packages and rebooted.
    Everything is working perfectly.

    thanks for the great RC release.

  123. Lido Says:

    what a hell!usb dongles don’t work.In pardus work fine and in mint latest don’t work yet?

    Edit by Clem: They do. They’re hybrid ISOs, I personally tried them with both USB Creator and USB Imagewriter as part of our testing. Please be more specific about the problem.

  124. Ben Says:

    Will there be an option to download CD size images when Maya is released? I do not have a DVD drive and my computer does not boot to USB. Yeah, it is old but I have a laptop provided by my work that is brand new so I really do not have much of a need to spend money on a new home computer. Problem is, I cannot install anything on the work laptop.

    I always wished there were CD images for the Debian edition too. Hoping stand Mint isn’t going to DVD only as well.

    Edit by Clem: The stable release should come with CD non-codecs ISOs.

  125. BoloMKXXVIII Says:

    Just a reminder to all the people trying out the new versions that if you find Linux Mint useful (any version) please consider a donation. I am not affiliated with the project in any way (other than being a user) but our continued support helps ensure the continued progress and availabilty of Linux Mint.

    Thank you.

  126. Carlos Felipe Says:

    For to be perfect, just install ubuntu software center.

  127. Keith Betts Says:

    I’ve been in love with mint lisa 12 mate 32 bit on my hp pavilion slimline s5713w all works SO well LoaDED the Nivida Driver and plays my MOST FAV. Awesome FREE on all Platforms Linux WIN And MAC . America’s Amry 2.5 by AAssist25 but must have the Nivida or ATI driver installed!!!!! to play!!!! BUT the Maya RC 32 bit (COZ AA2.5 is 32 program!must be a 32 OS) Maya Cinnamon 32bit I did Twice install and reinstalled same thing when loading the nvidia driver after the reboot can hear the sound of the desktop BUT NO picture only Black!!! and i tryed maya 32 bit MATE loaded and rebooted the nivida driver behold i got to the desktop So beautiful BUT the Army game Playes WAY TOOOOO SLOWWWWWWWWWWW if at all! But ALL IS WELL IN LISA By BABY! I love her so in Jesus Name Thanks for A wonderful OS!!!

    Handshakes Keith

  128. rahim Says:

    @clem i have windows and mint 12 in dual boot.. i got 13 yesterday and i tried mint4win it worked well but always comes back to the image.(its not getting installed??)(always goes live)? what is the reason? should i install it as usual when i enter mint using mint4win??

    usually it installs automatically right?

    and if i were to install it which partition should i install it too….

    by the way, mint is rocking fast!!!
    planning to change all my 20 computers to mint 13 cinnamon 64bit :) (laboratory)

    Edit by Clem: Select loop0 for both the target partition and the grub bootloader.

  129. linuxbas Says:

    Quick question: How about LM13 with LXDE? Reason: I appreciate the virtues of Ubu12.04 but cannot install it on some of the older hardware that I am using for the safe house my wife and I run for abandoned children. LM12 LXDE works pretty well but I would like the 12.04 base. So…?

  130. Serg Says:

    Me LIKE MATE EDITION!
    How to on pop-up flash-usb when you insert in usb-port?

  131. Bamm Says:

    @Carlos Felipe, Ubuntu Software Center only works in Ubuntu. It won’t work if it detects another operating system. But don’t worry, Mint Software Manager is better.

  132. Arnab Says:

    Although working on LM12 but my favourite remains to be LM11 because I like the easy to use and modify factor much more than LM12′s appearance. I must appreciate The classsic LM menu added by Clem in 12. that was amazing.

    Looking forward to LM13, hopefully it meets my likes and dislikes as an OS

  133. FrogDemon Says:

    Will give this a shot. I have been running ArchBang! with no issues. But I will try this live and see what happens. But I am not holding my breath that it will work on my hardware.

  134. Ken Scharf Says:

    One thing I’ve always disliked in Mint was the blinking cursor and splash screen while booting. I actually LIKE seeing the kernel messages fly by (like Debian does) so I can see anything that might be amiss during the startup phase. Is there any keystroke that will enable fall back into a mode where this is visible? Or maybe provide an install option for this. When FSCK decides to scan disks during start up there is very little feedback of what’s going on, and sometimes it can take as long as a half hour to scan (I have a 3/4TB home partition!).

    Edit by Clem: I think you can remove quiet and splash from the grub arguments.

  135. TomG Says:

    Clem (and the team), thanks a lot for this release. Once the Final comes out, I’ll check out the Cinnamon desktop version.

  136. johnno Says:

    LinuxMint 11 was and still is my first taste of Linux. I have been very happy with it except for two things. I did not ever succeed in installing the proper driver for my Nvidia video card and Moonlight is a disaster.

    I am however about to update to Ivy Bridge (HD Graphics 4000) shortly. Should I expect LinuxMint 13 to run smoothly on that. Are there any driver issues at present that should be considered?

  137. BTPFMJ Says:

    @Ken Scharf:
    To see the kernel messages at boot you simply remove the “quiet” and “splash” entries from the kernel command line. This is usually done in /etc/default/grub, and after you make changes there, run “update-grub” as root (e.g. via sudo).

  138. Roj Says:

    @Clem:54

    Thank you so very much for your consideration – it is very much appreciated. Having to wait is eminently better than the approach Ubuntu took, which given the last three releases, is a flat-out “NO!”.

    Will that be a later release of the LTS (like a Mint 13.1 a la Ubuntu’s point releases of 10.04 LTS) or will it be more of a Mint 14 kind of thing? The reason I ask is that I was hoping to get away from having to upgrade for a while after the next one I do.

    Thanks again for taking folks like me into account in your plans.

  139. Dave Says:

    I installed it on my dell optiplex 390 desktop! It works beautifully!!! I had to enter in the reboot=pci command to get it reboot, but that was the one and only hiccup. I am using the cinnamon version of mint, it runs atleast twice as fast as regular ubuntu! I was able to reload my dekstop from ubuntu to mint, restore my data ( about 20gbs worth ) configure my applications, ( which are quite a few ), all in about 2 hours! I love it!!! The install process, from usb key, took about 30 minutes.. My boot up time is about 20 seconds from a poweroff to desktop. I’m running an i5 with 8gb of ram.. I love how I can add as many workspaces as i need ( which is the biggest reason why I switched to mint ).. I love it! GREAT JOB GUYS!!!

  140. John S Says:

    Looks great, but there is something weird happening for me. All flash videos (like anything on YouTube) play in fast forward speed with no sound. A video that should be 1 minute long will be done in about 15 seconds!
    Tried 64bit MATE edition.

  141. JC Says:

    Congratulations!
    Looking forward to the LXDE version :)

  142. JonesKS Says:

    YES, that’s how it’s done! Mint 13 MATE!

  143. django Says:

    Will try this on virtualbox. A more general remark is that Mint 12 (Mate edition) consumed a lot of resources on my aging AMD64 unicore pc (Athlon 3200+) with 4GB Ram.

    When will the focus of Linux Mint switch to performance so that the system does not start swapping only if you have both firefox and libreoffice running on the same time?

  144. gee7 Says:

    Congratulations to Clem & the team on bringing out Maya RC LTS.
    Normally I stick to LMDE but I decided to install this one, as it’s rather special to the Mint community: young Maya can lead us into a brave new world :-)

  145. gee7 Says:

    First impressions on installing 64-bit Mate dvd edition:

    (1) fault with installer in that it messed up my grub and I could no longer boot Haiku OS from my multi-boot menu;

    (2) magnificent Welcome log-in screen;

    (3) good -looking Mate desktop. Applications open fast and easy;

    (4) after all these years, still the same Ubuntu-based problems getting Firestarter to work, error message: “Failed to open the system log. No event information will be available.” This should have been corrected 2 years ago.

    (5) I miss not having a root terminal as in LMDE but overall a very good first impression of Maya.

    = ============ =

    Concerning bootloader problem, Maya installed Grub2 without asking. Nasty.
    The Grub screen loaded was rather ugly, being in a font too small for me to see easily and had the word “ubuntu” at the top, which did not give me a thrill, and I could no longer load my Haiku operating system because the new Grub destroyed my previous settings.

    A good Linux Installer always gives the user the option to install Grub, install Lilo, or install nothing. That’s user choice in action. At minimum the choice should be to install Grub or not to install Grub.

    For me, and for others who multiboot, this is a kind of standard, I guess. An Installer can be judged by the Bootloader options given. OK, it’s no big deal, I go into my Linux Mint Debian root terminal, install a fresh grub with “grub-install /dev/sdb”; check or amend settings “pluma /etc/grub.d/40_custom”; and to load Haiku, “pluma /etc/default/grub” and put a # sign in front of timeout (Haiku is a strange operating system, not Linux, and the user has to play with Grub settings). I am just getting used to working with Grub2 but an enthusiastic newby multi-booting could be thrown by the Maya Installer replacing his/her working Grub with a new and less attractive Ubuntu version.
    Best wishes.

    Edit by Clem: We use the Ubuntu Ubiquity installer, and indeed, it lets you choose where to put grub2 but doesn’t let you choose Lilo or no bootloader at all. Grub2 itself is pinned in Mint and doesn’t show any Ubuntu branding, I’m curious about this… please give us more info if possible so we can troubleshoot this and get it fixed.

  146. marcello Says:

    excellent work guys!!!
    Just a requests for improvements
    Cinnamon: can click be activated on the program in the panel to toggle to maximizing or minimizing the main window?
    Mint: can be included the cpu throttle in the power pop-up window or settings?

    Many thanks… great release!!!!
    Cheers

  147. ben Says:

    Yeee Well Done Congratulations!
    Looking forward to the LXDE
    I Know it Will Be a Great Distro
    I Recently Make the Crossover from xp and Mint was The Best For Doing That
    Well Congrats Again Clem

  148. someone Says:

    Nice, I will try it when a KDE version comes out

  149. Dominick Says:

    Just a heads up, the .iso I downloaded, doesn’t work if you use startup disk creator. I downloaded the 32 bit MATE and it faults with Xserver not correctly set up in compatibility mode, and in Regular mode it just hangs with sr0: no device present. Not sure if this is a big issue, but it means for me I have to waste a DVD to burn the iso to test and see if I’m still getting that error. I’ll post more if I get the same error.

    Edit by Clem: Try with USB Imagewriter.

  150. Cristian Torres Says:

    Muchas Gracias, como siempre excelente trabajo!!!!

  151. rahim Says:

    ok this is aweosme. installed maya 5 hours ago and its rocking, i have a amd x4 quad,, and in lisa i noticed one of my processors used to run at full speed,,, all the time… now the issue is fixed!!!!!!

    this is super!!! :) my laptop is as cool as ever.!

    thanks clem and team..

  152. usr Says:

    Hi. He are three usability bugs that I found at Cinnamon:

    The first: Cinnamon doesn’t show any text info in the main menu icons, like the classic MintMenu for GNOME 2 for example (it isn’t configurable?)
    The second: The main menu is very big.
    And the third, and the last one: When you watch flash videos in fullscreen mode at web browser, Cinnamon’s bar doesn’t dissapear.

  153. magnus de leo Says:

    hi just tried LM13 its cool,fast and elegant.
    may i know whether mint 13 is also a LTS like ubuntu 12.04.
    if yes i can stick to mint for long time.

  154. Ryan Hoagland Says:

    Already running this excellent release on my netbook. I have to say, this is the first time that I’ve ever had my Broadcom BCM4312 wireless driver work properly without having to mess with other configurations.

    I have had it freeze once on me, but I think that might have been a buggy flash video. Other than that, it’s been rather smooth and snappy.

    Linux Mint’s RCs are often times more stable than some of the other “stable” releases I’ve tried.

    Thanks for the excellent work, and keep it up! :)

  155. FrogDemon Says:

    LM13 will only load by using “nomodeset”. No onboard gcard, no easy load. Which means no easy install. If I install, I will be faced with the issue of getting the nouveau drivers to work properly. Which is easy, but a freakin pain or be forced to use the proprietary drivers, which I never use.

    I don’t know what else to do. ArchBang! just worked. It found my gcard with 0 issues. *buntus and Debian does not. Until LM finds a way to fix this, I will stay on ArchBang!

    - FD

  156. Evil-K Says:

    @Clem:

    Just thought I’d throw out a warning regarding the Ubuntu kernel “Linux 3.2.0-24-generic-pae” that it’s causing people’s computers (including mine) to completely freeze up and become unresponsive. This has happened to me with both Ubuntu AND Kubuntu, so I know it’s neither Unity nor KDE.

    I don’t want this to trip you and your developers up.

    Edit by Clem: We’re using linux-image-3.2.0-23-generic (non-PAE).

  157. Roj Says:

    Weird bug with Cinnamon and the Gnome Zoom:

    If I have the zoom enabled and I go to a site with Firefox and I try and highlight text to copy, when I right-click, I can’t copy. Furthermore, if I click on the Firefox button, the menus don’t displaying correctly – I get no text. Even if I zoom back out, it remains non-functional. This happens in Mint 13RC and also with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with Cinnamon installed.

    Very odd, this…

  158. Roj Says:

    @Clem in reference to 140:

    I forgot to add that this happens on two different machines, a Dell Optiplex 740 with the Ubuntu distro installed and a HP Elite 8100 with the Mint RC.

  159. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    I seem to be having issues with installing *both* Mate and Cinnamon. I have tried both ways, adding Cinnamon to Mate, and Mate to Cinnamon. With mate added on it seems to come up in fall-back mode and with Cinnamon added on Synaptic throws up this error,

    E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mint-info-cinnamon_2012.05.02_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite ‘/etc/linuxmint/info’, which is also in package mint-info-mate 2012.05.02

    Where is the best place to search for and report issues, forum, other? I can’t imagine it’s the comments section of this blog post. ;)

    Stoked that M13 has hit, go Mint go!

    Edit by Clem: Oh no, you can only have one mint-info package installed. It “identifies” your edition. You can install mint-meta-mate or mint-meta-cinnamon-dvd, but you can’t have more than one mint-info-xxx, that’s normal, they conflict with each other by design :)

  160. Bryan Lee Says:

    @Clem
    Clem I seriously cannot express how incredibly grateful I am to both you and the rest of the LM Team for your hard work with the MATE desktop environment. I was so upset when I heard that Ubuntu was moving away from Gnome 2 and going with Unity. I was actually even considering going back to Windows or purchasing a new MAC but you and your team saved the day! Thank you so much for keeping my favorite OS alive.

    Sincerely,

    Bryan Lee

  161. Ariya Says:

    It is nice, but why can’t you say that Mint 13 is a fork of Ubuntu 12.04?

    Without the Precise repos, there won’t be much to update everyday and there is no chance of distribution upgrading at all without getting Ubuntu 12.04. Now, that Ubuntu 12.10 would be coming up, Mint 14 would come up too, but Mint 14 won’t b3 5 year LTS.

    Without Ubuntu, there is no Mint, so Mint should be grateful that Ubuntu is there, instead trying to imply that it is not a fork of Ubuntu 12.04!

    Edit by Clem: Mint is not a fork of Ubuntu, it’s 100% compatible with it and “based” on it. It’s explained on the website, on the release notes, in wikipedia, and even in the installer slideshow when you install Linux Mint (check the “Standing on the shoulders of giants” page). Ubuntu is a major component in Linux Mint, without Ubuntu, of course Mint would still be available but it would be different. If you’re interested in seeing what Mint is like without Ubuntu, you can download and test LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition). We’re extremely grateful to be able to use Ubuntu as we are any major component that makes Linux Mint (GNU, Linux, Ubuntu, Debian, LibreOffice, Mozilla apps, Gnome, MATE… and many others).

  162. Ariya Says:

    The kernel is 3.2.0-23-generic #36-Ubuntu, so Mint 13 is a Ubuntu fork.
    If Mint 13 succeeds that means Ubuntu 12.04 succeeded too!

    No Ubuntu, no Mint!

    Edit by Clem: I’m not sure what the point being made here is, but Mint 13 is not a “fork” of Ubuntu 12.04 it’s a “derivative”. Both releases are 100% compatible. The statement “No Ubuntu, no Mint!” is completely wrong, it would be correct to say “No Ubuntu 12.04, no Mint 13!”. Some Mint editions use Ubuntu as a base, others use Debian.

  163. RAINCITYrambler Says:

    Will I be able to load Gnome 3 in place of MATE/Cinnamon? I don’t know why everyone hates Gnome 3 so much. I think it is a great desktop with great features that speeds up my work flow.

    Edit by Clem: Yes, in the Cinnamon edition you can simply add “gnome-shell” and “gnome-session”.

  164. gee7 Says:

    In previous post #132, I wrote “puma” instead of “pluma” for text editor, so correcting that now : -)

    I have been into configuration files and got Firestarter firewall GUI working now.

    There is something odd about going online in Maya: in every other operating system I have ever used, the minimum for internet access was to open Port 80 (HTTP) to outward inbound traffic, keeping all inward bound traffic denied.

    Of course, one opens other ports as and when needed but that is the usual starting point. However, in Maya there is no internet access even with Port 80 and Port 443 open to outward bound traffic. Can’t get online – there is a “Server Not Found” error. The user has to open Port 53 open as well. This is the first time that I have experienced such an event. Whether this a security issue I do not know. Why is this, please, Clem? Merci.

  165. AJ1000 Says:

    Obviously you have not tried LMDE, which has mint and no Ubuntu

  166. ChrisOfBristol Says:

    Installed first time without any problems, well done! It looks great and gives me the best of both worlds, as I can have the old two panel layout but with a favourites sidebar and nice effects. I think the Mint team listens to its users, unlike sUme.

    Why is there no file manager? Could it be something to do with my old setup? Nautilus and Gnome Commnder are both installed but neither work so I will have to choose between Dolphin, Thunar, PCManFM or Xfe.

    Edit by Clem: In MATE, the file manager should be “caja”.

  167. bobby Says:

    @Ariya : Good points. LM and some other users need it to read, perhaps twice.

    That said. Now assuming you are right. So what is Ubuntu? A fork of Gnome because base is gnome. Without gnome, what is Ubuntu? Kernel is taken from kernel. Softwares are taken from Debian. So what’s the production of Ubuntu. Perhaps Unity. Then mind you, linux is open source. Everyone is free to use anything. Now if guys like Omgubuntu (Joey) and Webupd8 (Andrew etc.) and some other users don’nt help Ubuntu, by putting back ppa and patches, the so called great Unity is not even usable.

    Edit by Clem: Ubuntu is considered a fork because it isn’t package-compatible with Debian, unlike Mint which uses the Ubuntu repositories and retains compatibility with its base (whether it’s with Debian in LMDE or Ubuntu in Mint 13). It’s not a complete fork though since it feeds each release from Debian itself and applies its own collection of patches on top. In a complete fork, both projects have a common ancestor and one doesn’t rebase off the other one at each new iteration. In the end of the day, the nomenclature doesn’t matter much, what’s important to know is that Debian helps both Mint and Ubuntu a lot, that Ubuntu helps Mint a lot, and that whether it’s Debian, Ubuntu or Mint, we’re all standing on the shoulders of giants and all grateful to be able to give, share, receive, and reuse technology in such an open manner. I don’t see distributions as competing against each others and Mark was always clear on this too, there’s a great ecosystem and we’re all part of it. Mint 13 is a tribute to all its upstream components and if people enjoy it, it’s not just thanks to us, but to all the people involved in making things happen, at Ubuntu, at Debian, at GNU, Linux, MATE, Gnome and all the components and software applications we use.

  168. robin Says:

    i tested the mate vercion, and my verdict is ,,,,,,,PERFECT.. for me this already qualifys as a final. release. home again at least

  169. Klyde Says:

    HI great job ,
    but with this version I can no more switch keyboard layout by using alt+shift (english-thai) cinnamon 64
    other have this issue ??

  170. kneekoo Says:

    Clem, thanks for your answer. I didn’t install Maya and I won’t do it if the resolution switching issue won’t be solved. You know how various games need to change the resolution. Sometimes I like to start a game while I wait for some other software to finish its job. With Ubuntu 12.04 and Maya I won’t be able to do this. Although I’m a casual gamer, I can’t take the chance of forgetting about the issue and then screw up my Xorg session. I hope there’s an update you can push in the final version to cover this very annoying flaw in the kernel.

  171. HaddadR Says:

    -@Ariya (142): Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu (like many other distro) so it’s normal that it depends on Ubuntu releases but it offers an alternative “environment” (the best for me)

    -I really like the “old” MATE 1.2
    -MDM should be reviewed or replaced

    @Clem : what is the final release date?

  172. Random Person Says:

    Awesome job ^^

    I only have one quick question. About translation problems, I post them there or in another place? I still haven’t find any bug here (running 64-bit Cinnamon) but I found some things untranslated/not in Brazillian Portuguese.

  173. bobby Says:

    @Ariya : If it is hurting that much, simple solution is Ubuntu should stop sharing their repos to LM and other distros who are based on it. End of the matter.

    We as users don’nt mind whether LM is based on Ubuntu or Debian as long as we are getting perfect desktop which is usable by us. And everyone know the points you raised. So bring something new boy. At least I don’nt mind exchanging views.

  174. Carlos Felipe Says:

    The cinnamon menu is half-translated [..] And cinnamon was badly translated.

    LightDM > MDM

    MDM sucks a lot.

    P.s and OFF-topic: SolusOS > LMDE.

  175. seeley Says:

    Tried to install Maya 32 bit MATE: installation terminated after having chosen language (German) – 6 year old notebook.
    Tried to install Maya 64 bit Cinnamon: installation terminated (boot loader not installed into PBR -> chosen “no boot loader” -> abort)
    Maya 64 bit MATE installed with GRUB into PBR – okay, but BT does not work (did not start).

  176. Mantas Says:

    Asus 1215P / LM13Cinnamon
    1. I can not find a way to turn off login sound
    2. Brightness restores itself to 100% every time I turn computer on.

    Edit by Clem: For the sound, it’s in MDM, open “Login Window” from the menu and you can disable it from there.

  177. Ayush Chittranshi Says:

    Guys A great release
    Both cinnamon and mate are just awesome
    but the pc has hanged thrice in a single day
    And though I am not a Linux expert or a Computer geek but still that it should not do so
    Switched back to Mint 12
    and I hope that final release would be much stable(and AWESOME TOO …???)

  178. Marty Says:

    Yeah ! thanks for these efforts. This RC seems nice.
    Tried it for 24 hours… but… i don’t know. I can’t find myself anymore in these Destop Environements. Too heavy and bloated. Really hard to work with (even if they are much more appreciated than Shell or Unity)

    Maybe also too young, not as stable as i expected (i know, this is a RC !) but i don’t think this has to deal with Ubuntu base but with MATE or Cinnamon : nice and future wise… but too young for now.

    I think i will bet on another horse : XFCE which is improving day after day, getting more polish and featurefull. Maybe, soon, we will see an GTK3 based XFCE.

    I tried hard to believe in a gnome future, but Gnome Shell is on its way and i now think Gnome 2 successor is not gnome anymore but… XFCE

    Keep up the hard work everybody !

  179. Bamm Says:

    @Ariya, Mint is not a fork of Ubuntu, if you understand what a fork means. A fork means that Mint will take Ubuntu repos and maintain it. But Mint uses the Ubuntu repos as is. So has not forked off. The right word is Mint is based on Ubuntu. Mint has forked Cinnamon from Gnome Shell, but MGSE is not a fork but software built on top of Gnome Shell. Get the difference?

  180. seeley Says:

    I had to finish my posting (dinner) – addition:
    64 bit installations I tried on a new Dell notebook; the cinnamon partition was formatted as btrfs (sda15).
    Bt should work on 64 bit, not an 32 bit (rested cases)?

  181. Aloysius Says:

    Can’t boot 13RC Cinnamon/64 bit on my machine
    (Intel P43/e8400 nvidia 9800gt video card).
    Boot hangs with a black screen, can get some info if I switch earlier to the first console. Screenshot at http://i.imgur.com/Z0iu7.jpg for compatible mode.

    (and this http://i.imgur.com/Nrrdk.jpg is what I see in default mode)

  182. ManicSquirrel Says:

    Hmm… I just updated MDM but neither gnome-shell nor unity appear still. It just seems to be those two DEs, and I haven’t had this issue on previous releases or other distros. Has anyone been able to install unity or gnome-shell over the cinnamon release (32bit)?

    Edit by Clem: Check if you’re missing “gnome-session”.

  183. Christian Says:

    Installed LM 13 Cinnamon 64bit on my second partition and played with it for some hours now.

    Things I like:
    - Cinnamon integrates really good. It looks more polished and “final” then on LM 12. Seems to be pretty responsive also.
    - Had no major problems yet

    Things I don’t like:
    - MDM does not allow to choose a users name from a list at startup, like LightDM (or at least I was not able to find out how to set that up). I think it’s not comfortable to type the username at every logon.
    Beside that, I don’t like the look of the startup screen, it’s not very elegant.
    - After logon, I get a black screen for more then 10 seconds, which is irritating. On LM 12, at this time at least the background picture was visible.

    Bugs I found:
    - The Cinnamon-Menu and some system dialogues are not translated, although language pack seems to be installed correctly (using German language pack)
    - Boot splash screen won’t work on my computer, even after configuring it by console, like described in release notes
    - Maybe a kernel/driver problem, or just an displaying error: My WLAN has around 85% strengh at LM 12 but only 70% on LM 13 under the same conditions

    Last but not least I want to thank Clem and the whole LM team for their work. I tested LM 9 and are using LM as my main OS since LM 10. It is really great to have an OS of this quality AND an community and distribution team that really care for their users desires. Keep on!

    My shell of choice is Cinnamon, by the way, because I think it is the right decision to use modern technology (Gnome 3) but traditional layout of the desktop. Please keep inventing it and don’t rely on MATE, which might be a dead end some time in the future.

    Edit by Clem: Hi Christian, thanks for the feedback. The Mint MDM theme (used by default) simply doesn’t use a user list, but you can select the Plain MDMLogin instead and this one uses a user list.

  184. gee7 Says:

    Just installed 2 programs I often use from Synaptic on Maya 54-bit Mate.

    pdfedit works a treat, just as it should.

    My favourite (and only) computer game Shogi does not launch. It has worked on all other Mint versions that I have used, after installing Xshogi and gnushogi :-(

    Every other application I have tried working well so far. Maya + Mate is a pleasure to use.

  185. gee7 Says:

    I mean Maya 64-bit Mate :-)

  186. Daniel Hartley Says:

    What a nice surprise! Downloading now and will have a play with it tonight; probably will install it in the coming months on this Thinkpad x121e; a Dell Inspiron 1525; and a HP Elitebook 2500 (I think that’s the model).

    My only reticence to installing it immediately is the power regression issue that affects many laptops. This is supposed to be fixed in Gnome 3.3 and is apparently updated in Ubuntu 12.04 (I think). As soon as this serious power regression issue is sorted I will feel much more comfortable using the distro on my machines (currently sticking with 11 until I’m sure the issue has disappeared).

    I would expect a LTS issue to not have such problems. Is there any clue as to whether it has been fixed?

    Regards.

  187. André Says:

    “No, it works on both PAE and non-PAE CPUs.”

    That is great :)

  188. Asasa Says:

    I found a problem. Decided to go to the system monitor just for quicks, and one of my two CPUs are at 100% nonstop (well, sometimes it switches, but one is always at 100%). And the memory is always 970+ MB, even if I’m just staring at the monitor doing nothing. I’m with 64-bit Cinnamon.

  189. Ariya Says:

    “@Ariya, Mint is not a fork of Ubuntu, if you understand what a fork means. A fork means that Mint will take Ubuntu repos and maintain it. But Mint uses the Ubuntu repos as is. So has not forked off. The right word is Mint is based on Ubuntu. Mint has forked Cinnamon from Gnome Shell, but MGSE is not a fork but software built on top of Gnome Shell. Get the difference?”

    Go to Mint 12 and try to do a distribution upgrade and you’d see where you’d go! Without Ubuntu there is no Mint 12, or 13 or 14…Never!

  190. Ariya Says:

    Bamm and Bobby and others, now you have downloaded Mint 13, try a distribution upgrade, if you can? Check whether you can do such a thing at all with Mint?

    You can’t! Why? Think!

  191. Mantas Says:

    Ok, I found the way to turn off login sounds – I deleted that files. And I can still use workaround for brightness:
    gdbus call –session –dest org.gnome.SettingsDaemon –object-path /org/gnome/SettingsDaemon/Power –method org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.Power.Screen.SetPercentage 40

  192. stroman Says:

    I’ve loved Mint 10 and the Gnome 2 Desktop, nice to see this is to be continued with teh MATE Edition. One clean Installation and no need to upgrade for the next 5 years! Great job!

  193. karsten Says:

    hi
    is there a way to upgrade from mint 12 to 13?

    apt-get dist-upgrade don bring me teh option like in Ubuntu

    thx

  194. Dave W Says:

    I have no sound through the built-in speakers in an ASUS HDMI monitor. Headphones plugged into the front panel work.

    The Sound Settings Output tab shows only an “Analog Output” selection. Ubuntu 12.04 also has a “HDMI / DisplayPort 2″ option; with that option selected the monitor’s speakers work.

    Is the HDMI option going to be available in the final distribution? If not, what piece of software do I need to install to get it?

  195. Francisco Says:

    Hello Clem, I don’t can enter in the live cd mode. In the normal mode i have kernel panic, and in the compatible mode, the x server not initialize correctly. My computer is a Dell Studio XPS 1340, with processor core 2 duo with 2.4 GHZ and 4 gb of ram, video card nvidia GeForce 9400.

  196. don Says:

    Hi Clem, is the name Maya ironic or randomness, the last version of mint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar

    Edit by Clem: No :) http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1974

  197. Francisco Says:

    It’s in the Cinnamon edition of Linux Mint 13 :)

  198. Sergio Esaù Aràmbula Duràn Says:

    Only one thing, on Cinnamon and the new Linux mintś Cinnaon theme NightLife Graphite the menu is unalineated by a half centimeter to the right and the pop up menus one or two centimeters and it may be totaly centred so please help me to fix it

  199. Daniel Hartley Says:

    Running 13 from a live usb on a HP Elitebook 2560- seems to work great. Really like the new look of everything; the panel, as far as panels go, looks very nice. Cool slate colors. Dialog boxes are pretty nifty looking. Nice uniformity.

    More importantly, though, I’m interested in power regression issues with the kernel which was at issue with previous releases (i.e. Mint 12). I would not do a complete install on my machines (HP Elitebook and Thinkpad x121e) until I’m certain these power regression issues have been fixed. It was supposed to be fixed with kernel 3.3…

    Clem, is the power regression sorted out on this one?

    Edit by Clem: I’m not sure. We’re using kernel 3.2. Note that you can compile and install your own kernel though. I know it sounds scary, especially in this day and age where everything is fitted and configured to work out of the box, but don’t be afraid to give it a try, it’s not that complicated and you can fit the kernel you want into Mint. Linux in general (not just Linux Mint) is extremely modular. When there’s one particular component you want to change, even if it’s the kernel itself, most of the time, you can.

  200. Dannie Swaim Says:

    Will the final release have both MATE and Cinnamon or the ability to add the other through repositories? I’d really like to be able to switch between desktops.

    Edit by Clem: You can install one on top of the other, but they will come separately (we can achieve better integration when they’re not both installed).

  201. zoli62 Says:

    Hi Clem! There will be a chance in the future to upgrade under running system like with Ubuntu?

    Edit by Clem: Yes, it’s always been possible, but it’s not recommended. http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2

  202. Christian K Says:

    I tried running World of Goo Demo as installed by the Software Manager, but it just resizes the screen without starting. I went into the config files for WOG and changed the screen resolution to match my desktop. No success there either. Then I tried similar things with WINE and CrossOverOffice (v11). So far, no success. I was not able to run WOG in LMDE either. It ran fine in Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” but changed the screen resolution, of course. On a positive note, I installed NVIDIA drivers and rebooted without a problem.

  203. Fredrik Says:

    Looks nice, but how about some other default background/artwork instead of the one from Katya? Additional backgrounds seem to be only photos now. Any plans on any new animated artwork?

    Edit by Clem: No, but you can install the artwork for past releases via mint-backgrounds-lisa, mint-backgrounds-lisa-extra, mint-backgrounds-katya…etc etc.

  204. PB Says:

    Ariya

    You can call it whatever you want to call it. However, as it has been clearly stated, Mint Main Edition is simply Ubuntu with Minty customizations. It is not a fork by definition. A fork is exactly how Bamm explained it. If Mint were a fork of Ubuntu, they would pick up the Ubuntu sources altogether, and totally maintain them on their own from then on, without looking back at what Ubuntu is doing. In time, the true Mint fork could become something totally different from Ubuntu, and thus no where close to compatible. When a fork is made, it’s also possible that the developers have sworn off all interests of compatibility with what the previous base might have been.

    Clem is obviously interested in maintaining compatibility with Ubuntu for the Main Edition, so no fork there. I have even been guilty of saying Ubuntu has forked sharply from Debian. Technically, that is not true. But what I mean is that Ubuntu has done much of their own development, and package management, and there vision is not the same, and even controversial. But Ubuntu is still not independent of Debian. Maybe one day they will be, but not yet.

    Think of it this way: A child lives at home until they are 18 or so. From birth on, the parents slowly allow the child to learn to make their own decisions based on information the parent provides. But the child still has to follow house rules until they leave home. When they leave home, they are on their own, with nothing but themselves and their own rules. The child has “forked.”

  205. Ariya Says:

    “However, as it has been clearly stated, Mint Main Edition is simply Ubuntu with Minty customizations.”

    Good then, PB, it is still Ubuntu, so There is nothing to say. Bodhi is also Ubuntu with Bodhi’s customizations. Voyager Linux is also Linux with Voyager’s customizations. AND the list goes on and on. What you can’t do is a distribution upgrade, right PB?

    So, there is no worry about Mint taking over the Ubuntu lead, as it is JUST another Ubuntu, eh with some frills?

    What does your uname -a state, PB? Not a Mint kernel, right?

    I don’t see any mention of Ubuntu in http://www.linuxmint.com, do you see any, PB?

    Edit by Clem: “Based on Debian and Ubuntu”, source: http://www.linuxmint.com/about.php

  206. Ariya Says:

    PB,

    You say; “Clem is obviously interested in maintaining compatibility with Ubuntu for the Main Edition…” Why?

    Clem could easily maintain compatibility to Slackware, or Gentoo, why Ubuntu? Because Mint is Ubuntu, that’s why?

    Oh, LMDE does not have that many followers as it is a headache to use, right PB?

  207. PB Says:

    Ariya,

    Go to your package manager and point all of your repositories to Debian, Redhat, or whatever you want. Tell me what happens the next time you do an update.

  208. Ariya Says:

    PB,

    “Go to your package manager and point all of your repositories to Debian, Redhat, or whatever you want. Tell me what happens the next time you do an update.”

    I can understand how much you know about your Linux Mint. Red Hat, eh?
    Lovely!

    What you can do with Mint is update, but NOT upgrade!

  209. Martin Says:

    I installed both Linux Mint 12 and 13. Had problems with MATE on both. When I click on the word MENU, the panel disappears and I can not get it back. Can not use without the panel and menu.

  210. rick Says:

    PB & Bamm don’t worry about ariya. He is trying to provoke us, if you don’t reply to little kids who don’t know what they are talking about they can’t get their jollies off. By his understanding ubuntu is a fork of debian and if no debian, no ubuntu.

    By the way using x64 Mate, no problems like I had with ubuntu, lubuntu & xubuntu where I would get pop up errors when applets crashed and asked me to send a bug report.
    using Mate as I can’t get separate X screens on Cinnamon (Gnome3 as well) due to a bug in mutter. I believe LM forked it to Muffin(?) so problem follows.

  211. cwwgateway Says:

    @Ariya
    Yes, the Mint main edition is based on Ubuntu (not forked from). It wouldn’t exist without Ubuntu (although LMDE would). Most of the people commenting here (probably more technically astute?) know that Mint is based on Ubuntu. But for non technically astute users, what good does it do them to know that they’re using Ubuntu? Go to ubuntu.com. Do you see a mention of Debian? No.

  212. PB Says:

    Ariya,

    It’s not as if Clem is offended that Mint Main Edition is based on Ubuntu. He has stated such countless times. Clem has also expressed his gratitude countless times on behalf of the Ubuntu developers. None of the Mint users who appreciate the Main Edition are ashamed that Mint has Ubuntu as it’s base.

    Ariya, if you want to believe that Mint is a fork, then that is perfectly okay with me. Who am I to rain on your parade. But I thought we were discussing facts. Please accept my deepest apologies, and “believe” whatever you’d like.

    I have the word believe in quotes, because we are all free to “believe” whatever we wish. But if it’s facts we seek, then we must be willing to quickly dispense of what we “believe” from time to time.

  213. ibbill Says:

    Mint Mate13 a USER FRIENDLY OS.Will be able to install this on the 5 computers we use in the seniors computer room. Even us people that are older than dirt will be able to navigate and use this system Thanks to Clem and all his helpers. Awesome job.

  214. PB Says:

    rick,

    I agree with your suggestion, but it’s my hope that someone else will come to a greater understanding of the linux community by reading common sense posts on blogs like this. I’m know expert by any stretch, but I know what I know. And perhaps discussing the basics might save some heartache for a really green nube.

    BTW, I couldn’t care less about Ariya’s rocks or jollies, or whatever. They can believe the earth is flat for all I care–but it just ain’t true.

  215. Juan Says:

    Mint is Ubuntu? Partially yes, but not totally. Think this: if Ubuntu would existed and Mint no, we wouldn’t have “Cinnamon” or “MATE”. So, they are not exactly the same.

    Edit by Clem: Note that MATE isn’t a Mint project. We’re involved in the MATE dev. team, but it’s an independent project. It would exist without Mint and it was started without Mint.

  216. gosa Says:

    Ariya,

    I only have this one comment on the subject, after that I’m going to let everyone else answer you as they see fit.

    So. -I see a lot of talk about Linux Mint not being “upfront” about it’s origin…

    Try these:
    http://linuxmint.com/rel_maya.php (release notes for these latest RC’s)
    http://www.linuxmint.com/about.php (Linux Mint’s “about page”)

    If you fail to find references to Ubuntu on the above linked pages we can continue talking, otherwise I rest my case.

    BTW – I’m not sure I’ve seen any of the distros I’ve tried so far making any references to Linus Thorvald’s work either, which is kind of surprising as we all have him to thank for whatever Linux flavor we’re on at the moment.

    My best regards,
    /gosa

  217. AJ1000 Says:

    Clem,

    I have tried out Maya and it is really good. I have compiz working without the CPU issues. To do this I put compiz –replace in startup applications and renamed marco to marco.1 (it is in usr/bin).

    The weird thing I found is that the zoom desktop plugin is missing in compiz in Maya, but is there in LMDE. That is the plugin I use the most. Is there any way this an be put back?

    The other weird thing is that conky will not work in startup applications in Maya, but does work in LMDE. In Maya I launch conky with a launcher and it works fine.

    Overall, brilliant work, Maya feels faster and uses less RAM than LMDE, as strange as that sounds. Shutdown speed is also fantastic in Maya.

    Thanks for your efforts Clem.

    AJ1000

  218. rick Says:

    PB, understood :-)
    Mate x64 (only one I’ve tried) is running great, haven’t gone back to LMDE Mate since install. LMDE repo has the old XBMC rc. Mate on an SSD (Intel 520 60GB) and SB 2600k is fast!!!
    Looking at the testers logs, I only experienced the ‘prompt to remove install media after reboot’ – as in I didn’t get prompted.

  219. Daniel Hartley Says:

    Love the design, simplicity and uniformity of Cinnamon. Really, really good. Would install it in a sec- but the power regression issue still seems to be at fault looking at how fast battery is going down, and this makes it unusable, unfortunately, for me.

    Once the power regression is patched (it’s supposed to be patched in kernel 3.3) I’ll install it on a HP elitebook 2560 and a Thinkpad x121e.

  220. Daniel Hartley Says:

    Sorry about the repeat posts- didn’t think it was working. And sorry for this one too.

  221. CHUPACABRA Says:

    -1- the splash screen is a total mess when i restart my pc it doesn’t show up + the plymouth-theme-mint-logo ain’t a decent one for an os like mint.
    -2- cinnamon keeeps crashing and when i set it to autologin it takes time to load.
    -3- amsn ain’t in the repo
    -7- cinnamon settings on lisa is way much better. u can’t change the values of effects and das a bug i guess
    -8-gnome classic keeps falling back on cinnamon

    i suggest u take a look at plymouth-theme-lmde and imitate it ’tis the best and most stable one i guess

    thanks for the great job mr Clem and ur team!!

  222. Robby Says:

    Well Clem,
    I saw the blog note and downloaded Mint 13. Used it to overwrite
    Ubuntu Lucid. I do hope there will be more than just two themes.
    Downloaded Pan 0.137 from the Pan PPA and had no problem installing
    it. But when I transfered my .pan2 directory from LMDE 201204 install
    like I have done in the past, there were password problems. I can clear that up easily. Looks good so far.

  223. Daniel Says:

    Cinnamon has frozen twice on Live usb while fiddling with settings. Needed to reboot both times. HP Elitebook 2560. Like the new style configuration stuff; a simpler and neater way (but yeah, it freezes…)

  224. brahim Says:

    WHEN WILL THE STABLE RELEASE BE OUT!!SCOOP!!

  225. brahim Says:

    i suggest that u use onboard for universal access tools!!the other keyboard doesn’t show all the arabic letters!!cheers!!

  226. snafu Says:

    Hey,

    great release of the new Mint. I installed the Mint 13 Cinnamon Edition. I have found two issues:

    –> The margin between main menu and monitor border is too big. (20px)

    –> In some applications e.g. RubyMine I have problems with the toolbar, if the app runs in fullscreen the menu pop-up in the middle of the screen. (running on oracle java 6)

  227. UNICOS Says:

    i suggest that u use onboard for universal access tools!!the other keyboard doesn’t show all the arabic letters!!cheers!!

  228. Daniel Says:

    Oh, and of course- the power regression issue is still there isn’t it? In my unknowledge I thought it was patched for 3.3 kernel… Really a downer for me- wont run it on my Thinkpad x121e or Elitebook 2560.

    Graphics work better on HP Elitebook 2560 with Maya Cinnamon than they do running Mint 11.

    Extremely fast even off a usb. But there is the freeze.

    Not so sure about the minimize effects; I prefer movement rather than enlarging, expanding, etc. I guess its not hard to switch that around…?

    I find hot corners really useful using Mint 11- I have a show desktop one, a scale one, and an expo one.

    But love the clean look and improved functionality of panel and configuration. Simple and well thought out. Nice one.

    Mate 13 has just downloaded so will fiddle with that now…

  229. Daniel Says:

    YES! A recent documents applet!

  230. Steven H Says:

    Using 64bit Cinnamon & lovin it! Great work!

  231. Paul Says:

    Currently using Linux Mint 12 KDE as my main desktop and absolutely loving it, with one exception; I cannot enable any microphone input.
    I am using a Xonar DG sound card and a Mikomi DC-7120 USB webcam with mic. Both are supposed to be “fully supported”.
    Just tried Maya 64 bit Mate to see if the problem has been resolved, but no luck!
    This setup works perfectly with LM 9 and LM 10.
    Wassup?

  232. Scott Says:

    I’ve just installed the 64 bit version of the cinnamon 1.4 and it is brilliant – fast and efficient with a very modern appearance. Well done

  233. Nick Says:

    @ Daniel #176:
    Linux Mint 13 doesn’t have the aspm power regression problem, because the 3.2 kernel in Ubuntu has been patched by the Ubuntu developers independantly. See here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/98602/will-final-version-of-12-04-use-the-power-management-changes-found-in-kernel-3-3

  234. cwwgateway Says:

    The new MDM update fixes the problem when logging onto Gnome Classic. Also, it’s a great idea to make Gnome Classic more minty, although I can always hope for the Mint Menu in Gnome Classic.

    Edit by Clem: mintMenu won’t make it to Gnome Classic. The Gnome team announced they wouldn’t port Bonobo (mintMenu was a Gnome Bonobo and is now a Mate Component applet) from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3 Classic, and we won’t port mintMenu to dbus. We ported mintMenu to MATE component though, and it works perfectly in MATE.

  235. David M Addieville,IL Says:

    Thanks for the RC install it then had to go to work man that was hard to do with the new release wanting at home every thing seems to be working fine on the dell inspiron 1525 laptop have not seen any bugs yet but will let you know if any come up. I installed the cinnamon version thanks for all the work you guys put in to it really looks nice.

  236. cwwgateway Says:

    Also, in system settings the icons next to Personal, Hardware, and System is black with a red “circle-backslash” (“(\)”) symbol. Also, is Compiz running by default in the fallback mode? I’m not sure, but compiz is running in the system monitor. I personally love this, but would it reduce hardware compatibility? Or is that what llvmpipe is for (software rendering)?

  237. Michael Says:

    Hello,

    I am experiencing crashes when using Cinnamon. Screen just goes black.
    I posted a bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1001005

  238. Miles Bradley Huff Says:

    I noticed that in the list of all versions, Maya is described as being supported until 2017. Is this true? Precedence would have predicted 2015.

  239. TomG Says:

    Okay guys, I just installed the MATE version of Mint 13. In the past, I’ve said that Cinnamon is the future, and I still feel that way. But I decided to at least spend a few days with MATE, so that I wouldn’t be ignorant of what it can do. I love Linux Mint, and it would hardly be fair to spurn one of the desktops that Clem and the rest of the team are supporting.
    I won’t write up a review until the final release of 13 comes out (early June it looks like at the moment). But I wanted to play with it for the next 5 days…

  240. Jack H. Says:

    Mate is a dream come true. I installed the packages I needed and everything was working perfectly. If Mate is being supported for five years what could be better. If the only loss is bluetooth – I can live with that.

    Thank you Clem for Mate. What a concept, it just works.

    Edit by Clem: I’m personally involved in the MATE team, I speak with Perberos, Stefano and Amanas very often, and I can tell you they’re extremely passionate about MATE and extremely proud of the work they do on it. They’re really excited to see this release and they’re probably reading your feedback as much as we do :) They’ve come a long way since MATE 1.0, and I’ve no doubt they’re going to fix bugs and come with more innovations with every new release.

  241. cwwgateway Says:

    @Miles Bradley Huff
    Previous LTS releases were supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 on the server, but Ubuntu 12.04 and therefore Mint 13, is supported for 5 years on both, so 5 years from 12.04 is April 2017.

  242. John of Elk Grove Says:

    Is the “number 13 superstition” the reason developers used “Maya” in the LM wallpaper logo rather than “13″ as was in LM11 and LM12?

    Being 13 is considered an unlucky number by some people, I’ve wondered how the logo would be handled.

    Will give both a try in a virtual machine then once the final is released will decide if I want to upgrade my laptop with LM13.

    Edit by Clem: Yes :) I was personally in favor of using 13 in the wallpaper, but we talked about it and I was convinced by people around me it was better to respect superstitious traditions :) In the end we kept the version number and the 13 wallpaper, but we applied a “Maya” wallpaper by default. I know.. it sounds ridiculous.. but it didn’t take much time and if it makes people more confortable, then it was worth doing :)

  243. PB Says:

    @Juan

    I’m not sure if you are referring to my comment or not, but if so, then please recall completely what I mentioned. I said that “Mint Main Edition is simply Ubuntu with Minty customizations.”

    I will say this one more time. If anyone questions what the core components of Mint are, go to your repositories and look where they are pointed to. There are ppa’s (exclusive to Ubuntu), there are launchpad entries (exclusive to Ubuntu), there is the Ubuntu version base (need I say exclusive to Ubuntu).

    The Linux Operating System known as Mint Main Edition has Ubuntu at it’s core, and is compatible with the Ubuntu Operating system. Other than Clem’s current choices of DE’s, namely Mate, Cinnamon, etc., all else is cosmetic tweaks, and various improvements for moving about the OS. True, these tweaks make big difference collectively for the good. But I thought we were talking about the operating system itself.

  244. wolverine_tech Says:

    Hi,

    Haven’t tried Mint 13 RC. Will wait for the final release.
    One question regarding the Software Manager: Does it let the user queue packages or does one have to authenticate after every selection? (I used Ubuntu’s Software Centre to get around this in Mint 12.)

    Can’t wait for the final version… 5 yrs of support… golden.

  245. Anthony Says:

    64-bit Cinnamon: This seems really great so far, thank you! Minor issues I didn’t see in the comments: the panel clock appears to be stuck in 24 hour format, despite having selected am/pm in the system settings. Cinnamon calendar settings also display in 24 hour format. Also in Cinnamon settings, themes, other settings: changes don’t apply without a log out. Having problems with GTK+ theme blacking out the top of windows randomly. I assume there’s an easy way to turn off the login sounds that I don’t know about? Perhaps via terminal?

  246. Bill Says:

    I installed Mint 13 Cinnamon and have been testing all day. It’s very professional, very nice work. Interestingly, I did not need to install Nvidia drivers as the graphics are working really well. Cairo-dock with effects runs great. Conky runs great. Terminal remembers what has been typed and is transparent. Plymouth won’t change the black screen even following your directions. Checkgmail shows up in the panel like it should. Icons are easily added. Themes work well. Cinnamon Setting are all good. I wish there was an easy way to change the window borders, Mint-X and Mint-Z are boring. All in all a very well done distrobution. Congratulations Clem et al.

  247. cshin9 Says:

    I’ll probably migrate to Cinnamon. I’m currently using MATE more than Cinnamon.

  248. Duff Says:

    Hey Guys you gonna relase some day a Gnome3 Edition? Gnome 3 with your extentions is so amazing

    Edit by Clem: No. You can install Gnome Shell on top of the Cinnamon version very easily (install gnome-shell and gnome-session), for a vanilla Gnome Shell experience. The MGSE extensions were discontinued, they’re replaced by Cinnamon itself.

  249. jajodo Says:

    @Ariya (163)
    “I don’t see any mention of Ubuntu in http://www.linuxmint.com, do you see any, PB?”

    On http://www.linuxmint.com Ubuntu is credited in each and every release notes as far as I recall.

    “Other issues
    Linux Mint 13 is based on Ubuntu 12.04. Make sure to read the Ubuntu release notes.”

  250. jajodo Says:

    @Ariya

    Ubuntu is also consistently credited with the other main upstream components.

    “Upstream components
    Linux Mint 13 features the following upstream components: Ubuntu 12.04, Linux 3.2, MATE 1.2, Cinnamon 1.4.”

  251. Verix Says:

    The two most annoying bugs in the Cinnamon edition so far are:

    1- Modifying the ‘Menu Hover Delay’ is not possible, the value is fixed at zero, which makes using the Menu very error prone.
    2- The tooltip on drop-down menu entires appear behind the drop-down menu. Noticeable when viewing the tooltip on entries in Firefox live bookmarks.

    Also, it would be great if there was an option to keep the previous search item in the mintMenu the next time you open it, so that I don’t have to type it again. Many times I want to open the same application after I close it, and this feature has been helpful in the old mintMenu.

    Really excited to see Cinnamon improve and become as perfected as the previous Mint desktops.

    Edit by Clem: 2. won’t be fixed in Cinnamon 1.4 (you’ll need to wait at least for 1.5), 1. was fixed already.. I think it’s in Romeo right now, but it’ll come as an update to you before the stable release.

  252. roblav96 Says:

    new to the linux scene, obvious choice of distro: linuxmint.

    using tri-monitor setup with or whithout drivers installed, after choosing classic panels (top and bottom), log back in, im presented with just the wallpaper and no UI.

    i love the dual panel idea because it brings windows and osx features into one.

    I LOVE LINUX!

  253. roblav96 Says:

    although releasing an LTS on version “13″ is bad luck :X

  254. wile_e8 Says:

    I’ve found two issues with Cinnamon on Maya that worked on Lisa

    - Gnote doesn’t appear in the system tray. It opens up the search dialog, but the icon that used to appear in the system tray in Lisa (and every other distro I’ve used) never appears.

    - The Display applet doesn’t appear. I can enable it in the Cinnamon applet manager, and the system tray blinks when I do, but it never appears.

    FYI I’m running Maya on a new Dell Inspiron N7110, but I was running Lisa on an older Dell, in case that matters.

  255. Will G. Says:

    I am about to download Mint 13 MATE and install it on my old laptop, Will I be able to upgrade to the final 13 simply by installing any updates that come out or will i have to reinstall 13 Final when its finally ready

    Edit by Clem: Yes.

  256. TheOldFellow Says:

    Moved over to a new install of 13RC last night. All seems very good, and FINALLY I can install The Gimp 2.8! Lots of things seem just that bit more solid that under 12. (Can’t stand names for releases of software, so you can ditch the Mayan Pangolins for me)

    Nice work.
    TOF

  257. ketan Says:

    Is it feasible to have a Mint 13 Gnome shell remix just like the UBUNTU 12.04 Gnome shell remix : http://ubuntu-gs-remix.sourceforge.net/p/home/
    :)

  258. Aelfinn Says:

    Just a couple of issues with 64-bit Cinnamon:

    1. Power consumption is at least 20% higher than on Ubuntu 12.04. For me, that’s kind of a showstopper.

    2. There seems to be something going on with fonts. In both Pidgin and Skype, the font is just a little too large. Of course, you can set the default system font to 9pt, but then other things, like Firefox tab titles, look too small. This was no issue in LM10 and LM11, nor in Ubuntu 12.04.

    3. There’s a funny thing going on with qBittorrent, which gets minimized every time I switch from the workspace it is open on.

    4. Nautilus has the annoying habit of opening, not where I last closed it, which is the default behaviour in LM10 and LM11, but centered (on an empty workspace). Also, the setting for the default zoom level in compact view seems to be non-functional below 66%.

  259. OS2User Says:

    This RC is a huge step forward compared to the recent LMDE Mate/Cinnamon on my vintage hardware, but Cinnamon still isn’t quite there where I need the Live-DVD to be in order to work on my older Cpq Presario 906US laptop with Radeon Mobility U1 [IGP 320M].

    First the good:
    For the very first time ever with anything Gnome not being Gnome2 anymore, LMB-clicking on any of the 3 desktop icons now finally works, so does a RMB-click on the desktop itself.

    Now the bad (AFAI can test at all):
    1.) I don’t get any panel at all, so the whole system still is pretty much unusable.
    2.) opening the ‘Home’ or ‘Computer’ window, I don’t have a titlebar nor any Min/Max/Close buttons. No idea if this is the way it is supposed to be or a bug, since I never got this far before.

  260. Ariya Says:

    Juan Says:
    May 17th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Mint is Ubuntu? Partially yes, but not totally. Think this: if Ubuntu would existed and Mint no, we wouldn’t have “Cinnamon” or “MATE”. So, they are not exactly the same.

    If Ubuntu had not gone for Unity, and others to Gnome 3, maybe Cinnamon and MATE would not be. Cinnamon or MATe, once you installed a dock, it really doesn’t matter. Even in Ubuntu 12.04

  261. Ariya Says:

    jajodo Says:
    May 17th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    @Ariya

    Ubuntu is also consistently credited with the other main upstream components.

    “Upstream components
    Linux Mint 13 features the following upstream components: Ubuntu 12.04, Linux 3.2, MATE 1.2, Cinnamon 1.4.”

    Sure, but you just can’t upgrade from Mint 12 to 13, right? If you try, Ubuntu 12.04 with Unity would come up, right?

    Edit by Clem: No, you can upgrade Mint 12 to 13 and you wouldn’t get Unity (unless you’re wreckless when it comes to using APT), but it’s not recommended and it shouldn’t be recommended in Ubuntu either. The philosophy on upgrades is different in the two projects. Read http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2

  262. Ariya Says:

    Try this and see, maybe you’d get a competition?
    http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=hybryde

  263. Lido Says:

    Escuse my english,is not my mother language.
    How can i do the USB wireless dongles to work in Linux Mint Maya,i have two of these,but don’t work:_one is with rtl 8187L chipset(Alpha)and second is with ralink chipset(geetek).Both same problems:wireless disabled by the hardware switch.Thanks in advance.Best regards.

  264. Craig Says:

    I’m really glad to see this. I’ve been trying not to get too comfortable with a fresh reinstall of 11. I’m downloading as I comment.

    Clem, it’s hard to believe you and your team read all these comments for consideration. Of course, some contain essential information while others are suggestions or questions. Which can be just as important. Regardless, it’s commendable.

    @ 184. Jack H, I hope what you’re saying is true. So many less updates to go through. Zero bluetooth updates to ignore.

    @ 53. Craig, I don’t know who you’re talking about but I doubt anybody would confuse us. Just in case, you could be The Original Craig while I could be Craig the Original.

  265. tacoz Says:

    Ok… I went with Mate 13 -32bit!
    Its running as a VirtualBox machine for now. Initially the system would not boot up with ext2 installed on /. Weird. As soon as I went with a default disk config… the boot worked. So far so great! I’ll feed back via the forums… if there are issues or other support posts to deal with!

    Great distro… well done team!

  266. Lido Says:

    Nobody,cannot give me an answer?

  267. Lido Says:

    Please.Elfuerte_andreas@yahoo.com

  268. uao Says:

    13 rc cinnamon

    it’s a great edition, more stable than the 12.

    I had to remove the nvidia propetary driver has they dont let my computer power off at all. I had the same issue also on the ubuntu precise. I’m using the gallium instead and they are very stable right now. The only problem I found with those is with inkscape that sometimes crashes and i need to restart cinnamon to clear the display from parts of its graphic ui sticking on the desktop.
    Removed all the mono stuff.
    I’m about sad has I had to remove all the changes on the search engines. I use google with firefox and foobar extension (plus all the disconnect extensions: facebook google and twitter); with the changes included on the mint-artwork-common it is impossible to use this combination to make easy searches as i usually do since years. Clem you should find an agreement with google otherwise i will continue to remove the mods added by that package, block the version of it on synaptic and reinstall firefox (it is too invasive, and i’m sad because this is very important for you). I will start to donate instead, but i’m not gonna use yahoo or duck for searches as they are not good as the google’s.

    Cinnamon is very great, i love it

    well done team

    Edit by Clem: That’s perfectly fine. Look, we do what makes sense for most people and we make sure we get funded, but in the end of the day it’s your computer and it’s up to you to decide what matters most. Regarding Google and Linux Mint, we’ve got a good relationship with them and I’m sure we’ll get a deal, but it’s very unlikely it will be done in time for Mint 13. To get vanilla Google, since Mint 12 you don’t need to change anything though, you can simply add it with a few mouse clicks. Can you drop me an email at root at linuxmint dot com? mint-artwork-common should not get in your way in regards to that.. if it does, maybe we overlooked something and I’d like to get more info if that’s the case.

  269. gianluca Says:

    After install, with cinnamon, I cannot find Terminal application…

    Edit by Clem: Make sure you’ve got gnome-terminal installed.

  270. phcook Says:

    Hi

    Bug report:

    In the Mate release, the mate-users-admin doesn’t work properly: nothing happens when launched, even in root mode/console.I can’t create users, groups, or change the existing users/groups.

    The same for LMDE/Mate release.

    Best regards.

    Phcook

  271. RTS INFORMATIQUE Says:

    I told myself “why is so much HTTP traffic lastly ?” so I took a look at the Apache logs, and… oh, Maya RC ISOs being Burnbit :D

    Between main edition and Debian Edition sure there is a big difference on how many packages have to be downloaded from Mint’s APT servers, but the main’s huge userbase still calls for some research for an improved update manager (best solution being a “pack system” including desktop-related default packages into a single torrent that update-manager could download after picking what it needs). Helping people Burnbit the ISOs is one thing, but about the APT mirror our server is quite far away from max speed and so are most of the other mirrors I think :) Many mirrors for many users.. could really be great with BitTorrent.

    Not sure on where Canonical will drive Ubuntu, but with their “5% shipping worldwide” announcement I fear they will try to make Ubuntu indissociable from Unity (“one desktop to rule them all and bye bye KDE, XFCE, LXDE, OpenBox,..”) making it almost impossible to “mintify” future editions smoothly. Should Mint Debian still be a “Mint for hardcore users” or may the Mint team consider doing like Canonical and building a very own long-term distro based on Debian giving maximal control over the package building ?

    Anyway bravo for this RC, quite amazing work behind Cinnamon :)

  272. Oliver Says:

    Great work (of art) – Thanks a lot! I have installed both versions, to decide which one to go for, in vbox on my current Mint-10. MATE works flawless and fluent while CINNAMON is chewy and slow.

  273. Rüssel Says:

    @viter
    I also had no sound after installation. My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-G31M-ES2L. I found this thread in the ubuntuforums regarding a similar motherboard:
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1979191
    Adding the line
    options snd-hda-intel model=generic
    at the end of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
    solved the audio problem immediately

  274. The Penguin Says:

    Congratulations on the Mint 13 MATE RC release! I look forward to trying it. I’m downloading both the 32 and 64 bit versions with Transmission right now. By the way, I had trouble with Linux Mint 12 and proprietary drivers for the Broadcom wireless NIC in my old Dell laptop. The driver from Linux Mint 9 works, but the one from Linux Mint 12 does not. I hope you can fix this in the final release of Linux Mint 13.

  275. viter Says:

    @Rüssel
    My problem with sound was solved simply by restarting my computer. :)

  276. Adam Says:

    Hooray! Downloading now. But please, by the time this goes Final, CHANGE THAT UGLY WALLPAPER. Everything else is beautiful, but that thing’s been stinking out ‘loud for three releases now.

  277. Ari Says:

    Hi , can anyone tell me how to solve the boinc 7.0.24 client crash when trying to join a project ?

  278. Geb Says:

    Installed LM13 as 64 bit version and encrypted home folder:

    1) error occured during installation, could solve with “install anyway” (sorry that I didn’t make a detailed note)

    2) at login, I have to enter the user name and password, would be nice if user would be proposed as usual

    so far, it works fine :-) , thx !

  279. oic Says:

    I agree with Adam. Please change that ugly wallpaper. I’m thinking of using this as my main OS, but would love a better default wallpaper. I know its easy to change it to something else, but first impression is everything . Maybe use an actual real HQ photo of a close up mint leaf with water dew

  280. oic Says:

    http://www.wallpapers.eu.com/view/mint-leaf-1280×800.html
    something like this

  281. cwwgateway Says:

    @Ariya
    Actually, you could theoretically update from 12 to 13. It wouldn’t be automated, but you could do it.
    apt install cinnamon
    gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and change oneiric to precise and lisa to maya
    apt update
    apt upgrade
    apt dist-upgrade
    repeat the above 3 until there are no updates left for both upgrade and dist-upgrade
    apt install mint-meta-cinnamon
    apt install cinnamon-themes

    And if you didn’t install Cinnamon and the other mint packages, you’d get a broken gnome-shell (broken because none of the extensions would work with 3.4). You’d have mint wallpaper (not as default) and you’d have the latest version of MATE. This might bork your installation though (just like the ubuntu update).

  282. Karl Montague Says:

    It’s looking amazing, as ever! Not just a LTS Mate distro (Woo-hoo! Now you HAVE to keep Gnome2 alive!), but a distro with choice of Cinnamon. It felt a little wrong recommending Mint 12 to newbies because of the desktop confusion, but it seems like it’s being ironed out into something amazing.

    On the wallpaper, I liked the Mint 12 style, but feel a little rebrand might be good. Google for “Linux Mint Screenshot” and you can instantly tell the difference between the versions. Since this is an LTS, it would be a great way to show it’s different.

    Great work, thanks!

  283. Caterkiller Says:

    Works perfectly in Virtualbox but doesn’t work with Mint4Win with both 32-bits Cinnamon and MATE.
    I’ll try the 64-bits editions.

  284. David M Addieville,IL Says:

    Still working good her Clem I really like all the Back grounds that came with the cinnamon ver. thanks again. Will the RC auto update it self to the final release ?

  285. Tony Duckett Says:

    Hi Clem and team thanks for another grate release I have been using the cinnamon edition for a couple of days now and I can only fined a couple of miner problems with it.
    the first one is with cinnamon itself it some times restarts itself and the second is sometimes nautilus just closes without warning other then that its very good. I have got one suggestion thou and that’s the default theme for cinnamon to be the Mictlan theme because I think it fits the elegance of Linux Mint hear are some screenshot’s of my desktop.

    https://plus.google.com/photos/103161714661136523551/albums/5743839593988113489

  286. N.Oliver Says:

    Im using Mate 86_64 for 2-nd day now, tried every stunt on him, even managed to install external tools as aircrack, wepcrackgui and so on…
    its simply put ROCK SOLID,running flawless on my Aspire 5535 laptop with HD 3200 graphics, changed the default ugly wallpaper thou :)
    Amazing work guys! Thank you all.

  287. bruno Says:

    Everything is DVD now??
    No more CD image?

  288. Bamm Says:

    But Report
    In Maya RC Mate Edition:
    Right-click the start menu and click “Edit menu”. The menu editor opens. Now start checking and unchecking some applications and folders. Click Close.
    Result: Nothing changed. The menu still shows exactly the same thing.
    Expected: It should be possible to choose which items appear in my menu.
    In Katya Gnome2, editing the menu this way changes the menu items instantly.

  289. Bamm Says:

    In comment 213 I meant Bug Report not But Report.

  290. Bamm Says:

    @Adam: Personally, I love the default Mint wallpaper. It’s called branding. It lets new user immediately know that this wonderful OS is called Linux Mint.

  291. Bamm Says:

    Clem, would it be possible to have Gimp 2.8?

  292. PB Says:

    Bamm@213

    I wonder if it has something to do with user privileges. I’m not sure what the command would be, but if you could edit the config file as root, and the changes stuck, then that would be my guess as to the problem. It’s funny though, as I don’t remember it being a problem before either.

    You could try browsing to the config file, and right click the containing folder, and open it as root and then open the config file for editing.

  293. Karl Says:

    Hi, I’m running Cinnamon live CD and I changed the panel preferences to flipped (panel at top). Once I did this the PC froze.

    Thank You.

  294. michael Says:

    Dear Clem, Linux Mint team, and MATE devs — thank you for the excellent MATE edition! I have to admit, when LM12 came out, I really wasn’t thrilled about the future of Linux Mint. Now that MATE and Cinnamon have both matured into their own stable desktops, I’m so happy that I can choose which one I want. Best Linux Mint edition since Helena, and that says a lot, because that’s the version that got me to switch to Linux full-time from Windows.

  295. The Penguin Says:

    An update to my previous comment. The Broadcom STA driver with Linux Mint 13 doesn’t work in my older Dell laptop. In Linux Mint 9, there were 2 proprietary Wireless drivers Broadcom B43 and Broadcom STA. The Broadcom B43 driver is the one that works. Too bad it’s not included with Linux Mint 13. I know proprietary drivers are not supported by Linux Mint, but please try to include the B43 driver in the final release. Please, please, please? It will make many Dell owners happy.

  296. caf4926 Says:

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1001087

    Installed Mate (Love it)
    Added Cinnamon> Logged out > Select Cinnamon (for this session only)
    Use Cinnamon > Logout
    Login expecting Mate (Didn’t re-select it) > Desktop came up with no panel, right click was active and desktop icons were there.
    Ctrl+Alt+Back to logout > Select Mate > Login and all is good

  297. caf4926 Says:

    Fantastic release
    Using Mate
    As nice as Cinnamon is, I like the stability of Mate. Well done Clem

  298. seneq Says:

    I have a problem with flash…when i want to see a video on youtube or any other video website… the video just plays extremely fast.. it plays one minute of the video in 5 seconds.. i don’t know how to fix this

  299. Marco Says:

    Dear all,

    I was used to try Mint releases by

    1) mounting the iso
    2) copying the content of casper into /casper/
    3) adding an entry in grub with
    kernel /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper live-media-path=/casper quiet splash –
    initrd /casper/initrd.lz

    but this time it is not working, giving

    initramfs unable to find a medium containing a live file system. Any hints? I tried all the four iso images.

  300. bobby Says:

    @Ariya : Perhaps you did not read my earlier post properly. I wrote clearly that we LM users know all this what you are saying. And know fully well that it is based on Ubuntu. So what you are harping on.

    If someone want to use Ubuntu with dock, who is stopping them. Everybody is free to use desktop as they wish.

    Next, if we can’nt upgrade from LM 12 to LM 13, I could not understand what’s the problem. Ubuntu users can do it. They should be happy. Wow! how great Ubuntu really is. Not all the bugs in Ubuntu 12.04 has been fixed, but the work has started on Ubuntu 12.10, That’s the great Ubuntu. The bugs and problems which have been reported for Ubuntu 11.10 some of them are fixed in Ubuntu 12.04. That’s the great Ubuntu. I can tell countless things, but that will be of no use. Perhaps before using Ubuntu, you should say thanks to Joey, Andrew and other community users, who are putting all the efforts to make it usable. If someone thinks just because of this we will start using Ubuntu, well then you are mistaken. But if anyone want to switch just because of this, they are most welcome.

    If you like that link of yours and other users everyone is welcome to use it.

  301. Grogorio Says:

    Installed and running nicely on my Acer 3820 Timeline X laptop…
    couple of things I noticed with Software Manager:
    - authentication required for each selection (noted before) no big deal
    - after selecting 5 packages for install, and going away for a few hours… return to find SM reports still only 8% installed… but in fact all packages are installed.

  302. Bill Says:

    I love MATE. It’s a clean, fast, uncomplicated, and efficient OS. My favorite. My question is: if I install it, will I be able to upgrade the RC to the final release without another install?

    I encountered no problems running it from the CD. Everything worked including Flash, Wine, sound–everything. I like it when an OS really delivers and this one does—right out of the box.

    Thanks,
    Bill

  303. Pete Says:

    I was using Linux Mint 12 and installed Ubuntu 12.04. Ubuntu 12.04 with Gnome Classic panel looks and feels better than Linux Mint 13. Ubuntu 12.04 MDM Login screen looks very attractive..Just install:
    # sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
    Logout and choose Gnome Classic from Login Screen…..Add New desktop panel and it will look and feel like Gnome 2…..I hated and still hates Unity and Gnome Shell…Cinnamon is much better than both of them…You have done some wonderful work and we hope that Mint in future will turn into an attractive and responsive desktop system….

  304. cra1g321 Says:

    Recently installed Mint 13 Mate edition on my new system.

    Only two little bugs i’ve noticed so far is –

    1. Networtmanager applet icon changes when connected to vpn. It changes from mint-x or mint-z etc to the default gnome icon for it.

    2. Mintupdates still runs at startup – I tried to disable mintupdate from running after I login by using startup applications program but it still loads.

    two minor little things that things, everything else is running perfectly, and mate makes it feel like im using my old linux mint 9 LTS desktop again, which IMO was the best LM release ever. Although I think LM13 is going to beat it :)

    Also want to say thanks to Clem and anyone else involved in the MATE project, MATE is really the only DE I like to use these days.

  305. amplified Says:

    Attempted two (2) installs (seperate downloads / seperate discs / etc) to my asus essentio a8 (hvly modd) – both times the upon reboot, && upon attempting to load the filesystem, output: no such partition (error).

    Subsequently sucessfully installed ubuntu 12.04 from a scratched up disc with not a hitch, so i rule out any integrity issues w/ the hardware (my filesystem is located on an 120gig intel SSD for deving (ext 4, /) & the mechanical 900 gig mntd ext3 / 4.

    any similar error

  306. JBlock Says:

    Installed Cinnamon 64-bit and it’s running well. Only ran into a few hiccups that I haven’t been able to replicate.

  307. bobby Says:

    I don’nt know why but the sound quality of LMDE-MATE seems better than Mint-13 MATE.

  308. Chris Says:

    I love Mint 13 Cinnamon. I tried Cinnamon a few months ago on Mint 12 and I liked it but I like it better now. The added themes and other settings are great. It’s much more configurable than other Gnome 3 GUIs, even more so than Gnome Fallback.

    One minor issue: the “Mint Flashplugin” you have installed by default is crap. It won’t work with the latest version of Google Chrome. I was wondering why Chrome was claiming it was out of date when Mint Update was saying my system was up to date. Finally, I opened Synaptic and found the trouble. I replaced “Mint Flash” with the standard Adobe flash plugin and now it’s going as it should. So, anybody using Chrome, you’ll want to replace the installed flash plugin with the standard flash plugin.

    Edit by Clem: We’re holding back on Flash. The latest plugin comes with important regressions and we weren’t happy with upgrading it. We test things with Firefox though, mileage may vary with other browsers.

  309. Pierre Dedeckere Says:

    I couldn’t even install Mint13.
    I saw the following bug:
    bug: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000009C

    I have a picture of the freezing screen.

  310. ritterkeks Says:

    I am again surprised how sound through pulse is so much better under LM with Cinnamon compared to Precise with Unity.
    Not as flawless as with LMDE, but I think I can get it to work.
    Now hopefully my X-freezes are gone with Maya, too.

    One bug I think, here on Cinnamon when using two Displays (btw. thats also what makes my audio sloppy):
    two different resolutions, but background gets not “stretched” as it should, there is a weird black bar on top of the -first- image on the second monitor.
    screenshot: http://minus.com/mjMhbeC3u/
    Resolution was 1440×1050 on 1st, 1680×1050 on 2nd

    Thank you guys for your hard work!

  311. Caterkiller Says:

    Don’t know why but both 32-bits releases don’t work here with Mint4win. It seems it lacks to mount an ISO or something like that.

    64-bit Cinnamon version works perfectly with Mint4win. Maybe because I’m using Windows 7 64-bits ??? It would be strange !

    Didn’t tried the MATE version with Mint4win.

    PS : sorry for my approximative english, I’m french :)

  312. ajay Says:

    not able to download the torrent file

  313. Dmitry Says:

    I’m on Mint Lisa KDE, looking forward to see KDE version!

  314. bert07 Says:

    Same bug as in Ubuntu LTS >> Bug 950295

    DVD won’t boot when a b43 wireless card is detected.

    Very important for people with a b43 card!

  315. bobby Says:

    @Bamm-213 : As you said right click on menu and edit option. I checked it, its working on my computer perfectly, it is doing everything addition, deleting. Only thing is if you click on games, education etc. or add some menu, it will work only if you install some games and educational software or put some software in that category. If there is no software entry for that menu, it won’nt show.

  316. Zorro Says:

    Hello Clem and Mint Team. LMDE (XFCE) is by far my favorite, and I like trying the other editions too. (Currently installing Maya Cinnamon after trying in live mode.) Something I noticed about the installers, the Debian installer is nice and straight-forward (once you learn about partitioning). I would like to see the graphical timezone selector, but it’s not a big deal.
    My real complaint is the installer for the Ubuntu based versions — do I really need to download all the language packs if I’m only going to be using English? It adds more than 20 minutes to the install time (I don’t have the fastest internet :) ).
    Thanks again for all your great work!

  317. jord123 Says:

    I noticed that whenever cinnamon starts it changes the window theme back to defaults and the only way to turn it back to normal is to select the window theme which is very annoying I hope this gets fixed before release.
    This is Cinnamon 32 bit I am talking about

  318. MasterPJ Says:

    @Clem
    It’s not possibile to log into gnome classic session (in both versions, with the message: “Xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2); falling back to default session”.) because of a bug in MDM. In fact installing lightdm and selecting gnome classic session it works!
    Please fix it before going to stable release…

    Edit by Clem: Fixed (still in Romeo at the moment), expect an update.

  319. bobby Says:

    @Chris-224 : Thanks for the tip. I also noticed it while using google chrome. But could not figure out what’s the problem.

    @Zorro : I agree with you on language packs. I would say that even update packages is also not needed while installation. Because even after all this, system on first boot shows many updates, it can be done from there. So now the trick is (except for poor KDE users, who can’nt do anything while installation), while installation is going on and when it shows updating packages/ installing language packages, you can press skip button on the right side, and it will install rest of the system, by skipping packages/ and languages packs. Except these two, don’nt press skip otherwise, you will be stuck in half installation.

  320. Bamm Says:

    Definition of Fork:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29

    “a project fork happens when developers take a copy of source code from one software package and start independent development on it, creating a distinct piece of software. The term often implies not merely a development branch, but a split in the developer community, a form of schism.”

  321. Bamm Says:

    and what does the ability or inability to upgrade have to do with the definition of fork? are you saying that if software doesn’t provide an upgrade mechanism, therefore it is a fork? sounds non-sequitur to me.

  322. hamburn Says:

    wow, have Maya-Mate installed just now.

    Nostalgia pure, I love it.

  323. Michal Says:

    Christ, Thank you for Your Maya desktop selection!!!!! Cheers guys.

  324. Mike Lewis (mike-chiper) Says:

    Tried this new Cinnamon Mint 13 on a Dell D600 laptop. The desktop is blue, the bottom bar is correct. Clicking on firefox brings up a blank area surrounded by a “shadow” nothing inside. Same for Terminal.

    LSPCI reports video as: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02)

    Additional: Pentium M with 2 gig ram, 80gb hard drive.

    Mate works well. Just a side note: same with LMDE on the blue.

    When logging off for an instant I see the proper background.

  325. Brian36 Says:

    Re LM13-MATE-1.2 – First Live Impressions:
    It’s looking good and should get me back to the Mint-Gnome-like experience that I want. I need the Wine and Ham Radio apps and they seem to be there. Many thanks Clem and the Team. I shall try installing it on another machine and report back. At the moment I’m using LM12-KDE (which is not at all bad, BTW) whilst I’m waiting for the final release.

  326. hamburn Says:

    nostalgia pure, right, but no sound ;-(

    will try cinnamon

  327. Verix Says:

    More bugs I’ve discovered:

    - I removed the bluetooth applet, but it came back by itself except with bluetooth disabled. If I open the add/remove applet window, it shows that the bluetooth applet is not enabled, even though it’s there on the panel.
    - After installing Gnome Shell, it doesn’t show up in the MDM session options. There’s no way to login to it.
    - Sometime you need to click twice on the show Desktop icon for the Desktop to appear.

  328. Verix Says:

    One more issue: In Ubuntu, scrolling the mouse over the sound indicator icon shows up the volume level bar while its changing. In Cinnamon, it only changes the volume without showing the volume bar. I find the Ubuntu implementation way more intuitive, and it shouldn’t take much work to implement it. Cheers.

  329. Jan E. Says:

    Little question.. I am a Mint-user since Mint 7. Last week I had to buy a new laptop, because the old one broke down. My new laptop has a Nvidia GT520MX videocard, which is not supported bij Mint. Installing Bumblebee also doesn’t work.
    I checked the Nvidia site and found out that the right drivers are available since march or april 2012. I tried to install them manually, but it failed completely.
    Does anyone have an idea how long it will take until the right drivers will be available in Linux Mint?

  330. hamburn Says:

    also in Cinnamon no sound. Now what do I do? Looking for an distro that works.

  331. hopper Says:

    Ok, now I hate you Mint team! I just got precise set up very nicely with everything I need (wine keeps hiccuping all over me though, but anyway…) and here you come along with a beauty like Maya!! lol. Great job team! Even for an RC it’s working fantastically on live usb. Default wallpapers are very nice. Lisa hated my AMD machine for some reason (except for KDE, that’s FTW!) but cinnamon is working well so far. Waiting for final to install so I can perform the dreaded ATI driver activation!

    Question: If I install now, is it just a matter of updating to be on final release? Or is there a repo adjustment that needs to happen as well?

    In any case, great job as usual!

  332. caf4926 Says:

    Using 13RC Mate
    If I switch Gnome compositing on, the responsiveness is much quicker!! Explain that….

    Edit by Clem: I guess your GPU then handles the rendering and that frees your CPU and RAM for more important things.

  333. akavir Says:

    Thank you mint team for fixing the MDM session loading issues! I love the new Cairo-dock 3.0. BEST SESSION EVER!!! And while i’m at it Mint 13, BEST DISTRO EVER!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOO

  334. blackcat101 Says:

    Yay!

    Both editions are just awesome! I can’t choose ;) But is it possible to run both desktops in one mint 13 OS?

    Small bugs I found with 64bit editions:
    MATE: some weird unresponsive window behavior now and again, could not replicate it again.
    Date/time does not sit on the righthand side of the task bar, but in the middle (when changing between windowed mode and full screen with vmware 8.0.2)
    Cinnamon: Themes are not working, when choosing another theme, nothing happens (I only realized this after installing latest patches)

    But well done, seems very stable! :)

  335. Photon Says:

    Typing this message from a live of LM13-Mate, this almost-release is amazing. I already have the same feeling as when I discovered Ubuntu 5 years ago, a feeling of consistence, and… choice! It’s about time we had full personalization options back on our desktop (wink to GDM/MDM).
    Thank you very much to the whole team!

  336. Zorro Says:

    I know Don mentions this at #70, but I wanted to say it too since I really like the classic (top and bottom) panels. The main panel moved to the top and a blank one appear at the bottom after restart. I can’t find a way to add applets to the 2nd panel (other than dragging it from the first panel)… it doesn’t seem allow duplicates of an applet (so I can’t have clock and main menu on both top and bottom). Just something to fix since “Classic” panels were offered as an option. :)

  337. Serg Says:

    1. You do right the create two edition;
    2. Me like MATE, because it’s reali classic desktop;
    3. Cinnamon it’s for much powerful computer.

    My choice is MATE! You got tu continium your main edition whit MATE!

  338. cra1g321 Says:

    The mint-flashplugin is rather out-of-date.

    Not sure if this is due to a particular reason, but I always like to have it as up-to-date as possible, so I removed it and installed flashplugin but now my browsers freeze whenever flash videos start to play.

    Running LM13 x64 MATE

    Edit by Clem: We won’t update it (yet anyway) due to important regressions in the latest version of the plugin.

  339. 834gl3s Says:

    I really like the version with cinnamon. Perhaps it is due to my liking of gnome-shell but cinnamon to me is sleeker and more responsive.

  340. Vincent Vermeulen Says:

    Some of the default installed Firefox bookmarks are dead links. antikythera shared that on the forums here http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=102433. Also noting that links to the Cinnamon and MATE websites are not included ;)

  341. Joe Says:

    Hi all, Good work Mint team on GUI it looks weary nice.
    But I have same problems with Cinnamon 64-bit – same as with Ubuntu.
    Live CD works fine (I-m writing you this from Live Cinnamon 64-bit USB).
    When I installing Mint to Laptop ASUS 1215B AMD E350, I get error at the end of installation. When install program configure grub boot loader, PC freezes and I got black screen of death.

  342. MasterPJ Says:

    MDM was fixed, now we can login into gnome classic session. Tnx Clem :)

  343. phcook Says:

    Hi all

    I submitted a bug report about mate-users-admin (and a similar one exists for mate-services-admin after complete installation) in LM13/Mate.

    It seems to have desappeared; any news about it?

    Best regards

    phcook

    ps: thanks to the team for its work!

    Edit by Clem: I’m not sure, but I’ve made note of it personally. Thanks.

  344. Craig Says:

    I’ve been using MATE in Virtualbox. I haven’t encountered any bugs so far except for minor things like occasional flickering of the desktop icons and a sometime sluggish, disappearing cursor. These could be caused by the virtual environment. I’d say great job Mint and MATE teams!

  345. Christian Says:

    Writing from LM 13 Cinnamon 64-bit. Installed it on my second partition and tested now for one and a half day.

    Unfortunately my last comment was not published, for whatever reason… So trying it again.

    What I like:
    - System runs smoothly, Cinnamon integration is well done
    - No big bugs yet

    What I don’t like:
    - MDM Logon Manager does not have that elegant look as LightDM. Even worse, having to type my username at every logon is not comfortable. Choosing from a list would be fine. Maybe there is a configuration for that, but I did not find it
    - Banshee remote control is integrated in the sound applet, but after starting it, a banshee icon with remote control appears. This doubles functionality and uses space on the panel

    Bugs I found:
    - Translation of MintMenu and some other parts of Cinnamon and System dialogues is not complete, although language pack (German) seems to be installed correctly
    - After logon, for more than 10 seconds screen is black. On LM 12 during this time at least the desktop wallpaper was visible
    - Boot splash screen is black, even after cofiguring it like described in release notes
    - My Wireless Network Card (Ralink RT2790) has a lower field strengh of only 70% to 75% (Network Icon). Using LM 12 I get field strengh of 85% under exactly the same conditions. I’m not sure though, if this might be simply a problem of calculating and displaying the field strengh. Before connecting to my network, the field strengh is displayed as 85%, after connecting falls down to 70%…
    - Had Skype memory leak when starting a call, but only once. System froze and memory use was up to 4 GiB, before the system killed Skype automatically

    Last but not least I want to thank Clem and the team for producing this quality distribution. I am trying it since LM9 and using it as my main OS since LM10. Keep on!
    Please also keep inventing Cinnamon, which is my shell of choice. I like the fact that is uses the new technology of Gnome3 but is tradional and much more configurable at the same time.

    Edit by Clem: Hi Christian, I replied to your first comment… sorry for the delay. Because of our anti-spam plugin, some comments need to be approved before they appear (if it’s the first time you comment on the blog for instance). We usually do this on a daily basis, but we got delayed a bit there and there’s a lot of comments to go through :)

  346. RavenFB Says:

    IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are installing LM13-Cinnamon, and intend to keep the /home of a previous install, BEFORE installing, you should disable all applets and extensions for Cinnamon. There are some that are broken, and will cause compositing to fail, resulting in no panels, menus, or window buttons! (I can confirm that Bownz “Gnome-like menus” causes this, others I am not sure about yet.)
    Other than this, LM13-64bit-Cinnamon is running beautifully! Hats off to Clem for putting together what is, so far, the most stable and enjoyable test-build I have used yet. Can’t wait to see where Maya is headed!

  347. MasterPJ Says:

    @Clem, bug report:
    In virtualbox when using compiz, with mate version, by the command “compiz –replace” after few moment the desktop freeze. And the window theme decoration is not mint-x anylonger but it gets different, green and fat.

  348. RavenFB Says:

    Addendum to previous: Actually, @Bownz “Gnome-Like Menus” DO work fine, the problem is that you lose the installed schemas.xml files when you install LM13. Reinstalling and compiling them will fix it… but it helps to have the applets disabled until you get that sorted out. Don’t want anyone to think I am attacking @Bownz, as his work is quite impressive. Hope this tidbit helps Cinnamon users coming over from 12 :)

  349. cshin9 Says:

    Will the next KDE edition be based on the main edition or LMDE? There were plans to move KDE and Fluxbox editions to LMDE, and Maya is an LTS.

  350. Chad Says:

    I’ve been excited to see this release. It’s wonderful work by the team. I started with Lisa, and I like the changes the team put together since the 12 release. The only issue I’ve had out of the box, is Thunderbird, loaded from the .iso doesn’t work. It starts, but will not connect to any email accounts that I have (all Gmail). Other than that, it’s spot on. I prefer the Cinnamon desktop, it’s becoming more polished and extensible. Great work!

  351. nmcaz Says:

    Great job Mint team!
    Just tried the MATE version for about 5 hours in live usb mode (waiting for final version to set up my dualboot), and I must say it is beautiful! Worked almost perfectly with my hardware configuration.

    3 things to report:
    - in live usb mode I had no sound. I think it is because I did not install the proprietary drivers,but will set up a VM to test this further. Video and flash worked perfectly.
    - when logging out there was no prompt to remove USB disk before shut down.
    - noticed the temperature a litle bit higher than usual. Maybe this is normal without graphics card drivers installed, but I should take this chance to ask if the ASPM bug in this kernel version was fixed? I
    Best regard and thanks for what seems to be an excellent distro!

    PS: will try both versions furher and report any problems that i may encounter :)

  352. akavir Says:

    @224
    You know Adobe dropped Flash support for linux right? We’re frozen with the last stable build til either someone can opensource it somehow or HTML 5 gets wider support!

  353. Jerry Says:

    Installed the Mate 64 bit version and compared it against Xubuntu 12.04. Mint 13 with Mate is MUCH friendlier and quite a lot faster than Xubuntu 12.04 in almost every aspect.

  354. here Says:

    Congrats! excellent release, I installed it and it works great!! I cant wait until the final so I replace my Mint 11 for it..

    I have one request if possible, it would be great if this release has some kind of software that can be used to remote control it..
    Vino (the one already installed) is probably the most horrendous software out there, after 2 releases is still broken… very slooooooow! its totally unusable…I dont think this peace of software ever would be usable… Mint should get rid of it for good… Installing VNC is a pain and its slow too..
    I use NoMachine right now and it works great with Mint 11 – the best software I was able to find.. sadly it does not work properly with 12 or 13, it gives the classic desktop (not cool) so not really good.. is there any other option out there can actually ‘work’?.. this same problem is present with Ubuntu.
    Other than that! great release…

  355. Nick Says:

    Here are some minor bugs I’ve found in the MATE 64 edition:
    1. mate-power-preferences, i.e. ‘Power Management Preferences’ is not accessible via the main menu or the settings screen, like it used to be in GNOME 2.
    2. In System Profiler and Benchmark, under Operating System > Desktop Environment, it says: ‘Unknown (Window Manager: Marco)’. I assume it should say ‘MATE’.
    3. The text editor Pluma is Called ‘pluma’ (lower-case p) on the top of its windows. This is only very minor, but it looks a bit unprofessional.

    Apart from these, everything seems great to me!

  356. Bill Says:

    Yesterday I tested Mint 13 64 bit Cinnamon and it was great as I posted in msg 188 above. Today I tested the MATE version 64 bit. I was not so impressed. At first I thought it was so close to Gnome 2 that it would be like an old friend. But as soon as I tried to run Fusion-icon and set Compiz as the WM, sure, I got Wobbly Windows, but my CPU usage still goes up from 3%-4% to 26%-31% (for all 4 CPU’s). Not good. Yes although my automobile will go to 7,000 RPM’s, I do not want it to idle at 3,000 RPM’s. I just will not use MATE until this is fixed.

    For me I will continue to use Xubuntu for my desire to hang on to Gnome 2 (everything works including fusion and compiz and emerald themes), and I will continue to use Mint 13 Cinnamon 64 bit to look to the future. It’s dual boot for me, but no MATE thank you.

  357. Gilgamesh Says:

    feedback as follows: -1 fix the splash screen issue
    -2 add aMsn to the repository
    -3 add a netspeed applet that monitors mobile broadband to CINNAMON
    -4 Make mate love COMPIZ
    i’m really amused and amazed at the shutdown speed of cinnamon! fantastico!!maybe u’ll consider rendering boot that fast!! LINUX MINT is still the king of LINUX!!kkeep going!great job pals!!!

  358. James Says:

    Great job.

    Time to build the new Virtual Appliances of LinuxMint 13
    http://virtualboximages.com/LinuxMint+13+Mate+32Bit+VirtualBox+VDI+Virtual+Computer

  359. James Says:

    Mate 32bit installs in VirtualBox 4.1.14 without issue.
    Client Additions working wonderfully, too.

    Great job

  360. bobby Says:

    Update and upgrade everything is very slow, it is downloading in bites not even kbs. Servers?

  361. caf4926 Says:

    @cra1g321
    If you use the latest flash

    **w.imagebam.com/image/68a12d190577309

  362. Mike Says:

    @254.
    I haven’t tested this release yet but….
    Was your Xubuntu a 12.04 release? If so, and compiz still works just as well as it did back in 10.04, disregard this post as I am obviously talking out of my bum.

    That CPU overhead is likely a compiz related issue, not a mate issue.

    There was a bug in compiz that caused unity to not V-synch properly making window drags eventually appear choppy and to suddenly cause compiz/xorg to load up the CPU to 100%. The patch for that released with ubuntu 12.04 and since it forced a full refresh rate from compiz, it stopped the window drag errors… but introduced higher load for absolutely every other action.

    Personally I think compiz has always been one major regression away from being useful.
    The decision to base unity on it was silly and the attempts to patch for that are now hurting all the other implimentations.

  363. Bruce R Says:

    Wow, so many Comments, so reconciliation before Formal Release could be a nightmare, even if the unreal or irrellevant ones are ignored !
    Having had a play with LiveDVD sessions I’ve installed 64bit MATE and Cinnamon versions on Lexar-Kodak ’32GB’ USB keys, to find that like most Series 3 kernel distros they are rather slow or hesitant in operation, with VLC Player very reluctant to play videoDVDs even with proprietary NVIDIA drivers installed, so I guess that I will have to await slicker formal release and install on a 50% faster,USB-connected hard drive.
    I was pleased to find that, unlike LMDE, I could revert to GRUB0.97, making multiple boot easier to manage, thus retaining easy ReStart access to the host PC’s other Operating Systems.
    However, in Cinnamon I haven’t yet found any form of Workspace Switcher beyond Ctrl_Alt left/right arrow, whilst in MATE the CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor doesn’t even display anything on the Panel, let alone work, but I guess that’s down to MATE to eventually fix.
    I also guess that the Ubuntu team(s) are wreaking their usual new release havoc with repository package versions and dependencies, because AcidRip has started working after at first not recognising optical drives, but Sound-Juicer MP3 Extraction simply crashes and is now fixed at VBR=4 Quality and so can’t be modified to sound expert recommended VBR=2 Quality, which I will try to feedback as a shortcoming to Ross Burton.
    Overall, MATE is still looking like the best bet for me, with visible Workspace Switcher and other Panel applets, especially Hardware Sensor Monitoring and Weather Reports !
    Cinnamon seems slicker than for LMDE, but isn’t there yet IMO.
    Like others, I miss Compiz Wall/Cube operation across Workspaces that makes multiple desktops so easy and enjoyable in LM9 or ZorinOS5.2 but the Zorin brothers may come up with something soon, who knows.

  364. RodCoxwell Says:

    All I can say is: Wow. Mint 12 was the hook and sinker, but the RC for 13 is great. This is wonderful. Great job!

  365. RodCoxwell Says:

    I would recommend this to any PC user. Again, great job!

  366. Martin Says:

    A couple of days ago, I wrote a comment. It never showed up on the blog. Why!

    Edit by Clem: Sorry about the delay, anti-spam keeps comments from new visitors in moderation until they’re manually approved.

  367. LinuxBaby Says:

    It works very well except from one things.

    while installing from a USB-drive the systems recognizes my USB-drive as SDA and the SATA-harddrive as SDB (they’re both bootable) and happen to install GRUB on my USB-drive and setting it up as the primary boot-device rendering both the system on hard-drive and my bootable USB-drive. After tha the system will not boot if you remove the usb-drive and restart, saying “no such partition”. Ideally the system should recognize my primary harddrive as SDA and my USB-drive as SDB like in the older versions.

    Edit by Clem: I’m not sure whether that was caused by a fix we made in mintconstructor… Mint couldn’t boot on computers where the CD/USB device switched order during the boot sequence (i.e. when the CD’s kernel just couldn’t find the CD basically….. I know, it sounds weird, but it makes sense if you know how the live boot sequence works). So we fixed that.. and Mint now works on more configurations than before, but it still not responsible for deciding which is sda and which is sdb, as far as I know that’s down to to the bios itself. I think the problem here is Ubiquity… it should rule out the live media and make sure it isn’t selected by default, rather than just defaulting the combo on sda as it does now.

  368. LinuxBaby Says:

    Oh forgot to say it is on the Cinnamon-edition (32 bit). I have not tested with MATE.

  369. BillyJim47 Says:

    @Bruce R – click the settings icon ( ^ ) on the task bar, select add/remove applets, scroll to the bottom and check Workspace Switcher.

  370. Joe Says:

    Update on my previous post.
    Cinnamon 32-bit version of MINT is working fine on ASUS 1215B AMD fusion APU but Cinnamon 64-bit don’t work. Some problems with grub. I have try to fix that with ubuntu boot-repair but no success.

    32bit version is working great and also looks great :)
    I really like Cinnamon GUI. Thank you for good work MINT team.

  371. BillyJim47 Says:

    BTW – I’m really liking the Mint 13RC Cinnamon version. Glad we have some long term direction from Mint with Mate & Cinnamon. Mint 12 was OK with kinda gnome3, but felt temporary. I’ll be able to fully support the switch to Mint 13 for my non-geek Windows friends. Probably wait to install on my hard drive until the final release. Got too many other OS’s on my PC right now. Then again, might nuke Win8cp since no touch screen makes it a crappy Win7.

  372. tux-sven Says:

    @ Bill:

    According to high CPU usage in MATE when running Compiz:

    In a terminal type “mateconf-editor”

    When the editor opens:

    Go to /desktop/mate/session/required_components/windowmanager
    And replace marco with compiz

  373. Jean-Luc Says:

    Hello !

    (Apologize for my unperfect english, I’m a Frenchie ;-)

    Very ancient PC-user (MS-DOS 1983-1995; Windows 1993-2009 – but only up to XP, Vista and Seven being “gas-plants” heavy and bugs-filled; Ubuntu 2009-2012), as much I liked Gnome-2, as much I hate Unity (my 27″ screen is not a phone screen !) and Gnome-3 (even though containing good enhancements, it remains and unfinished product with a lot of regression vs Gnome-2).
    So, these last months, I tried various ways for replacement of my old Ubuntu 10.04 (for my own, the best issue in Ubuntu releases), and quickly I was seduced with the new Mint release, and in a first time by Cinnamon, which seemed avoid almost all misses of Gnome-3 by preserving advantages of Gnome-2. But your LMDE edition merged Mate and Cinnamon modules, even after choice of Cinnamon.

    Naturally, I was waiting for a main edition, LMDE coming with old versions for a lot of tools (as LibreOffice, which all 3.4 releases are bugged, as were all 3.1 and 3.2). So I tried RC as soon as available.

    After installing Maya RC Cinnamon, I was disappointed, some Gnome-2 advantages beeing no more presents : they were Mate implementations, as the clock !

    Please find below a short lit of problems I encountered in all 2012 version currently available :

    All types :
    - Since 3 years, I used “right-Windows” key as “compose” : it’s place just aside “AltGr” is a great advantage. But Mint seems reserve it for a “menu” usage, forcing to use the “left-windows”. How to do to liberate usage of “right-windows” ?
    - Ubuntu offers, among background screens, automatic changing pictures (as each half-hour) based on an xml file. This doesn’t operate with Mint. Why ?

    LMDE :
    - I didn’t try Mate option, but Cinnamon uses some Mate functions, so it’s bastard and prevent from good testing the product…

    Maya RC Cinnamon :
    - Gnome-3 clock with cinnamon option totally without effect : so nothing can be changed except date/hour. Can’t display seconds nor day nor format… Why Cinnamon doesn’t keep Gnome-2 clock, light-years above its replacement ? Or the clock I found in LMDE, seems a gnome-2 clock with better formatting possibilities ?
    - After a few boots of Cinnamon, it changed language to english, even all choices remained “french”. Despite a lot of change/restore parameters, I never success to restore french display ! On each logging, it advertised me that language was changed and asked if I want change directories names (“images” to “pictures”, etc.). I seems to be a major bug, excluding Cinnamon as choice, at least until a future version.

    Maya RC Mate :
    - at the moment, only “all type” problems. Fortunately, I can live with. ;-)

    Note 1: I tried Gnome 3 on all sides, including 3.4. Even this one contains only 20% real enhancements and 80% regressions… I think we have to wait a Gnome-4 to have a real new product. Unless forks as Mate or Cinnamon take the place meanwhile.

    Note 2: The real name for Mate shoud be “Maté”. In french, “mate” means “dull”, “not shiny”. Not a namer for a success-story. ;-)

  374. Guido Says:

    Hello!

    both version of Linux Mint 13 does not play any DVX/AVI movies online.

    bottom bar, in particular the ply length is full colored and if you click on play does not start any video.

    the sounds control gave you a mute setting already.

    my compliments, they are very nice, smooth and fast for bot uploading the system and shutting down. A little blink of eye on Mate version.

    Hooping you fix these bug, way to go guys, thank you!

    Guido

  375. Daniel4m Says:

    Installed LM13 (Cinnamon version) last night successfully. During the boot with LiveUSB (made with Unebotin), (only)with option “Compatibility mode “, I have reported the following problems with the X server and MDM:

    The X server is now disabled. Restart MDM when it is configured correctly.

    Would you like to view the detailed X server uotput as well?

    I will upload pictures of messages soon

  376. dalcde Says:

    Works perfectly in VBox, except that Cinnamon cannot be loaded in Live CD (works when installed). These are some things you might want to work on:
    1) Not using the default Cinnamon theme doesn’t make much sense if you are the developer of Cinnamon. I agree that the graphite theme is much better, but we can make it the default in Cinnamon(with agreement from the artist creating the theme) so it makes more sense.
    2) GIMP 2.8? I know it didn’t get into Ubuntu 12.04, but will you be able to provide it through the Mint repositories? Not really that important, but Single-Window mode can certainly attract more new users
    3) As many have mentioned, it’s time for a new background.

    Edit by Clem: Cinnamon is developed with other distributions in mind. If tomorrow we make a Mint-X Cinnamon theme, it won’t be part of Cinnamon, it will only be part of Mint. As for the default Cinnamon theme, its main purpose is to make it easy for developers to test (that’s why it’s grey, to see light and dark content easily on top of it).

  377. sgr Says:

    Hi,I have put ‘Maya-MATE’on both my HP 550 laptop and MSI netbook.
    both works superb out of the box but I’m having minor issue with wallpapper on the netbook MSI U135DX which is following:
    after boot wallpapper doesn’t apear sometimes..
    I’m getting black screen as if I have black wallpapper set up other stuff works fine- panels etc.

    BTW.I think you should make separate edition for DEBIAN too to avoid those anonying duplicate apps.

    Big fan.

  378. Orographic Says:

    I’ve also gone with Mate after Clem’s recommendation. I had been using Cinnamon since its initial release on Mint 12 and really liked it, although it is a little slower than Mate on my first generation Core i3 desktop with 4G of RAM.

    Apart from updates being awfully slow tonight, Australian east coast time, I have no complaints so far. Mate is so customisable, more so than Cinnamon. As I am also using Ubuntu 12.04, I set up Mate desktop like this:

    https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IyPuN59iUpDY2LrxPklWVMeSFEbI8NoLw2wb6hf38Cw?feat=directlink

    At this stage, if Mate is stable, I will stick with it as my main distro.

  379. eanfrid Says:

    Regarding at least Cinnamon 64bit-edition.

    The current applications menu shows untranslated application group labels e.g accessories, graphics, office, system tools (respectively instead of accessoires, graphique(s), bureautique, outils système). “Computer” and “Home” desktop icon labels are also not translated.

    The login screen is partially translated too, still saying “welcome to $HOSTNAME” where it should read “Bienvenue sur $HOSTNAME”.

    Your work is awesome and the best choice IMHO for any user coming for Windows (BTW it was quite easy to convince my mother to replace Windows Seven with Linux Mint on her 5-years-old PC).

    Edit by Clem: We fixed “Welcome” not being translated in the login screen (there’s an update for it.. not sure if it’s still in Romeo right now). To translate the desktop icons, please check the release notes.

  380. Jean-Luc Says:

    Hello !

    (Apologize for my unperfect english, I’m a Frenchie ;-)

    Very ancient PC-user (MS-DOS 1983-1995; Windows 1993-2009 – but only up to XP, Vista and Seven being “gas-plants” heavy and bugs-filled; Ubuntu 2009-2012), as much I liked Gnome-2, as much I hate Unity (my 27″ screen is not a phone screen !) and Gnome-3 (even though containing good enhancements, it remains and unfinished product with a lot of regression vs Gnome-2).
    So, these last months, I tried various ways for replacement of my old Ubuntu 10.04 (for my own, the best issue in Ubuntu releases), and quickly I was seduced with the new Mint release, and in a first time by Cinnamon, which seemed avoid almost all misses of Gnome-3 by preserving advantages of Gnome-2. But your LMDE edition merged Mate and Cinnamon modules, even after choice of Cinnamon.

    Naturally, I was waiting for a main edition, LMDE coming with old versions for a lot of tools (as LibreOffice, which all 3.4 releases are bugged, as were all 3.1 and 3.2). So I tried RC as soon as available.

    After installing Maya RC Cinnamon, I was disappointed, some Gnome-2 advantages beeing no more presents : they were Mate implementations, as the clock !

    Please find below a short lit of problems I encountered in all 2012 version currently available :

    All types :
    - Since 3 years, I used “right-Windows” key as “compose” : it’s place just aside “AltGr” is a great advantage. But Mint seems reserve it for a “menu” usage, forcing to use the “left-windows”. How to do to liberate usage of “right-windows” ?
    - Ubuntu offers, among background screens, automatic changing pictures (as each half-hour) based on an xml file. This doesn’t operate with Mint. Why ?

    LMDE :
    - I didn’t try Mate option, but Cinnamon uses some Mate functions, so it’s bastard and prevent from good testing the product…

    Maya RC Cinnamon :
    - Gnome-3 clock with cinnamon option totally without effect : so nothing can be changed except date/hour. Can’t display seconds nor day nor format… Why Cinnamon doesn’t keep Gnome-2 clock, light-years above its replacement ? Or the clock I found in LMDE, seems a gnome-2 clock with better formatting possibilities ?
    - After a few boots of Cinnamon, it changed language to english, even all choices remained “french”. Despite a lot of change/restore parameters, I never success to restore french display ! On each logging, it advertised me that language was changed and asked if I want change directories names (“images” to “pictures”, etc.). I seems to be a major bug, excluding Cinnamon as choice, at least until a future version.

    Maya RC Mate :
    - at the moment, only “all type” problems. Fortunately, I can live with. ;-)

    Last precision : my computer has a 64 bits Intel Core 3 and 8 Gb RAM, tests made with VirtualBox machines.

    Note 1: I tried Gnome 3 on all sides, including 3.4. Even this one contains only 20% real enhancements and 80% regressions… I think we have to wait a Gnome-4 to have a real new product. Unless forks as Mate or Cinnamon take the place meanwhile.

    Note 2: The real name for Mate shoud be “Maté”. In french, “mate” means “dull”, “not shiny”. Not a namer for a success-story. ;-)

  381. sgr Says:

    That’s right MATE seems to be a way faster than Cinnamon in response.

    MINT+MATE for Presidents!

  382. huxtable Says:

    I’ve installed LM13 in VirtualBox, and have encountered some problems that LM12 did not have in VB.

    1. Random, but rare instances of the whole screen turning white, so I can’t see the mouse pointer. Therefore I can’t do anything, so have to shutdown or restart from a console(Ctrl+ Alt + F!). I seem to notice this happening when moving windows, resizing windows, or scrolling.

    2. VLC playback of video flickers, and is in black and white. Problem still exists after installing VLC again from Software Manager.

    3. Sometime borders and fonts in the taskbar become bright red. The font also becomes bold, which makes them difficult to read. Logging out and in again fixes the problem.

    4. There is no option to switch users. With LM12, I can lock the screen, then there is an option to switch users, as well as unlock the screen. With LM13, locking the screen only gives the option to unlock it.

    None of these problems exist with LM12 in Virtualbox, but exist with LM13 in the same version of VB.

    Loving LM13 so far!

  383. slant Says:

    It’s obvious there is a hunger for GNOME 2 that’s why MATE will become King of the game.

  384. huxtable Says:

    Oh, forgot to mention that I am using LM13 RC Cinnamon Edition, as well as LM12 Cinnamon.

  385. Bruce R Says:

    @BillyJim47 ref Comment No 258 – Thank You Very Much for your tip, which enabled me to find Panel, turn on ‘Panel edit mode’ which then revealed ‘Hot corner’ where I was able to make ‘Hot corner icon visible’ and thus gain access to Workspace switching and display, which is quite dramatic although not quite as useful as MATE’s Workspace Switcher, In My Opinion.

  386. Mrs/Mr. jo13 Says:

    this is what i want. i download the iso. wanna test it on my laptop! chears Clement :D

  387. slant Says:

    To MATE users:
    When starting an application like synaptic, you will notice that the user interface look worse and is not the same as the current GTK theme used by your system.
    You can fix it by running the following commands from the terminal:

    sudo ln -s ~/.fonts /root/.fonts
    sudo ln -s ~/.icons /root/.icons
    sudo ln -s ~/.themes /root/.themes

    These commands will make symbolic links pointing to your current theme, icon and font installed in your MATE DESKTOP.
    source: http://goo.gl/Gb136

  388. Albert Says:

    Someone seems to be seeding corrupted data. I got 60MB of corrupted data for the Mate 32-bit edition in Transmission, 40-50MB on the others.

  389. Robert E Kimes Says:

    Can’t get Zattoo to connect in Mate-Maya! This will be a dealbreaker for me. Hope I don’t have to run 9,10,11 until they break. Suspect flash incomatability. 32 bit version.

  390. leon10 Says:

    I have tried cinnamon and it works good,but i hope the mint team will add a KDE like effect in cinnamon settings so there is no need for me to install kde…

  391. eanfrid Says:

    Why was my previous minor bugs report removed after strangely being displayed as “awaiting to be moderated” ? There was nothing offending though… Did I miss something ? Do we have to be registered somewhere else before to be authorized to post here ?

    Edit by Clem: It must have been approved. Scroll down further, a lot of comments were approved today, so you’re seeing more of them than before and yours is probably appearing further than it was for you. Note: sorry about this and the delay, we can’t afford to have all comments approved by default, otherwise we wouldn’t be even able to read them… the amount of spam being filtered is completely mind-boggling.

  392. Eugen Says:

    To be honest i’m a fan of Gnome Shell, if Cinnamon could offer the over-view function and right workspace switcher it will be great.
    Those two extensions should be part of cinnamon and let the user choose if he wants to work in a traditional desktop or different.

    For me for example those two extensions are time very handy working with more windows and documents, it keeps things organized.

    Edit by Clem: Cinnamon features Scale, Expo and workspace switchers too. They’re not the same than in Shell. It’s subjective of course, but I personally find them to be much better. When designed, they got inspiration not only from Gnome Shell’s overview, but also from Compiz.

  393. MF Says:

    Testing LM13 64bit Cinnamon on live USB.

    Had few issues with the panel when trying to hide/deactivate bluetooth applet
    1 – icon can be hidden only temporarily. if logging out and in again (dark) icon reappears in system tray
    2 – if bluetooth set to off, clicking on the icon shows window which is inconsistent with theme and too small to be of any use
    3 – while playing with these settings, cinnamon crashed and only possibility was to log out with CTRL + ALT + DEL

    Last comment: LM 13 w/ cinnamon looks nice, but LM 10 (Julia) is still by far my favorite

  394. David M Addieville,IL Says:

    please bring back the (Open as admin ) for the folders other than that still running fine on laptop. My old computers 32 bit will not run but they will run the debian version with cinnamon installed the Nightlife-mint and it will not work on the debian version whats the diff turns menu all funky ?

  395. jajodo Says:

    @Ariya
    “Sure, but you just can’t upgrade from Mint 12 to 13, right? If you try, Ubuntu 12.04 with Unity would come up, right?”

    Ariya I do not pretend to speak for the team but after following for a number of years my interpretation is that Clem has always favored a fresh install as more reliable. On a tutorial on the Community Website explaining the “package upgrade” process (which is possible) you can find the following:

    Cons:

    Slow: APT will download the new version of all the packages installed on your system. Assuming you installed nothing at all, that’s about 3GB of data…. using a fresh upgrade you could have downloaded all that data by simply getting the 700MB ISO.
    Unreliable: Depending on your modifications, your sources, your added software and your configuration you could end up with a system that acts and feels really different than a brand new version of the newer Linux Mint release. You’re far from the beaten track and the added features might not work as well on your system as they were designed to.
    Risky: The temptation when you upgrade with APT is not to perform backups… since your partitions aren’t overwritten, nothing “forces” you to make backups… think about the risk though.
    Complicated: Packages conflict with each others, they can bring complex dependencies and put you in situations that are difficult to solve.

  396. Craig Says:

    @265. Orographic, That’s a nice, tidy setup. It’s inspired me to try something different, at least move the panel to the top. I’ve wondered sometimes why I’ve stuck with a bottom panel. With menus at the top, it just makes sense for the panel to be topside. I guess it’s just a remnant from using windows for so long.

  397. Brian36 Says:

    LM13 Cinnamon 32bit MaxData3000 Intel i5 Dual Core 3GB RAM 10GB HD
    This is my first positive experience of Cinnamon. Thanks Clem and the Team. The following are issues immediately apparent to me:
    Panel icons – like Firefox and Terminal don’t work. Neither does the added Workspace switcher.
    User Accounts – I can add a user but it remains disabled and I can’t add a password.

  398. Nicholas Bodley Says:

    Glory be! VERY nice going!

    What a difference a couple (=two) of days makes! I thought I’d started Firefox last night (maybe I didn’t, actually?), and didn’t see any mention of Maya RC. Maya, so soon, was a delightful surprise! As I understand things, LTS for me is /very/ welcome. I’m 76, and Maya LTS could outlast me!

    I’ll be seeding soon, with any luck; 25 Mb/s upload (not costly — FiOS) can help the community, for a change. Just noted @Albert’s message #268 about corrupted BitTorrent data; have often been somewhat concerned about that. I’ll download from an USA mirror and do an MD5 check on all four before seeding.

    If, indeed, torrents are propagating corrupt data, then anybody who downloads from a torrent really should do an MD5 check. Any decent MD5 checker is especially easy to use, it seems to me. Takes tens of seconds, but it’s really worth doing. (BTW, strictly speaking, an MD is a Message Digest, which is different from a checksum; it’s much more reliable than a checksum. Checksums were in use in 1960.)

    Will be really interesting to see how well Maya works on this obsolescent machine (Single-core Athlon, 2.2 GHz, ~890 MB RAM available, NVidia GeForce 6100 on mobo.) KDE seems utterly hopeless.

    Just read through all comments, and Cinnamon, I’m guessing, won’t run on my machine, although it exceeds all minimum requirements.

    I’ve been having nightmarish thrashing problems in Katya GNOME, especially with the Opera browser with even a few tabs open, but also Firefox. That 890 MB of RAM gets eaten up horribly easily. Have had too many lockups that I cure by holding down Alt and SysRq, then typing p.cogx
    (Dvorak); don’t do that, if you don’t know what happens when you do it!)

    Had one lockup that didn’t even respond to that. Have also had to pull the power cord, to do a hardware reset, too often. Usually GRUB fails to start; eternal blinking cursor on reboot. Have not asked for help, because I regard the present Katya installation as temporary.

    I am seriously skeptical that 512 MB will permit anything that requires significantly more RAM (say 128 MB) than a text editor to run acceptably; sorry.

    Personal life is becoming rather busy, but will try to test and report bugs.

    Best regards,
    [nb]

  399. 2Crazy2bTrue Says:

    This was a short Cinnamon adventure that ended directly after the initial menu with a message from my monitor:

    “Out of range signal”
    “Cannot display this video mode”

    I Have a 27inch HD DELL display that works fine on all versions of Mint 12 and windows.

    It will probably be the new video card that I bought 3 month earlier, an “Asus GT520 silent”, based on the NVIDIA GT520 chip.

    I hope this problem will be solved before the final release is lanced.

  400. 2Crazy2bTrue Says:

    I tried the 32 bit version.
    see above…

  401. msx Says:

    Any idea when final version will be released?
    My sister will be in Spain for the next three months and I would like to install she Maya in her notebook before she leaves :)

  402. dude Says:

    Are you sure this is a Release Candidate? For me, it works good enough to be a final release. I installed Linux Mint 13 MATE on 3 computers this weekend: a 32 bit laptop, a 64 bit laptop and a 64 bit desktop. All of them work great!

  403. Thorny Says:

    I have been running 32 bit Cinnamon version for two days and have encountered two lock ups, on both occasions Firefox was running and my keyboard & mouse became unresponsive only the way out was to power down on main PC switch.

    Other than this hitch I have not any other problems to report!

  404. jajodo Says:

    64 bit Cinnamon on Virtualbox looks quite nice.
    I normally use Shell but was playing with the hot corner settings on Cinnamon.

    The Workspace selection option works as expected.

    The Window selection option still selects Workspace. Appears visibly to be no different than the other option

  405. bobby Says:

    @Chris-255 and My reply to Chris 260 : I followed the Chris instructions at that time flash worked. But while playing flash games on net, Firefox hanged, and Google Chrome is not even playing youtube videos, so have to install back the default flash player. Now Firefox is working fine with flash. But Google chrome is not playing flash/ videos, it says to update flash player. Is there any other solution?

  406. bobby Says:

    @Chris-255 and My reply to Chris 260 : I followed the Chris instructions at that time flash worked. But while playing flash games on net, Firefox hanged, and Google Chrome is not even playing youtube videos, so have to install back the default flash player. Now Firefox is working fine with flash. But Google chrome is not playing flash/ videos, it says to update flash player. Is there any other solution

  407. Dorian Winters Says:

    Looking forward to the stable release.. I think a different desktop wallpaper should be used.. Each previous version distinguished itself and the brand by having different default desktop wallpapers.

    Great work LinuxMint Team..

  408. TerryK Says:

    Installed the MATE 64 bit edition on an older Pentium D machine with one gig of RAM.. So far, everything works.. MATE is a GREAT “save” after the gnome people pulled the rug out from under you (and us) Thanks Clem..

  409. Dean Says:

    Installed a fresh copy of cinnamon 64bit RC, every thing seams to running well, apart from a small problem, which hasn’t yet affected my use of mint

    Keep getting the following error message
    oneconf-service crashed with import error in get distro No module named Linux Mint.

  410. hamburn Says:

    ok, due to problems with sound (no sound at all) on both 64x Mayas I’m back to
    Lisa-x-64-Mate.
    Here the sound works, with some small problems, but it works.

    In my opinion the sound-architecture has changed. Is that right?
    Will that be the same in the final?

    Because then I have to look for an other distro before the support ends :-(

  411. bobby Says:

    @Clem : One suggestion. Every time when we read your replies to the users, while solving their problems and explaining many things, it feels so great. Now the problem. I saw your reply to my post at 167 today that is also by chance. Because when we read posts, we start reading from where we left. E.g. if there are 100 posts and I have read all of that, next time when I login to the forums, I will start reading from 100. If I don’nt recollect where I was, I may perhaps read some earlier post to 100 and when I recollect that uptill here I have already read, I won’nt read earlier comments, to some of which you might have replied later on. And since we like to read your replies, many a times it goes unnoticed. Because If I know your reply, I can frame my further reply to anyone accordingly. Last time also I did the same mistake. Hope I explained well?

    So a suggestion which is clicking right now, would be to post replies, like we are posting to each other. When I reply to any user by writing name and post no., my comments is added in the last. By this way, when someone start reading from where he left, it is sure, that he will be reading my reply to him. Any way just a suggestion, may be other users can suggest better options.

    Edit by Clem: I used to comment as well (and still do when replying to all), but in-line it allows others to see the info I add along with the question. I take your point on-board though, thanks.

  412. mikiaandy Says:

    Great news, TKS A LOT.
    For friends, customers and… install Mint Linux FREE. Number 1 distro, tks again

  413. David Parsons Says:

    I have had a look at both MATE and CINNAMON. Thet both look well constructed and promising but for myself I value the multiple worktops which are available on MATE and can be flicked between simply by a single mouse click. I also value being able to modify the taskbar and add task bars.

    It seems to me that it is very far sighted to produce the good old workhorse of MATE with a longer support period.

    I have just had a look at Zorin 6 RC and notice the task bar can be deleted easily at the moment which makes MATE a real winner.

  414. Pilopo Says:

    Tried to install mint 13 but it won’t work. I created a bootable USB with unetbootin, but it hangs on a black screen with flashing underscore and i have to hard reboot. The iso was checked and was fine.

    Tried with an Mint 12 iso, using the same program unetbootin, and it booted just fine.

  415. Roj Says:

    HUGE BUG with Mint 13 and the standard Gnome Zoom:

    If the zoom is turned on, right-click goes straight into the toilet bowl. I mean NOTHING to do with right-click displays, not properties, not cut and paste, nothing. I reported it earlier as happening with Firefox but it’s not limited to Firefox; it happens with Nautilus too as well as other functions. Un-zooming does not restore the right-click functionality. Only a reboot does.

    This is happening on three different test machines: the two I mentioned earlier (a Dell Optixplex 740 and a HP 8100 Elite) and I just tested it on my home box which is a Gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H with an AMD 965 Phenom II Quad Core, 8GB RAM and a Sapphire Radeon HD5670 / Xonar DX PCI-E and it STILL happens (the graphics card and Xonar appear to work just fine with the out-of-the-box drivers).

    This is BAD, folks – it makes the OS unusable for me and anyone else who is visually impaired. Help please?

    Edit by Clem: Thanks Roj, we’re on it. No promise on it getting fixed (we need to identify the cause), but we’ll do our best.

  416. Roj Says:

    Oops, forgot to add – the bug in in the Cinnamon Edition (hence the Gnome3 zoom).

  417. Luis Murilo Says:

    I tried to install linux mint 13 on my computer but it asks me to login, but I do not have the login and password, someone could help me?

  418. Evil-K Says:

    @Clem:
    RE: #156

    Thanks for the heads up. I’m looking forward to the stable release!

  419. msx Says:

    First bug found (clean install):

    A popup window shows up with the legend “Cannot access /mnt/tmpmount…” when installing Maya on real hardware – right after installer asks for time zone.

    HW Machine specs:
    Vendor & Model: MSI A6300
    CPU: AMD Athlon II Dual-Core P340
    RAM: DDR3 2GB
    Video: ATi Mobility Radeon HD4270
    Partitioning scheme:
    /dev/sda1 20gb ext4 root (primary partition)
    /dev/sda2 290gb ext4 home (also primary partition)
    /dev/sda3 4.5gb swap
    Internet connection type: wireless

  420. tdrass Says:

    installed mate and its working. update manager is moving at bits and not kbs. package manger can’t seem to find the repos.
    everything else seems to be ok. they are both kinda plain.
    i like my eye candy. sure compiz and cairo cam do those things but with a lot of added effort and is heavier than kde.
    i’ll wait for the kde version and see. hopefully it works well enough to stay away from windoze,
    but mint kde always works pretty damn good, fingers crossed.

  421. Pablo Says:

    People, for final 13 WHY not both mate and cinnamon in the same box like in LMDE?

    THAT WOULD BE A WINNER. You can set Mate as default for stable work and get to play around with Cinnamon…

    Please?

  422. Anonymous Says:

    Bug:
    1) It won’t let me update.
    2) OS won’t boot sometimes.

  423. jquintino Says:

    How to upgrade from 12 to 13 RC?
    yeee im a noob
    Thanks
    JQ

    Edit by Clem: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2

  424. jesse5567 Says:

    Just booted up MATE 64 and got a black screen. Didn’t know what was going on, so I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 and got tty1. So then Ctrl-Alt-F8 allowed me to log on as normal. Turned out I was on tty7–well, the blank screen of Ctrl-Alt-F7. (For a newbie, that would be limbo.) Actually
    ps -A | grep tty
    shows there is no tty7, only 1-6 and 8. I don’t think I hit any keys as it was booting (except Enter at grub). I certainly didn’t hit Ctrl-Alt-F7. Weird.

  425. Daniel Says:

    The power regression may have been patched but power consumption is still too much. I don’t like that… The rest is great.

  426. Bill Says:

    @ 372 tux-sven: Thank you, yes that cured the problem of CPU usage. Still at 10-12% but much better and doable. Emerald running fine now in LM 13 64 MATE.

  427. here Says:

    Bug: when mint 13rc reboots and you click on network trying to access some network resources/shares, often you cant… it can not mount network, if you wait 5-10 minutes and try again then you can browse shares on other Linux (min 11) and windows shares (W7), tested on VM and real install. I never have had this problem on my file server/desktop (Mint 11)

  428. The_Lord_Of_Knowledge Says:

    I CAN’T SEEM TO MAKE IT WORK UNDER VIRTUALBOX.
    ANYONE TRIED WITH SUCCESS? I RESERVED 128 MB FOR VIDEO, AND 670 FOR RAM.

  429. Aelfinn Says:

    Daniel (#425): “power consumption is still too much. I don’t like that…”

    Yep, that’s what I said in #258: power consumption of Cinnamon 64-bit seems to be about 25% worse than on Ubuntu 12.04. For me, that would be unacceptable.

  430. msx Says:

    @425. Daniel: thanks that to Ubuntu legacy.
    I’m running Arch x64 with Liquorix 3.3.6-1 with few patches including correct options for the kernel line in grub for my motherboard/cpu/video card AND the use of powertop2 and now I have more than 3hs and half battery life with an ice-cold machine while running KDE 4.8.3-1 (it’s a Pavilion dv7-4287cl, first gen i5) when with latest Ubuntu the notebook is uncomfortable hot and battery life is no longer 2:30hs-long providing I do not do heavy work with it.
    Using dwm instead KDE SC will give me easily other ~40′ while running Arch+Liquorix without X server -but eventually using one or two apps in DirectFB) + WICD for easy wireless connection I have almost 5hs of wireless freedom!

    Running LM13RC, so much so good.

  431. philip-iii Says:

    First of all, congrats on the good work! I’d like to raise a few points about upstream and compatibility.

    I have a bit of a question regarding upstream compatibility in Cinnamon. As it is based on gnome shell, I wonder how fast improvements in gnome shell propagate through cinnamon – e.g. I couldn’t find out on which version of gnome shell cinnamon 1.4 is based (presumably 3.4?). So that’s one thing.

    Another thing that makes me wonder is extension compatibility. Gnome shell has its extensions, and cinnamon has its own on the side (available through the website). However, as it stands one has to port extensions manually if they are not available for cinnamon already (and you have to agree that currently at least in terms of quantity gnome shell has the upper hand). I also find the way to install extensions via simple slide switch on the gnome shell extensions website very convenient (albeit potentially risky). I’d wish something similar for cinnamon, but more than that, I’d wish compatibility with the gnome shell extensions website – e.g. tricking it into thinking you are running gnome shell and then adapting the extensions as necessary while they are installed.

    It sure seems like quite a bit of work, but I view desktop environments as platforms, especially the new generation ones such as gnome shell and cinnamon, and as such they should provide the appropriate integration and transparency to enable easier extension development, porting, and installation.

    Downloading an extension, seeking out installation instructions, moving a bit here, and another over there, copying things about, compiling some others – it all shows you know what your are doing and all (or not), but this is all yesterdays news and is not exactly the point of moving forward, now is it?

  432. LinuxBaby Says:

    Update of post 367

    It appears that it had sorted itself out. In curiosity i try to boot up the same ISO i installed the whole system from, again today from the same USB-drive as last time. Now the internal hard drive is correctly reported as SDA and the USB-drive as SDB so as you said, it might had been my BIOS acting up on me while I installed days ago. Now everything is working as espected however i’d not tried to reinstall as I thing it is not necessary giving the situation where every drive is now detected as espected.

  433. Jamin Samuel Says:

    Please … Elementary Mint Icons

  434. Jamin Samuel Says:

    Include google chrome (no flash) ..

  435. Eric Says:

    Though not a bug, I still mention it. Black screen stays a bad idea. Something that moves shows that the stuff is running. On older hardware the black screen is visible long enough to doubt.

    The bug is that even when mint-logo is selected, no logo is shown. still black screen.

  436. Eric Says:

    @ The_Lord_Of_Knowledge
    No problem under vmware.

  437. ritterkeks Says:

    Tried it on a HP Mini Netbook, which has a broadcom 43xx wifi chipset.
    It booted up correctly from usb,
    but when I tried to install the proprietary driver in order to use wifi,
    jockey just threw a rather unhelpful error, suggesting to look into /var/jockey.log, which I did then.

    It tried to get the driver from the web, which of course cannot work without a connection to a network in the first place…
    Since web access today works in most homes through wifi, in this case even without any possibility to connect through LAN, this should be included with the image.
    (On Stock Precise installation with jockey did work without any internet connection)

  438. shinegami Says:

    Have been waiting for LM13 for a long time. Finally being able to test it. Am installing LM13 Cinnamon 64Bit to my desktop and Asus netbook. So far no problem exist.

    I’ve been using Window XP then stumbled upon Ubuntu. Then when it used Unity, I was disappointed with it and quickly find another version which then into LM11.

    Thanks for making me fell in love with Linux Mint.

  439. Fatah Mamand Says:

    I changed lots of Linux distributions in the last weed, they all have problem with Skype, the input voice does not work, but I tried the Linuxmint Maya 13, KDE 64bit, it works perfect, this is a good substitute for Ubuntu 12.04 for those who don’t like Unity, this distro is much faster! congratulations especially for the long term support.

  440. OS2User Says:

    @cra1g321 May 18th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Is this about the Flash-Plugin versions 11.1r1xx and 11.2r2xx?
    If so, for me the 11.2 versions don’t work for any US TV streams anymore from the likes of ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. The plugin loads but never starts displaying any of the inevitable initial ad spots before the actual TV show episode. With the 11.1. plugin, things work as expected, but of course, it now misses several important bug fixes, unfortunately.

    Clem, is this one of the regressions you meant?

  441. Fatah Mamand Says:

    Sorry I ment Linuxmint Maya 13, MATE 64bit!

  442. OS2User Says:

    @ #411 bobby May 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    I actually rather like Clem’s in-line responses to user comments, it keeps things together in the place they belong.

    It also find it easy enough to look for any of Clem’s responses by simply do a page search for “Edit by Clem” to quickly flip through his latest additions.

  443. Carolyn Says:

    Installed mate last night, I can’t seem to load my email accounts in thunderbird. Would that be a thunderbird issue or my settings?

  444. dan cardinale Says:

    Clem I am using the mint13 cinnamon edition and it is working perfectly on my Toshiba x205. no video problems connected to Internet perfectly first try. I am having some difficulty seeing some of my external drives. but that is the only issue I have been having. I cannot wait for mint 13 to be released as I am moving everything to 13!
    powerful work Clem and team

  445. dan cardinale Says:

    fyi I am also noticing no and I mean NO crashes with firefox!!

  446. Christian Says:

    Thank you for your answer, Clem and please excuse my impatience… I will not double (or triple)-post again ;)

    Is there any chance the MDM-Mint-theme will have a user list in final release? To me that would be a real improvement.

    Found another bug/inconsistency on my LM 13 Cinnamon 64bit installation running on my laptop:
    - When accessing the Energy/Power options, choosing one of the options for showing accu status in the menu bar does effect nothing.
    Maybe this is because the Cinnamon applet does not look for this settings, but this is inconsistent, because the applet points to this settings

  447. OS2User Says:

    @ #259 OS2User May 18th, 2012 at 2:44 am

    I forgot to mention, that I was using the 32bit Live-DVD of Cinnamon and that besides the missing window title bars, those windows also aren’t resizeable with the mouse. Their borders simply won’t respond to being grabbed.

    Trying a “cinnamon –replace” as mentioned in http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?p=169#comment-1578 results in: “Window manager error: Unable to open X display”

    Is this a known/common issue with Cinnamon and expected to be fixed soon?

    MATE 32bit Live-DVD:
    Clem, for the final release please enable again the ‘Touchpad’ Mouse Preferences “Enable mouse clicks with touchpad” as it used to be in the past and also activate “Disable touchpad while typing” as default settings.
    Both was already missing in LMDE 201204 as well.

  448. Craig Says:

    @421. Pablo, I actually had to think about that for a minute when I first read about it. It makes perfect sense, though. Cinnamon is Gnome based. MATE isn’t. With the MATE edition, you won’t have the majority of the Gnome stuff. Maybe somebody with a more technical tongue can explain it better.

    @428. The_Lord_Of_Knowledge, I’ve read the majority of comments. Myself and many others have successfully installed in Virtualbox. Though, I installed the MATE edition. Also, I gave a gig of ram, while only 22 megs for video.

  449. Neal Says:

    Hi Clem,

    We wanted to echo the pleas above that a Broadcom B43 driver be added to the distro before final release.

    The utility of the live CD as an emergency recovery CD will be greatly reduced without it for those of us who support older Dell notebooks (in addition to greatly complicating installations on those machines).

    Thanks to you and the team for all your great work.

    Edit by Clem: Hi. We’re aware of the problem. Although a change of kernel post-RC is completely out of the question, we updated the release notes with a workaround and a link to the bug report.

  450. Arron Says:

    When i go to install 64 bit mate version on a older compaq r4000 laptop, it asks for language, i select english, then it tells me im ok for space, internet connection, and plugged in. I hit ok, then it drops out to some system prompt text, but the mouse will still move around, and nothing more happens.

    Same results wit an older emachines e525 laptop.

    I re-downloaded image with same results.

  451. B Says:

    I’m glad to see the break away from Gnome. Gnome 3 in LM 12 drove me crazy and i had to install KDE.

  452. Loner Says:

    Cool :D

  453. Alwi Yusuf Says:

    Yes,sure I love Linux Mint…
    I used Mint 12 and very stable in my pc,others distro not support my machine Zotac. I’ll try this one…

  454. mint newbie Says:

    just curious, could the final version be out in maybe a couple months
    or could it be a fair bit longer?

    Edit by Clem: A couple of days.

  455. The_Lord_Of_Knowledge Says:

    On REHL 6.2 here.
    VirtualBox latest. No go with Linux Mint, but I’ll try on Windows.

    I think MATE is gaining some momentum, slowly… it is growing bigger & bigger. Perhaps if developers started MATE for GTK3.

    Edit by Clem: GTK3 is a terrible idea. One of the things I want in Cinnamon 1.5 is for cinnamon settings to migrate from GTK3 to GTK2. If you think of GTK3 as “libgnome-3.4″ you’ll understand what the problem is with it… it moves underneath your application, breaks it and changes its behaviour on your behalf and from a Linux app it transforms it more and more into a Gnome 3 app. Here’s a couple things that broke with GTK3.4… all gtk3 themes for all gtk3 apps and non-editable spinbuttons (the reason why people couldn’t change desktop effects and menu hover delay in Cinnamon Settings). Take it from a developer, a good API is like a good tool, it’s supposed to make your life easier. GTK3 is moving too much, arguably in the wrong direction (one which only integrates well with Shell), and in an unpredictable manner. It’s a liability for any Linux application which is supposed to work outside Gnome 3. Of course, from a technical point of view, it’s a nice piece of technology. Maybe once it’s stable and if it doesn’t completely break away from being compatible and integrable in other DEs, maybe once it’s abandoned and the devs work on GTK4.. maybe then we can start using it. I’m not being sarcastic here… I’d be worried for the future of any project using GTK3. Integration is key, regressions are a huge criteria of selection for us.

  456. Manuel Says:

    Gracias! Estoy ansioso por probarla. El trabajo es realmente bueno
    ! Cheers!

  457. Bamm Says:

    @bobby, the first thing I do when I open this blog is to hit Ctrl+F and type “Edit by Clem:” then I read all his new responses. After reading his responses, I go to the last user post I read last time and read all the posts from there.

  458. Bamm Says:

    @Pablo: “People, for final 13 WHY not both mate and cinnamon in the same box like in LMDE? THAT WOULD BE A WINNER. You can set Mate as default for stable work and get to play around with Cinnamon…”

    I don’t want that. I have decided on Mate, so why would I want all that Gnome3 stuff that comes with Cinnamon?

    In fact, LMDE is so messy. It’s great for testing and playing around, but I just want to get things done.

    I am happy to have a Maya-Cinnamon LiveDVD anytime I want to play with Cinnamon, but I don’t want it to mess with my system.

  459. Bamm Says:

    @Pablo, I forgot to add, all you need to do is sudo apt-get install cinnamon and you’ll have your wish.

  460. DeMus Says:

    People who have read my previous messages about Gnome 3 know I simply hate it. Mint continues to use it, making it “attractive” by using either Mate or Cinnamon.
    I have used Gnome 2 for over 3 years with a lot of fun. But these days are over. So I skipped to KDE which I have been using for about a year now. It looks stunning. The plasma desktop is amazing, especially with using some effects, gadgets and themes.
    I have now installed Mint 13 (not afraid to use this number) in both Mate and Cinnamon version in virtual machines. I am amazed about the look I get: it is pre Windows 3.1. It’s so stiff, so old fashion. I can’t imagine I have used this for all these years.
    The reason I installed Mint 13 is that I am facing some network problems in the KDE versions (Kubuntu 12.04 as well as in Mint12 KDE), problems I never had when I was using the Gnome versions. I don’t want to go back to Gnome right now, just see if my network works like it should.
    I must say, starting and stopping the OS is very fast, also while using it is a delight, but then so is Kubuntu 12.04 which I use now.
    I don’t see so much differences with older versions, but that could be just me. Yes, Mate and Cinnamon have grown, but these are still the static Gnome interfaces I used to use, till I moved over to KDE.
    Ideal for me would be a KDE version without the network problems. That would make things perfect.
    Mint 13 works good, works pleasant if you don’t have too high standards regarding the interface. Congratulations Clem and of course the whole team. What is nice is that the LTS version is maintained for 5 years, something we do have to thank Ubuntu for. In these 5 years we will have a lot of updates so it will look like a rolling release, this time based on Ubuntu and not directly on Debian.

  461. bobby Says:

    @Bamm : Ok, I think I have to change my habit, although finding “edit by clem” will search from the start, and many of clem post you will be reading again.

  462. Ricardo Says:

    I had the problem of “Signal out of range”, at the start of the computer, with Ubuntu 12.04, and LinuxMint 13.

    The problem (and the possible solution) is shown here:

    http://www.ubuntizando.com/2012/05/18/resolver-signal-out-of-range-al-inicio-de-ubuntu/

    As I could not install the new version of Ubuntu 12.04 or LinuxMint 13, I decided to try LMDE, which is what I am using now, and does not have this problem.

    I use an old monitor Samsung Syncmaster 551v, and my graphic system is nvideia GeForce 6100 gpu and nvidia nForce 430MCP, incorpored in a Asus M2M-MX SE plus motherboard.

  463. Bamm Says:

    @bobby, yes that’s the downside. Sometimes I just click in the middle so finding Clem’s responses do not start from the beginning. I like his way of replying, cause I can easily see the problem he is trying to solve. His responses to others often help me too.

  464. Bamm Says:

    @DeMus: “People who have read my previous messages about Gnome 3 know I simply hate it. Mint continues to use it, making it “attractive” by using either Mate or Cinnamon.”

    That is true, but only for Cinnamon. Mate is not based on Gnome3; it is based on Gnome2.

  465. Orographic Says:

    Is it possible to stay with Mint 13RC (Mate) when the final release comes out? Its running great for me, no probs at all.

    Edit by Clem: Yes, you can simply accept level 1 and 2 updates as they come along in the update manager.

  466. OS2User Says:

    @ #446 bobby, May 20th, 2012 at 1:54 am
    Then simply do a Shift+F3, that will then start the search at the other end, going towards the top.

  467. BugsBunny85 Says:

    bonjour
    j’ai eu un bug à l’installation de LM13 Mate
    voir le lien joint sur mint.fr
    http://www.linuxmint-fr.org/forum/cinnamon/95682-linux-mint-13.html#96104

  468. miez Says:

    Fantastic! Gonna test this soon. Can’t wait for the final edition:-D

  469. spoovy Says:

    Tested on my Sandy Bridge T420 Thinkpad. Power use is _literally_ half of that used by last years’ major distro releases (which drove me back to Windows), and on a par with the Lenovo-tweaked Windows 7 SP1!!

    My first taste of cinnamon, and I love it – seems to take the best of both old and new desktop paradigms. Occasional freezes are a problem though – hopefully these are confined to the live session.

    Overall I’m mightily impressed. Looks like Mint might lure me back from Windows (again – first time was with Mint 7!). Well done everyone involved. :)

  470. Albert Says:

    Clem, people with some Broadcom wifi cards currently cannot boot a Mint 13 or Ubuntu 12.04 live disc at all. The fix will likely come in the 3.2.0-25 kernel. Please update the kernel between RC and final, so that the final has a kernel which can boot as well on people with Broadcom wifi.
    Launchpad #950295

    Edit by Clem: Hi Albert, we won’t change the kernel post-RC. The Release notes were updated with info on this issue and a workaround which lets you boot, install and fix the problem.

  471. Herisson Says:

    To #433 for Broadcom 4312 : I faced on a Dell 1731 a problem with the Wifi. I didn’t see all the networks (WPA AES NOK but WEP were visible) and I solved the problem by applying http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=890911 (#30). It’s in french by the idea is to use b43 and remove bcmwl drivers.
    Otherwise, Mint 13 Mate installed on 2 PC and one on a old D530 HP desktop where it’s faster than Xubuntu 12.04 !
    Thanks to the team

  472. Brian jeffries Says:

    Can’t a UK mirror be provided?

  473. Sean Says:

    Dear Mint Folks,
    Thank you for this distro. I have used Mint for a couple of years now and like it better than the rest. It took some time to get used to the Gnome 3 shell, and now Cinnamon, but after a day or two of working with it, I have really grown to like it. I like the changes in the login manager and the fact that I can insert my own login sound with ease.

  474. jonc Says:

    I’ve tried both Cinnamon and Mate versions of 13RC. They’re both very well done and, at least visually, quite similar.

    Does Mate plan to migrate to GTK3? Forking the Gnome 2 look and feel is all well and good, but relying on GTK2 while everyone else is on GTK3 seems a recipe for not being able to use contemporary code. I’m hesitant to use Mate for fear of locking myself into GTK2 programs.

    Edit by Clem: Nobody but Gnome, Gdebi, Transmission relies on GTK3… almost every application relies on GTK2. Check your dependencies, try to remove GTK2 and GTK3 from your system and compare the losses. It’s not convenient for a Linux application to rely on an API which changes and introduces regressions with every new version of Gnome, which adapts the behaviour of your applications to integrate better with Gnome Shell at the risk of not integrating at all with other DEs and which is very poorly documented. If you think it’s beneficial for MATE to use GTK3, please come up with valid arguments, I can think of tens of reasons why they shouldn’t use it.

  475. NoFingers Says:

    Thank you very much Clem for this new release. I had the same problem with the Broadcom 4312 wifi (Dell Latitude D830) as in the LMDE version (it has been reported before). It doesn’t work out of the box but you can fix it easily. Besides that, it works very nice but I will stick with the LMDE+MATE version and I will recommend LM13+MATE for less experienced users. Although they’re not that much different.

    I use xcompmgr instead compiz. It needs a lot of less resources and I’ve noticed that it works better along MATE than Compiz.

    I do believe LMDE+MATE should be the linuxmint future.

    Keep on the good job.

  476. Joe Says:

    Mint Cinnamon 32bit have some problems.
    It is unresponsive at some times, best thing to do is to reset PC.
    Some times panel and all windows disappear but occasionally they come back.
    Also when you click on Mint Menu system freeze for a second.
    CPU usage is at all times above 30% on all cores (1,6Ghz x2) And the most active process is chinamon 20-80%.
    Also I fund out there are some zeitgeist packages which have in description “Zeitgeist is a service which logs the user’s activities and events (files opened, websites visited, conversations held with other people, etc.)” So I unistall all this packages. Then I fund out that Nautilus file manage don’t work so I installed PCManFM file manage which works fine.
    Also there are some ubuntu cloud packages I want to unistall them – don’t like cloud stuff.
    Flash videos are working very slow in Full-screen (1920×1080). I have hardware acceleration enabled in flash and firefox.

    I have SDD 64GB hard drive, 4Gb of ram, ATI HD 6310 500Mhz X 80 cores graphic card, but slow dual core CPU 1,6Ghz so if you can suggest some speed improvements I will be grateful.

    (p.s Why 64bit version of MINT have some buggy GRUB-efi-partition-boot-loader – or something like that. Because MINT 32bit works fine without that. You can make onl one partition on whole hard drive and system works fine but 64bit version needs some 100mb boot partition …)

  477. Mintkatze Says:

    hi people,

    this is me again and I also figured out a severe bug in the installer (Torrent-iso amd64), saying this:

    Bug: unable to handle Kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000000000001f0
    IP[]ext4_evict_inode+0×36/0×490
    PGD 42d45067 PUD 42d34067 PMD 0
    Oops: 0000[#] SMP
    CPU 0

    Any hint?? Did anybody experience the same thing??

    Hardware: Notebook
    Producer: MSI
    Graphicscard: Nvidia Geforce 8200M G

    What I also discovered is, that the other isos freeze up on live-desktop, what makes me unable to open menues or even connect to the Internet. The desktop is frozen right after boot!! Also mouse does not move then.

    So I would like the developers to update the installer and prevent these crashes

    Greetings
    Mintkatze

  478. Mintkatze Says:

    Output:

    Bug: unable to handle Kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000000000001f0
    IP: []ext4_evict_inode+0×36/0×490
    PGD 42d45067 PUD 42d34067 PMD 0
    Oops: 0000 [#] SMP
    CPU 0

  479. MirroStade Says:

    First off thanx a lot for Mint 13, it looks like it is going to be great. I am only using Cinnamon, for which the two comments below relate.

    HOWEVER my only complaint is that when I tried to find my wireless, there was no scroll down option in the menu bar. Since I (like a lot of Europeans) live in a high rise EVERYONE has wi-fi and there are 1000 connections. I had to go into network settings and set it up. It would be nice to be able to scroll down.

    Also, and this is a minor complaint but GET WOBBLY WINDOWS WORKING. I understand Compiz is not compatible with Cinnamon (which sucks btw) but there should be at least some customization available for this. It isn’t a deal breaker, but it is a heart breaker!

  480. bobby Says:

    @OS2User : I like this solution. Thanks for the tip.

  481. Myrmidon Says:

    Same as 109, compiz –replace makes window titlebar and borders disappear. Tried changing from marco to compiz in mateconf-editor but no joy.

    Any fix for this?

  482. Christian Says:

    LM 13 Cinnamon 64bit

    Cinnamon bug, which I have also in LM 12:
    - When starting MintUpdate, it asks for password. During this procedure the menubar dissapears completely. It returns, when password is confirmed and MintUpdate loads package information.

    Edit by Clem: Thanks, I noticed it as well and thought it would be better if it remained visible. I’m not sure whether this will change in Cinnamon 1.4 or 1.5, but we’ll change it eventually.

  483. john1981 Says:

    Looks good, but Cinnamon themes don’t switch. Also, I can’t right click the menu to edit it to add newly installed applications.

  484. john1981 Says:

    To clarify my above comment, I’ve installed the Mint 13 Cinnamon version in virtualbox, no acceleration. However, that shouldn’t prevent panel editing or autohide, and I’d think that themes would work too.

    Edit by Clem: Oh no, that’s not Cinnamon then.. that’s Gnome Classic. It’s only a Fallback mode, so you don’t end up with a black screen when Cinnamon fails to load. Enable the 3D acceleration in Virtualbox to be able to use Cinnamon. Alternatively, if you like the layout of the Fallback mode, switch to the MATE edition, which provides the same layout with a complete desktop.

  485. tux-sven Says:

    @ Myrmidon

    I have window decorations on my installation. But I had some problems in the beginning…

    You have installed Compiz Configuration Manager? If not you must do so.
    Under heading “Effects” you must enable “Window Boarders”

    I don’t have English on my computer but I hope the names are correct.

    I think this was the way how I managed it…

  486. Vas Says:

    It is taking long time to download software from Software Manager in this MATE of cinnamon versions. It is good in LMDE latest version which i am using currently.

  487. Meloman Says:

    Do Zeitgeist have to be included in Mint 13?
    Am going to delete it right after Mint 13 installation.
    Will that have impact on stability and usability of the system?

  488. hamburn Says:

    ok, at last I got the sound working. Had to tinker with alsamixer.

    So, now I love Maya-Mate. Looks like Gnome2, behaves like Gnome2, I have my old desktop back with all the little applets in the bar.

    Thank you Clem and team for this very nice piece of software.

    Edit by Clem: Thank you, we’re delighted to bring Gnome 2 back. Credits to the MATE project for the fantastic work they’ve achieved. There’s still a few things missing, but they’ve done an outstanding job on this desktop.

  489. Myrmidon Says:

    @ tux-sven

    Ah that’s fixed it, thanks. New problem however, I can’t seem to drag windows around by clicking the titlebar and dragging.

    :/

  490. dan Says:

    anyone see the imagewriter freeze up? I am trying to make a live boot usb for an older 64 bit desktop on a 32 bit one, but it fails repeatedly to see the usb stick. have reformatted the stupid stick about a bazillion times to no avail even went to formatting it in ext3
    instead of fat32. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

  491. Jostein Says:

    @Pilopo (post #414): I think we’re having the same problem as was reported in this forum thread:

    http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=102463&p=581830

    The boot stops at a grey screen. The forum thread describes a solution for getting the live CD to boot and install Mint, but now I’m unable to boot my newly installed Mint; it only shows a black screen with some glitchy lines across the screen.

  492. dan cardinale Says:

    anyone else have probl;ems with imagewriter?? or is it a bug in maya where it fails to see a usb stick??

  493. Myrmidon Says:

    Forget I spoke haha, forgot to check ‘move window’ in compiz settings. :P

    All working great now! Actually first time I have seen compiz work in virtualbox. :)

    I can see me leaning towards MATE for my useage.

  494. tux-sven Says:

    @ Myrmidon

    The thing is that NOTHING is pre-selected.

    You have to look under the heading “Window management”
    Try “Moving Windows” and some other things may be preferable too.

    You have to do some testing on your own. :)

    Edit by Clem: Compiz should work but we didn’t want to be too ambitious and we left it out of the scope for Maya, so we could focus on MATE and Cinnamon themselves. If you manage to tune Compiz and get it working perfectly, please don’t hesitate to export your compiz settings and share them in the community.

  495. Roj Says:

    @462:tux_sven

    You Rock! I was trying desperately to figure that out!

  496. hektopascal Says:

    LM 13 Cinnamon 64bit

    During installation (actually from the beginning) error messages occured that you was able to ignore, but installation failed in the end.
    Seems that almost all routines didnt have enough space on the “disk” to run properly, even the first one that determines all preinstalled OS’s on my HD failed.
    A solution was:
    After deleting for example the .firefox and chromium directory in /home/mint/. with only about 10mb everything went fine.

    It was really frustrating to determine the problem. Anyone with the same problem?

    but all in all: nice work! glad to have an alternative to unity and gnome3!

    PS: I think not a real LM13 issue, but why arent you able to add a second wired connection with different configuration without starting ‘nm-connection-editor’ from terminal?! i could only add vpn connections.

  497. Myrmidon Says:

    @ tux-sven

    Yeah I noticed nothing was checked. Oh well, it’s all working great now. Next test is emerald. :)

  498. Daniel Says:

    I want to run this on my Rasberry Pi that is arriving next week!

  499. Dominick Says:

    Ok, not sure as to why this is happening but i can’t even download libgnome-keyring-dev its like it no longer exists. Also AdobeAIR which is needed for some of my things is no longer in repositories. Aircrack-ng is gone from repositories, and zenity theme is messed up and causes faults with GTK games like Dofus. Not sure what else I can say to help besides that.

  500. tux-sven Says:

    Fun to be able to help someone. :)

    Personally I should like to see a pre-configured CCM-file. Not any extreme things but Window Boarders, Magnifying, Moving Windows and such things.

    In Mint 10 there’s something called Simple Compiz Configuration Manager. That’s a very nice piece of software. Unfortunately not available any longer. :D

  501. Mantas Says:

    Can we expect Skype-Cinnamon fix as soon as possible? It is really annoying. At least, you could change line in /usr/share/cinnamon/js/ui/windowAttentionHandler.js
    Before:
    if (!window || window.has_focus() || window.is_skip_taskbar())
    After:
    if (!window || window.has_focus() || window.is_skip_taskbar() || window.is_skype_window())

    Probably it is an easiest way to fix it.

    I am using LM13Cinnamon for a few days. And I want to say: it is stable and good-looking. Thank you Clem, another perfect version of LM.

    Edit by Clem: There’s a pull request on Cinnamon to make this configurable already, but we’re hoping to make Cinnamon detect cases like these automatically and adapt itself to these kinds of windows. Either way, whether we get it fixed or make it configurable, it will happen in Cinnamon 1.5.

  502. David Brown Says:

    Options in “Preferred Applications” are greyed out. I cannot change the command to load browser and mail reader (Firefox and Thinderbird located in /usr/local).

  503. Myrmidon Says:

    Where is emerald these days? It’s not in repos and I can’t find any way of installing it. I read something about it being no longer supported but that was in ubuntu 10.10, I have it in Mint 10.

    Any ideas?

  504. Rüssel Says:

    Thank you for this very good Linux Mint 13 RC release, Clem. I really appreciate what you achieved.

    Regarding MDM, it’s good to have MDM as a login manager, but there is one serious problem with it. We have several user accounts on one box, all of them are password protected. Now, if two different users login, and one of them logs out, then the second user account is automatically activated without asking for the password.
    Normally you would expect to return to MDM, but that is not the case. Is this a bug that will be fixed, or will MDM stay like this?

    Edit by Clem: We should get this fixed. Can you submit an issue at https://github.com/linuxmint/mdm/issues?

  505. tux-sven Says:

    @ Myrmidon

    I don’t know how to activate Emerald. But i saw “426 Bill” had Emerald running on his MATE 64-bit installation in a post above.

    We can try to ask him. :)

  506. Myrmidon Says:

    @ tux-sven

    Good idea! :D I’ve had a look around, found a ppa but it doesn’t work anymore.

    @ Bill

    Where did you get Emerald?

  507. Paul Vandenberg Says:

    For those wondering about the Nautilus cursor being busy for 20 seconds or so when launching, I think it stopped doing that for me when I installed LightDM and used that instead of MDM. I wasn’t able to change the background from the basic Ubuntu purple however. I changed LightDM to use the LightDM GTK greeter instead of the Unity greeter for this reason.

    Edit by Clem: We fixed it here in the ISOs, you can simply change the startupNotify to false in /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop :)

  508. bobby Says:

    @David Parsons : After reading your comment, I also just had a look of zorin rc in my VB. I have to say that I am impressed.

  509. tux-sven Says:

    @ Myrmidon:

    I got an answer from our friendly Bill:

    32-bit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/emerald/libemeraldengine0_0.7.2-0ubuntu6.1_i386.deb

    64-bit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/emerald/libemeraldengine0_0.7.2-0ubuntu6.1_amd64.deb

    Edit by Clem: Sven, I’m counting on you, after all this research for the perfect Compiz setup, to write a brilliant tutorial on the community website. Can I? :)

  510. Clem Says:

    509 comments, a lot of feedback.. I didn’t count the number of bugs, there weren’t too many this time, about 40 or so. We’re down to 4 bugs left and they’re easy to fix :)

    Thanks everyone for your feedback and helping out with this RC ;)

  511. tux-sven Says:

    @ Myrmidon:

    Oh, sorry, I also got this from Bill:

    http://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/ubuntu-11-04-fix-enable-emerald-themes-for-compiz-fusion-window-borders-title-bars/

  512. Dale F Says:

    @472 —
    There are plenty of choices of servers to download this distro, does it really matter whether one is in the UK? You can also download via P2P (with the torrent).

  513. cwwgateway Says:

    Clem, if you’re going to write a tutorial about compiz/emerald for MATE, it might be a good idea to include it in the user guide (which I’m hoping you’re going to update for Mint 13).

  514. jesse5567 Says:

    Mint Maya MATE 64

    Well, Clem, here’s another bug. When I click-open Mint’s menu and type “als”, interaction with the system is frozen. Except I can go to a tty, login and see via top that mintmenu is taking 99-100% CPU. I kill mintmenu’s PID, go back to the GUI, and get a dialog saying:

    Error
    “mintMenu” has quit unexpectedly
    If you reload a panel object, it will
    automatically be added back to the panel.

    It has “Don’t Reload” and “Reload” buttons. Clicking Reload resets the menu back to normal.

    I seem to recall from a while ago (last year?) of a similar problem with the menu. (BTW the GUI is now on tty9. I hope it doesn’t go beyond tty12; I have only 12 functions keys. :) )

    Edit by Clem: I think the latest update of mintmenu fixes that.

  515. Nicholas Bodley Says:

    @ Dan (490):

    My machine won’t boot from a USB stick, either. BIOS date is 2006, iirc. Basically, it’s a single-core Athlon with 1 GB of shared RAM; was built as an XP Media Center Edition. Haven’t been ambitious enough to see whether there’s a BIOS update. Mobo. is MSI, something like K8GN2, but that last might be wrong in detail.

    Seems to me that ability to boot from an USB stick is relatively recent.

    Good luck!

    [nb]

  516. cwwgateway Says:

    @jesse5567
    I have the same problem, and I also have a problem with typing “compi” (and I also remember this from a review of Mint 12). And thanks for saying the GUI is on tty9 – I though there was something wrong with my install because I couldn’t find the GUI.

    Edit by Clem: fixed in mintmenu.

  517. jesse5567 Says:

    Oops. Looks like the latest updates solved the mintmenu issue. My update manager shield had a check mark in it, or else I would have updated before posting…

    Edit by Clem: ah… here you go :)

  518. Nicholas Bodley Says:

    @tux-sven (485)

    “I don’t have English on my computer but I hope the names are correct.”

    You meant “Window Borders”, most likely. Your spelling is very reasonable, though.

    Best regards,
    [nb]

  519. jesse5567 Says:

    @cwwgateway,
    The GUI was on tty8 for the last few days, then booted to a black screen twice where I had to Ctrl-Alt-F8 to get to the DM, now it’s on tty9. It’s not that this is any big deal, not at all. It’s just a little inconsistent and a bit disconcerting.

    OTOH, on system start-up, maybe there is a GUItty=tty[rand(1,12)] command. :) …keeps us guessing.

  520. Chasboz Says:

    On a Toshiba 2712 A105 laptop Mint 13 causes the system to constantly give of a prolonged beep tone that can not be controlled by the volume control. The event starts from the login screen lightdm being presented to the user.

  521. Jordan S Says:

    Mint 13 RC (Cinnamon or Mate) with proprietary Nvidia driver boots into MDM (1.0.3) for 3 seconds and then the screen goes black – have to hit CTRL-ALT-DEL to bring GRUB back up. This issue happens 90 % of the time so I mostly can’t get into Mint 13 RC.

    Tried booting Ubuntu 12.04 with proprietary Nvidia driver (same version as above) and it boots fine using the default LightDM login manager. I enter my password and go right into Ubuntu.

    Tried booting LMDE 1204 with proprietary Nvidia driver (same version as above) and it boots into MDM (1.0.0). I enter my name and password and all is fine.

    I installed LightDM in Mint 13 RC and made it my default login manager. I booted into LightDM, entered my password and was up and running in Mint 13 RC. No issues at all.

    I don’t believe any of this happens using the Nouveau driver but I do think there’s an issue with MDM 1.0.3 when using the Nvidia driver.

  522. Bjorn M Jensen Says:

    Hello, and thanks for great Cinnamon x64 Linux Mint…
    But I have one problem (or two). My sound settings, change every time I restart. Just at login the sound is there and cuts it halfway through.
    When I look at settings again, it has changed back to HDMI, and that does not work on my speakers.
    I then reset settings, and same thing when I log in again. (every time). Is there somthing I am missing here?

    2. Is there a way to get chrome to move titlebar buttons to the left?

    Thanks again, looking forward to installing this on 4 pcs, as soon as it out of RC.

  523. Stuart Says:

    Wow, thanks everyone. This works a treat. No problems on my little machine. Using 64bit cinnamon, looks brilliant and lightening fast :)

  524. electric Says:

    I downloaded the Cinnamon 64 bit iso and tested it live off DVD. I really like the menu bar on the bottom. This is the best thing you could have done since version 12. I don’t like top menu bars and hate the wasted screen space of two panels (top and bottom). The new dark menu is beautiful. Overall really nice release … EXCEPT NO SOUND (see below).

    3 Cons:

    1. Mint’s green based theme colors are fine, but with one tweak it would be more useful for visually challenged. Please make the default status bars dark charcoal color, not light green, such as Firefox download window bars that show status of each file downloaded. These bars should be a darker charcoal color in the status bar so can be seen further from a distance. Currently must walk up close to computer to see status bars because they are light green. The light green status bars have always irked me about Mint.

    2. The sound doesn’t work on my new Gibabyte Z77X-UD5H motherboard. It has built in Realtek ALC898 Codec, which is the one coming out on all the new MB’s. Please fix prior to the release. Thanks.

    3. On the same 64 bit computer Mint 13 RC is slower than my 2002 laptop running Mint Debian Cinnamon 32 bit. Why can’t 64 bit Linux be faster than 32 bit? I just don’t get it. The further we advance, the slower computers seem to get.

  525. sandmannc40 (Carl) Says:

    I use Mint on two computers one desktop and one laptop, I have to use Fedora on the other laptop because Mint will not read the wifi. It’s what I call a software wifi switch. My other laptop is what I call a hardware wifi, it works because I am not relaying on the software to activate my wifi, just flip the switch on or off. If you could get mint to read and work the software wifi I would switch in a heartbeat. I don’t like Fedora. I like Debian, Ubuntu and Mint. The lack of wifi working is the only thing keeping me from using Mint on my other laptop. (I should say my Wife’s laptop, she finally got fed up with Microsoft Windows)

  526. Casey Says:

    Just installed Linux Mint 13 RC on a dual boot system along with Windows XP. One issue that I noticed was that during the install process, the option to install Linux alongside Windows XP does not label the partitions. If you move the slider bar one way or the other, you don’t know which partition is which. I was assuming the you would have the partitions match up with the names in the Title Bar message, but it ended up being the opposite, so my partition sizes are opposite from what I wanted. Other than that, no other issues so far.

    Thanks for all of the hard work.

  527. Kristian Says:

    Thanks for bringing the MATE desktop to Mint.I like Cinnamon too,but i go with MATE because i changed my mind and now consider it to be the best DE of them all.A few things are missing though:There is no obvious way to format a USB-stick,that needs to work by right clicking the icon.Same goes for “open as administrator”,i have to go to “Computer” or “Homefolder” and rightclick the icons there to get that option visible,icons on the desktop dont bring up that option.Would it also be possible to get that simple Compiz setup tool back which was present in Julia beside the Theme,Background and Font by rightclicking the desktop and choosing “Change background”,that was an easy way to manage Compiz basic functions!!.Thank you for your hard work to keep us all happy and satisfied,you and your team do indeed deliver quality releases!.

  528. David Winter Says:

    Installation crashed.
    I run Mint 12 and tried Maya after burning the ISO on DVD and booting it.
    I got the cut-down interface as with Mint 12 and started the installation program.
    After switching to French language, installation crashed and generated a black screen with many text details mentioning a bug, something with the Kernel and a NULL pointer (exception I presume). I couldn’t read anything more as the screen switched back to graphic mode but became completely scrambled. I could only reset the machine.

    If there’s any log or crash report I can submit, please tell me how to retrieve it under Mint 12.

    David.

  529. David Winter Says:

    Forgot to mention that I wanted to install Cinnamon.
    I didn’t try with Mate.

  530. paul Says:

    Clem@510
    Do your bug fixes include sound issues (such as my previous post-231) or will we have to wait for this to be fixed with a kernel update?
    I think this is the last issue that can release me from Julia’s seductive grip!
    Maya 64 Mate is looking like a great release so far.
    Will try Cinnamon this week.
    Looking forward to testing KDE 13.

    Edit by Clem: No, sorry Paul, nothing new about the sound issue.

  531. cwwgateway Says:

    The panel disappearing when you’re entering your password for the update manager also happens in gnome shell.

    Also, @jesse5567, I’m installing that update now, so hopefully it fixes it.

  532. dave g Says:

    Another one for the good guys.
    Well Done Clem

  533. varonbondumb Says:

    On installation, it gave an error of “unable to load [or mount? I forgot, sorry] [long string of letters and numbers].” It popped up the error, and then very quickly went away on its own, popped up again, went away again, about 5 or so times. All of this was within a 10-15 second time frame. I did nothing but try to click ‘OK’, and the problem was resolved. I went on to install like normal with no problems or issues.

    I’ve been running it for 2 days straight, using it casually. No errors, problems, anything.

    The DVD was burned from the torrent and burned at the slowest possible speed.

    Thanks Clem and Mint Team for another awesome product.

    Edit by Clem: Yes, that’s mentioned in the release notes. It’s a cosmetic issue, not a real problem. Basically the installer mounts partitions to do what it needs to do, and the Caja file browser is trying to help a little too much by opening a window when that happens (it’s configured to open a window when you plug something in… but here it overdoes it a little.. it’s probably down to configuration, we’ll get this right in future releases).

  534. José Luis Says:

    hola..genial Mint 13. Pregunto a quien sepa como ingresar a MDM y las diversas opciones que se ven en la pantalla de http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_maya_whatsnew.php

  535. MOGH Says:

    @Clem

    Great job on both versions, I like where LM is going with these, and hope that both versions will be offered, both as stable releases that will be available later this month. If not, can I vote that Mate be the default with the option at install time to choose Cinnamon ?

    What you’ve done with Cinnamon is great, like the look and feel of it, with the only thing I would like to see change, is Cinnamon have the flex of Mate in as far as setting up a custom desktop, as for example, the panel, seems can’t size it and icons of apps seem to fall into a group unable to set independent placement on the panel, other then that, don’t touch a thing !

    Mate has all the feel of the GNOME 2, but far better, like the looks and feel of it better the GNOME, much cleaner with all the flex to have a cool custom desktop.

  536. Pavlo Says:

    Thanks for your work on Gnome Fallback, it’s looking amazing now. The only bug I have seen is that time doesn’t change to 24 hours format. Using Mint 13 Cinnamon 64-bit.

  537. Orographic Says:

    I agree with post 488, Mint Mate is a delight to use. Ubuntu 12.04 (Unity) is stable on this same machine but I can’t even add a shutdown button in Unity anymore, that is almost symbolic of how Unity is lacking in customising options.

    Mate is fluid and fast and very stable for me.

    Thanks Clem re the option to stick with RC and just look for updates to come through instead of updating to Mint 13 final. I will clonezilla this setup as its working great for me. I want to use this computer for another two years if possible and then retire it as a backup (its a two year old Core i3 desktop, first generation) and Mint Mate 13 makes that very possible.

  538. Dave W Says:

    I installed Mint 13 Cinnamon 64 on an Intel Ivy Bridge (i5-3550) based computer with 16GB RAM, a SATA-3 hard drive, and an HDMI monitor with built-in speakers. The sound didn’t work right out-of-the-box, but I finally found the right sound setting. Not counting the time it takes to type the userid and password, boot time is about 32 seconds. My old computer requires almost 20 seconds to recover from hibernate. I think I’m going to like this.

  539. salam Says:

    Suggestions for mintmenu – when something is being searched in the menu, make the application selection buttons inactive so they don’t activate by accident as you move the mouse to click on a search result. Also, when you search something, the topmost result should be highlighted so that you can just hit enter and run it without having to click it.

    For the software manager, I noticed that if you install something, it still appears as uninstalled until the manager is refreshed.

  540. icedtea Says:

    I can’t use grub 2 to boot Maya iso file on my internal hdd. I used the same setting as Lisa

  541. mintexponent Says:

    Thanks Clem and the Mint team for your great effort. I’m testing the Cinnamon edition from a USB stick and found some minor issues so far:

    - While disconnected from Internet, the calendar panel shows date and hour correctly without a region and city selected in Cinnamon settings; after connected to Internet the date and hour are adjusted according to UTC but still without region and city selected, and they’re changed to the next day; when I set my corresponding region and city then date and hour are correctly reajusted in the minimized panel, buy when I restore it the incorrect date is highlighted yet.

    - Settings for privacy options refer to Ubuntu & Canonical in the Diagnostics tab.

    - Only as a question, is Spanish-Castilian language the only one supported in language settings available to install. I’m from Caribbean and would like to see others alternatives (this explains “not so good” English).

    I also suggest to paginate the comments herein (in all the site), so you can read them and leave a reply with less scroll :)

    Mint is exciting.

  542. Brent Says:

    @Luis Murilo (416):

    I had a similar issue. This web page helped me solve it:

    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/reset-your-ubuntu-password-easily-from-the-live-cd/

  543. Alexandre Says:

    hello, i’ve installed rc13/mate x64 in a compaq cq40: wireless and bluetooth are not working. already tried to install proprietary broadcom sta driver with the additional driver utility but nothing happened…
    another thing: i have just two options of themes to choose. is that normal? i would like to have clearlooks, but its not there…

    thank you.

  544. Flyingdreamz Says:

    I can finally upgrade from 11, my HP ZD7249cl did not support Gnome 3.

  545. Todd Davis Says:

    Fan-bloody-tastic!Great O.S.! Am currently using LM13-Mate on a leveno R-61 Thinkpad that includes an intel centrino duo core T7300 @2Ghz,4 Gb of ram.I have noticed that the cpu runs about 2-4% with about 12.5% use of RAM.Everything works just as I want it to,right out of the box!!
    I am running Ubuntu 10.04 lts and love it,but want more current drivers,a more current kernel–Linux Mint is the ticket for me.I get to use ubuntu 12.04 more refined and without Unity!This is a great desktop!!!!!Thank You for all your hard work!

  546. Bruce R Says:

    For the Cinnamon version things are already getting better via Updates, as installed on a USBkey, so I must see how a MATE version on another USBkey is getting on, once some AcidRip coding is complete on another virtual desktop (all whilst Exaile Music Player operates from a third virtual desktop). Sound-Juicer still fails to Extract and there’s no Compiz Wall but things are definitely improving !

  547. Robby Says:

    OK, three days into Mint 13 and I am loving most of it. Mate 1.2 is much better than the Gnome2 interface. My Mint 11 distro is feeling
    lonely.

    Just one thing really bugs me, and it’s not really a big problem, but it is irritating. I can’t seem to get rid of the TEXT under ICONS..

    I have tried almost every thing that I can think of, but nothing I can find show a means of changing it. I think that after 27 years of working on desktop computers, I can tell the difference between Icons without having it spelled out for me.

    Another small irritation is having to input my user-id, which on all the other systems I have run, if I was the single operator on the system, all I had to do was enter my password.

    Other than these two small rants, Mint 13 Mate Amd-64 runs very well.
    Robby

  548. Brad Says:

    Been testing the RC over the weekend and found one small bug. When loading Banshee, the volume always defaults to mute and doesn’t remember what setting it was at previously. When I move the slider up to my preferred volume the sound works fine, but it doesn’t maintain my volume setting when I close Banshee and reopen it.

    Overall it’s a very solid release and I’m happy with it so far!

  549. mohaned Says:

    It’s really grate i like it especially the modern desktop Cinnamon

  550. Trung Says:

    Thank Mint Team.

    Linux mint 11 is my favorite for years, i’m so hurry for waiting Linux mint 13. Unfortunately, I got problem when using LibreOffice on Cinnamon 1.4 that system freezes away after 5 minutes opening documents like odt, docs, xlsx (have to hard reboot, or Ctrl + Alt + F1), I also try on Ubuntu Unity 12.04, Libreoffice worked well so far but Libreoffice freezes away on Ubuntu and Cinnamon 1.4.

    I’m waiting for fixed update on this case.

  551. Pilopo Says:

    Still can’t install Mint 13 32bits Cinnamon RC.

    I created a bootable USB with unetbootin, but it hangs on a black screen with flashing underscore and i have to hard reboot. The iso was checked and was fine.

    Tried with an Mint 12 iso, using the same program unetbootin, and it booted just fine.

  552. Thiery Louison Says:

    Will LVM be supported in the installer

  553. Lee Hachadoorian Says:

    Running Mint 13 Cinnamon 64 in VirtualBox, but it doesn’t actually look like Cinnamon. The Main Menu looks like the LiveDVD menu rather than the screenshots of the Cinnamon menu. The panel is light instead of dark. In Cinnamon Settings, changing Desktop Layout to Flipped or Classic doesn’t actually change anything (even after multiple reboots). Anything I’m doing wrong?

    Also, enabled Panel edit mode, but how do I edit the panel? In Ubuntu I’m used to right-clicking to get the Add to Panel menu. I don’t know if that’s supposed to work in Cinnamon. I *can* drag a launcher from the menu to the panel, and can then reposition the launcher flush left or flush right.

    Note I did test MATE, and that seems to be working fine, but from screenshots of Cinnamon, I think that’s the one I want.

    Edit by Clem: That’s Gnome Fallback. Try to enable the 3D acceleration in Virtualbox (in your VM options) and give it as much GPU memory as possible.

  554. Roj Says:

    @Clem510

    Hi Clem,

    Does that mean that the “right-click not working when zoom is enabled” issue with Cinnamon is fixed?

    Edit by Clem: Yes, to a certain extent… you can see the context menu while in zoom now, but the mouse cursor appears behind it. It’s usable but still not perfect from a cosmetic point of view.

  555. Rohit Says:

    Tried out both Cinnamon and MATE on live-USB. MATE feels faster on my 3 year old laptop with on-board Intel graphics and 4 GB RAM. Cinnamon has certain issues like missing icons in settings windows.

    I could not locate Compiz settings in either MATE or Cinnamon.

  556. Imhoteps Says:

    Tried both Mate and Cinn. Both were kinda slowish on my Atom`s netbook with 1Gb RAM. Meanwhile Cinn took less memory then Mate – about 175-180 Mbs. Both Maya versions are nice for sure for desktop use, but not for low-end netbooks.

    Decision is done here – me`s waiting for Peppermint Three. Untill then I`m gonna play with Xubuntu 12.04 + Xfce 4.10 on top. I bet it will run smooth.

  557. Marty Says:

    I’ve been a mint user since version 7. I tried every version since (Ubuntu and Debian based), and i settled with version 9 LTS. Mint 12 was a nightmare thanks to gnome shell arrival (not ranting gnome shell, it is just too young). Mint 13 is ok but something is missing but i couldn’t say what.

    Gnome 2 (and so Mate) are nice but are getting old. After all debates about gnome shell and usability, i’m ready and open to try another look and feel…

    I like cinnamon but seems really not “finished” and feel inconsistent : lagging, a bit buggy, too many dark themes, applets are growing but some are buggy and/or not reliable.

    Concerning themes, gnome shell could be nice with a good theming (see list of distros below) but good themes are hard to find (well hard to find one for my use !)

    I think gnome shell can be a good DE so i will try it, but i think it should be used with a nice menu applet/extension (not the mint one which i don’t like) or a dock. I’m pretty new with docks but i think i will try…

    Anyway i love mint and i will keep having an eye on its evolution, but right now i think i am going to find another solution : i think i will go for a last ubuntu based distro (12.04) as it is an LTS.

    So here are my choices :

    - PinguyOS 12.04 based upon gnome shell (well there are really really too many apps installed by default with this one but it is a good distro !)

    - Comice OS 5 (now in version 4 but soon available with 12.04 LTS as core). Seems nice and a shell a bit modified, enough for improving everyday use in my opinion.

    - Live Voyager 12.04 – based on XFCE. I think THIS is THE XFCE based distro. Really nice and light enough for my old laptop !

  558. Rami Seppälä Says:

    Thanks for the new version. This is great and I really like MATE desktop. I installed 64bit MATE and it works like a charm. My computer hardware is not the newest possible because I use mini laptop but anyway I am satisfied and after trying many distros in past two or three years I think linuxmint is the best one for me. I am going to use final version when it’s being released. Great job!

    And this is surprisingly stable release already. I have found only one minor bug in 64bit MATE system:
    - my display goes off to power saving mode no matter if I use settings to disable that in control center. So for example watching youtube I have to use my mouse to get my display on when it goes off.

    ps. One more question, maybe stupid one.. Can I safely disable “policykit authentication agent” in startup application list? Which applications are safe to uncheck in that startup program list?

  559. Bamm Says:

    @Marty, since you liked old versions of Mint and they served your purpose, then just use Mate to get a continuation of that experience until you find something more modern that fits you.

  560. Serg Says:

    Will MATE edition support live update GUI MATE (now is 1.2, next 1.3…1.4)?

  561. Marty Says:

    @Bamm, yeah i tried Mate but again, i don’t find it as polished as mint 10 was (some inconsistency in theme) and some bugs…

    well i must admit i also like distro hoping sometimes (once every 2 or 3 years !) to take some fresh air and see what’s new :)

    I think i will give Voyager 12.04 a try as it could even become a good alternative.

  562. Marty Says:

    A question i already mentioned but for which i don’t remember i had an answer : why there is so much modifications/forks of gnome shell and none for unity ?

    maybe i am wrong but Unity has a panel, applets, works with compiz etc… it doesn’t seems so far away from good old gnome 2. I think (but i am not a dev) that it would be “simple” to remove Unity launcher, add applets and a nice menu and… here we have a nice desktop !

    Anyway, it seems it is not more difficult than forking/modifying gnome shell…

    any answer ?

  563. perkins Says:

    tried various mirrors , torrent…black screen of death after logo loads…

  564. Mintkatze Says:

    hi people,

    I tried again installing LinuxMint on my Notebook, but: again Installation crashed, as soon as I change the language to German. Then the system freezes up and nothing continues.

    Another time on a second try, the Installation stopped at about 75% during the process of ciopying files…, the system hung up and no installation again.

    And this issues with this NULL pointer seems stipp not to be fixed. @ Clem: is this a point, which can be fixed?? I don’t know, how difficult it is, to fix this for you and the developers. If you need more information, then please let me know. I want to try everything to help. The WLAN-card is Ralink RT 3090.

    And what I also discovered is, that sometimes I also cannot connect to the Internet after booting, because as soon, as I click on the network-manager Icon in the panel, then system also freezes and I cannot enter a WLAN-key into the prompt.

    Can anybody confirm this too???

    Thanks for any help,
    Mintkatze

  565. PB Says:

    Marty@547

    This is purely a guess on my part–not to be taken as educated by any means. But I think you would agree that it is POSSIBLE for LMDE to be the Main Edition one day–I repeat POSSIBLE. If Clem were to take on Unity, that would be just one more tie for him to have to break with Ubuntu in the interest of stabilizing the Debian based distro, LMDE. That being said, why would he develop a tie to Ubuntu, such as Unity, just to have to break it later on down the line? That COULD be a very small part of it.

    As far as FORKING Unity–from a technical standpoint, your guess is as good as mine–I don’t have very a very technical understanding of why Clem chose to fork Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 other than the more obvious reasons. I know I don’t care for Unity overall, but there are some things that I liked about it–just not enough to embrace it. In theory, the Gnome 2.x fork known as MATE seems to make the most sense out of all of them to me personally–this in view of what the Mint user base, and many other Gnome fans sorely missed when the Gnome 3 bomb dropped.

    From a limited viewpoint like mine, it’s almost as if Clem could have been blindfolded, and just picked something to fork. Instead, he picked two, and is doing a remarkable job on both.

  566. PB Says:

    @Marty,

    I forgot to mention this, but I am in a similar boat as you. I am still on Mint 9 as I have stated a sickening amount of times. It is running flawlessly. But I have to say that–based on just the comments made here about Maya–I am far more hopeful that Clem has really got some traction on this one. I am awaiting the final release, and will give it a spin. It stinks that you are obviously having some issues, but just remember, nothing is perfect–not even the alternatives to Linux. But since we have our choices, who wants to be enslaved to a perpetual flow of expensive licensing fees when it still breaks on a regular basis? Not me. At the same time, I completely understand that things need to work, and when push comes to shove, sometimes we have to make gutt wrenching decisions. I don’t think anyone in their right mind could possibly fault someone else in that position.

    Anyway, don’t give up, things will fall into place.

  567. VikingTowel Says:

    I must say that I do like MATE! It feels like GNOME 2 used it so well done to Clem and the team. There are four things I’ve noticed which could do with fixing up however…

    * mate-terminal – when using a transparent background, the background is of the actual desktop wallpaper, and not of the whatever happens to actually be behind the terminal window, such as, another window.

    * The calculator shortcut key on my keyboard tries to launch gcalctool instead of mate-calc

    * Ctrl-Alt-T isn’t configured by default to open a terminal

    * When configuring a port number of a mailbox to monitor in mail-notification, instead of an icon down-arrow to decrease the value of the port the mail box is accessible at, it appears as a red cross. Clicking on it does the expected action – it decreased the numerical value. The icon used for increasing the port number is a + sign. This may occur on other software too that uses up and down icons as well.

  568. bananaman Says:

    Everyone, have a look here for a comparison of CPU usage of Mint 13 RC for Mate vs Cinnamon in VirtualBox. CPU usage in Cinnamon is significantly more.

    http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1031356&page=2

  569. John Webster Says:

    I have done clean installs (formatted “/” and “/home” partitions) of Cinnamon 64 and MATE 32 on my bog standard Lenovo m57E. Both worked perfectly from the point of installation (known issues aside). However, since updating them at the weekend, Thunderbird has begun to crash regularly to the point of being unusable. It appears to be the same version that runs just fine on Ubuntu 12.04 and LMDE.

    Anyone else had this problem?

  570. Marty Says:

    @PB

    Concerning Unity, i wasn’t talking only about mint but for any distro or dev that complain over Gnome Shell.

    Sure, Unity is far from being usable (far from the way I feel comfortable tu use a computer) but it seems polished, featurefull etc… in other words : a good base to build a custom DE on.

    When it comes to Gnome Shell we have some forks or customs : Comice Shell, Pantheon, Cinnamon etc…

    I am surprised not to see any Unity fork/modifications. So i wondered why : technical pb ? easier to custom Gnome Shell ? no interests in doing that ?

  571. Alexandre Says:

    rectifying my last comment:
    -wireless is now working fine (kind miraculously)!
    -installed mate-themes and chosen traditional: perfect!
    -bluetooth is still annoying… :-/

    thank you very much! long live mate!! :-)

  572. Myrmidon Says:

    @ tux-sven

    Thanks for that again sven, I’ll try that emerald fix sometime later and report back.

    :)

  573. Caesar Says:

    Cinnamon works in Virtualbox in this version.Here is a tutorial on how to enable it http://thelinuxvideo.com/?p=266

    Good luck everyone.Thanks Linux Mint Team for this great OS.

  574. Ray Ward Says:

    Mint 13 install.
    Sony vpcl14s1e all in one PC. No sound. Intel corporation 82801JI hardware. I posted under the hardware section the device is seen but no sound. The hardware works under Mint 12 perfectly. I see a few others with the same issues.

  575. gui Says:

    you should also make lmde in two flavours, i mean, one iso for each DE, it’s terrible to have something you’re not using installed in your computer… or maybe the option to choose wich DE install

  576. PB Says:

    @Marty,

    like i said before, it was merely a guess as to why MINT hasn’t pursued a different course involving Unity. as for other developers, perhaps Unity departs a little too much from a technical aspect. on the surface, it’s easy for us to draw conclusions on what we think should be easy based on current projects. but underneath, i am going to have to assume that it is simply not that easy. i have to defer to Clem, and other developers to make the best choices for their vision, and that of their particular user base. further, if they are making a mistake in judgment, i will also have to assume that it will become evident to them, and they can address that accordingly, or live and learn, and proceed down the current path. i apply this to any developer, not just the Mint team.

    btw, your question is perfectly valid in my mind. i’ve observed the same thing, i just haven’t given it much thought. maybe Clem would offer his input on it.

  577. Bruno Dantas (aka bdantas) Says:

    I installed the 64-bit MATE edition. It was by FAR the most pleasant and smooth experience I ever had installing a linux distro. I think I will make this my main distro instead of LMDE or Solus given how reliably everything worked right out of the box. I just noticed 3 small issues:

    1-The autologin did not work consistently at first for some reason, but now it is working fine. I’m not sure what fixed it.

    2-The pretty Linux Mint login chime does not work after autologin. I had to add this to my Startup Applications: aplay /usr/share/sounds/linuxmint-login.wav

    3-Handbrake is not in the repository! I was surprised given how popular this application is. I couldn’t install it from the Ubuntu PPA, either. Would you guys kindly package this for LM13 or provide instructions on how to install it?

    Strong work, guys. It will be a pleasure to use this for 5 years, and I will not hesitate to recommend it to friends.

  578. Bruno Dantas (aka bdantas) Says:

    Oh, and one other very small issue:

    4-The ibus icon on system tray looks the same whether ibus is on or off. The previous behavior where there was one icon for on and a different one for off is preferable.

  579. gee7 Says:

    Re: Edit by Clem Post 145: “We use the Ubuntu Ubiquity installer, and indeed, it lets you choose where to put grub2 but doesn’t let you choose Lilo or no bootloader at all. Grub2 itself is pinned in Mint and doesn’t show any Ubuntu branding, I’m curious about this… please give us more info if possible so we can troubleshoot this and get it fixed.”

    I deleted the Grub2 install that came with Maya RC within an hour of installing, Clem, so I can’t give you more information than what is given. It definitely had the Ubuntu branding at the top. I then re-installed Grub2 from Linux Mint Debian. The Ubuntu Installer is not a courteous Installer if it doesn’t give the option to install Grub or not, and is not up to Mint standards, je pense.

    What worries me a little about Maya RC is the fact that I have to keep open Port 53 in order to get internet access. That is most unusual and I have never seen that in any distro before. I guess I should really do a full new installation and get back to you on this (Just got it nicely set up too, 13′s a charmer) …

  580. Marty Says:

    @PB

    yes that was just a thought, i’m a bit curious ;)

    Anyway, the more time passes the more i see nice things done upon Gnome Shell. I think Gnome Shell is litterally… a raw shell : all its power is a matter of “carving” the shell. With a nice an polish theme and a good set of functions/tools (extensions or anything else) this DE could be great.

    …well there are still some aberrations to wipe out ;)

  581. gee7 Says:

    Guido Post 34: Mint 13 doesn’t play avi files online

    Hi Guido

    I just opened Midori browser and watched a couple of example avi files from:

    http://www.english.ptv.de/software/transportation-planning-traffic-engineering/software-system-solutions/vissim/example-of-use/

    I’m using Maya + Mate, by the way.

    And thanks Clem, for having Midori browser in the default install, Midori is a great little browser that is a forerunner in supporting HTML5, meaning “Goodbye to proprietary Adobe Flash, Hello to HTML5 youtube videos. Cheers all round. Have just installed Midori in Linux Mint Debian too” :-)

  582. gee7 Says:

    Typo: that’s Guido post 374.

  583. Chandrasekhar HM Says:

    Dear Clem,

    I migrated to Linux with Mint Gloria. tried Mint Maya (Cinnamon edition). I boots fast, has lot of themes and cinnamon is improving a lot.

    I rely totally on GUI tools. Mint Gloria was the best so far me. They made my migration to Linux easy. Now I find that the most useful GUI tools are missing one by one, making Mint less user friendly.

    First it was, tool for joining a network domain, then tool for manipulating user accounts and user privileges, then it was “group by function” option in Synaptic. Now I find that the “Open as Administrator” in Nautilus context menu.

    Please put back these items in the final release as it would make Mint more user friendly.

  584. Amiga Bob Says:

    I love Mint! Thank you for all the wonderful versions…I cannot wait for the LXDE version of Maya. It has been an excellent addition to the the desktop variations for “Mintifying” my laptop!

  585. Brian36 Says:

    Re my last Brian36 #397 LM13 Cinnamon
    Panel Icons and User Passwords:
    For a panel icon to be active, ‘panel edit mode’ needs to be switched off.
    Also, to enter a user password you need to click on the user’s password box in ‘user accounts’.

  586. gee7 Says:

    Just a design idea, Clem.

    I think it was Bamm in a post this week (Salamat, Bamm po) who said that Maya is a little bird of the Philippines that is often found in rice fields. There are two birds commonly called Maya, one a sparrow (like Piaf, a little bird with a big heart) and the other more striking one that was officially the emblem of the Philippines before the monkey-eating eagle took that role.

    It would be good to have a picture of the Maya bird in its natural habitat as a background image to Maya 13. Spread the word in the Philippines about Mint Maya and try to be the biggest Linux force there too :-)

  587. David Winter Says:

    I managed to take a picture of the crash screen while trying to install Maya Cinnamon from DVD.
    It’s available on the LM forum:
    http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=102605

    Hope this helps,

    David

  588. bobby Says:

    @Gee7 : Perhaps this is what you are talking about :
    http://www.philippinebird.com/

  589. Bruno Dantas (aka bdantas) Says:

    Another issue that I found: I can’t get remote desktop to work on the 64-bit MATE (i.e., can’t connect TO my LM13 installation). vino-preferences is properly setup (both as normal user and sudo) and the vino client is in the list of Startup Applications, but still no luck.

  590. BK Singh Says:

    New LMDE Mate & Cinnamon released in April 2012 is great which offers one to Login in either Mate or Cinnamon. I’m an LMDE amd64 fan and would stick to it.

  591. Bamm Says:

    @Marty: “i don’t find it as polished as mint 10 was (some inconsistency in theme)”

    The inconsistency in the theme, as Clem pointed out, was that the theme defined specific attributes for nautilus, but nautilus has been renamed to caja. What is needed is for the theme to define those same attributes for caja.

    Clem said the fix is on the way, and will be in the final release.

  592. Bamm Says:

    @gee7 and @bobby, I didn’t know there were two mayas. But I agree, it would be good to have a wallpaper with a picture of the maya bird. But someone would have to contribute the picture, fast. The final release will be out if a few days.

  593. Bryan Lee Says:

    @Clem

    I read a few negative comments about MDM but I have to say Clem I love it and I hope the LM team decides to keep it in the final release because it’s so much more configurable which made the older GDM more favorable than GDM2 which wasn’t as nice I have taken some of my older GDM themes and modified them to work with MDM so I will be uploading them to mint-look.org very soon which I’m sure most will agree it is worth keeping.

  594. bobby Says:

    @Bamm : Somebody from the Philippine has to do it. We can take from the google images, but perhaps there could be some legal issue. Or from someone who might be having Maya pics clicked in his camera.

  595. ying Says:

    I installed the cinnamon edition, and installed cario-dock today, but the bottom bar of the desktop is always covering part of the dock and I can’t see the penguin of the dock.
    It’s a little bug but I believe we all want a perfect Maya.
    By the way, I really think Maya is very very pretty and wonderful.Mint will be my first choice.

  596. ying Says:

    Another problem is that the function of printing screen seems don’t work, when I use mint 12 and hit the Prtsc, system will remind me to save the picture

  597. Mintkatze Says:

    hi people.

    I tried again to install LinuxMint 13 Cinnamon amd64. But again: failure. This time at the step, where you select your password for your system. I started to type it in but after the second digit, everything froze up without a visible error-message.

    I have to add, that I selected German as system-language for installation.

    Now my question: is it impossible to select another language than English for installation?? Can this be the cause of the freeze-up?? I don’t know it, so I would be happy about some information.

    Greetings
    Mintkatze

  598. Mintkatze Says:

    I wanted to add some more Information about my Hardware:

    Notebook: CR 500-series
    Vendor: MSI
    Graphiccard: Nvidia Geforce 8200M G
    WLAN: RT3090 network-controller

    As I said above: I am stuck at the step, where you select your password in Installation. I had selected German as language for installation. And as soon as I try to type in the password, everything freezes up and installation is impossible. Also no visible error-message is displayed, so that I cannot say, what is running wrong.

    What can I do to get installation complete?? How can I find out, what is running wrong?

    Greetings
    Mintkatze

  599. Marty Says:

    @Bamm.564 :

    Yes i know that but the inconsistency is not only in Caja but a bit everywhere ! one button here, one color there, it also depends on wich software i use. Inconsistency is also in Synaptic which looks like old gnome 2 from the nineties ! :)

    thanks anyway

  600. helder Says:

    o linux mint por vezes congela ao abrir o libre office por exemplo.
    O Ubuntu 12.04 é mais rapido a arrancar do que o mint 13

  601. Mike Freeman Says:

    First off, thank you, Clem for all the hard work you and your team have put into Mint. Despite the difficulties the Gnome people have thrown at you, things are pulling together nicely! I wish you guys the best as we move toward the future! Now, that said…

    I’ve gone ahead and installed Mint 13, and am having some problems.

    1. While I absolutely love the look and design of Cinnamon, it still has trouble with my laptop’s ATI graphics card even at the newest proprietary driver version. Cinnamon crashes occasionally (although not as much as before), runs pretty slow, makes the programs running run slow also, makes the screen in some graphic-heavy programs (especially games) flicker wildly, and heats up my laptop much more than I’m comfortable with, even just sitting at the desktop running nothing else. I think my computer just doesn’t get along well with Mutter/Muffin. I find it odd that just sitting on the desktop would heat up my computer that much. Is there anything I can check? Any settings that can be tweaked?

    2. MATE runs cooler and more stable, but still is a bit slower than Mint 10. Is there maybe something installed from Ubuntu that’s impacting the system efficiency?

    3. Oddly enough, Unity (which I’m not too fond of, but tried anyway) runs the smoothest and coolest of the three. It’s almost as fast as Gnome 2 on Mint 10.

    4. I cannot get to the Gnome-classic/fallback session. When I try to login with that selected, it gives me an Xsession error and dumps me into Cinnamon. Is there something I need to install or a setting I need to tweak to get it running? I want to test out all of the major desktop options to see what works best for my workflow.

    5. This is just a personal taste thing, but I’m not too fond of MDM so far. I’m sure themes would help. I’ll try that. But it looks very much like the old GDM 1, which was nice at the time, but looks a little dated now. I can install LightDM and use it instead (which I really thought looked very impressive in Mint 12), but I can’t find any themes for it other than the stock Ubuntu one (not too fond of the purple/orange theme, and the “Ubuntu 12.04 LTS” label sitting on my Mint login screen). Any chance of re-releasing the Mint LightDM theme for those of us who want to use it instead? Or should we just load up the Lisa repos and take it from there?

    6. Is there anyone working on a MATE- or Cinnamon-like fork of the Gnome-fallback mode (with compatible versions of all the applets and Compiz compatibility)? I know, we probably don’t need yet another desktop. But, I would love to have something just like MATE or Cinnamon, except based on Gnome 3 (NOT Gnome Shell) so it can be less resource-hungry and limited, yet make use of the existing Gnome 3 tools instead of duplicating the same tools again in Gnome 2 form. For example, when I have both Cinnamon and MATE installed on the same system, I have two System Monitor tools. Both are seemingly identical except for their GTK theme. It might also provide a better way forward, so that as Gnome 3 advances, we’ll have a Gnome 2-like system that advances with it, but doesn’t rely on this Mutter/Muffin mess. Or, if Cinnamon could just get away from Mutter/Muffin so it could run on a wider variety of hardware, and we could use Compiz and Indicator applets like Gnome-fallback can, I would be in Linux heaven!

  602. Mike Freeman Says:

    @Mintkatze,

    Could you try installing it with English selected, and change the language after it’s installed?

  603. salam Says:

    When I right click on some applets (like the date/time applet), the menu that pops up doesn’t look right. The border lines that are in between some of the menu entries are not positioned quite right (between “Help” and “About”, for example).

  604. helder Says:

    mint 13 is slower them ubuntu 12.04, and sometimes brakes openning libre office

  605. Jordan S Says:

    @ Mike Freeman,

    Regarding the LightDM login manager, I have it installed, at least temporarily, on my Mint 13 RC. By default, the “theme” is whatever your desktop background happens to be which is fine with me, though that pesky Ubuntu 12.04 LTS logo remains on the lower left. I’ll look into how to change the logo if my reinstall of Mint 13 doesn’t fix the MDM issue I currently have (# 521). It would be nice if we could apply the Mint LightDM theme though.

  606. Noctem Says:

    Really liking the use of MDM. I very much missed having a customizable GDM.

    * Any plans to base Caja off of Nautilus-Elementary instead? It comes with more features than the old Nautilus itself did.
    * Any plans to get indicator-applet working again with MATE?
    * Is the goal to get MATE to some level of compatibility comparable to Mint 11?

  607. Joel Says:

    Sweet, thanks for this!
    The only problem I have encountered so far is with the brightness control. My screen doesn’t go as dark as it should. When I use the brightness slider it only works in the top 70 %, changing between three different brightness levels, but when I drag it under 70 %, the brightness just stays the same as at 70 %.

    I have an Nvidea GeForce 460M and I get the same results with both of the proprietary drivers available (without them, I can’t change the brightness at all).

    If this could be fixed it would be awesome and it takes me one step further towards moving back to Linux Mint after having some previous compatibility issues that drove me to explore Win 7 for a year =)

  608. Eduardo Says:

    Hi, thanks and congrats to all Mint Team.

    Please, don’t forget Gnome 3…
    Cinammon it’s excellent option but for Me Gnome was a great change… give it a try.

    Running together since Linux Mint 8…

  609. Kristian Says:

    @clem
    Hi,im running Mint 13 Mate 64-bit and had a problem getting Totem to play certain videofiles which it has played without problems before “MPEG-4-video (video/mp4)”.So i tried to change VLC-player to my default player since it plays everything you can throw at it,however the setting just wont “bite” it says VLC is my default player but it always opens totem still(which btw also is a great player).Also no easy way to format an USB-stick by rightclicking its icon.Hope this will be fixed in stable release.

  610. PB Says:

    Just installed, and updated LM13RC MATE on work PC. ATI driver installation with Jockey has completely failed. I’ve read several things lately about proprietary driver installation becoming a growing problem, and I have had my fair share, of both ATI and Nvidia issues. If drivers ever appear to be installed, I’ve had problems with Compiz taking all the resources. Some of the more common explanations tie it back to Kernel problems. Can anyone confirm this completely?

    I personally hate the fact that I can’t seem to get away from the idea that 3D drivers need to work, and that there needs to be a resolution. Unfortunately, I love the effects that rely on 3D acceleration.

    I hate to say it, but I am running into the same issues that were had in LM12. I just don’t get the feeling that things have improved by leaps and bounds. Obviously, many of you have, and that’s great. But, I’m still in a Mint 9 rut, if you want to call it that.

  611. Russ Says:

    Nech uz je vonku 13tka cela a nie len RC lebo po testoch zistujem ze sa mi oplatilo cakat. Moje stastne cislo 13 nesklamalo. BTW Doteraz pouzivam 9 Isadoru. A moj dtum narodenia 13.9.19.. zvlastne ako to funguje. Dakujem MINTaci.

  612. hamburn Says:

    @Mintkatze,

    could you try to connect your laptop with a cable instead of wifi to your router?

    It sounds to me as if you got the problems, when the computer is downloading the the language data.
    Hört sich für mich an, als kämen Deine Probleme, wenn Mint die Sprachdateien runterladen und installieren will.

  613. hamburn Says:

    only for the installation.

  614. Sunshine1970 Says:

    Downloaded LM 13 with Mate yesterday and tried it out on my aging computers. I. Love. It. It’s quicker than Xubuntu which was on my old laptop (Thinkpad R40) works well on my Dell Dimenson(s) 4600 & 8200. I’m so glad Mate is around. Keep up the awesome work

  615. Pavlo Says:

    @Mike Freeman

    >6. Is there anyone working on a MATE- or Cinnamon-like fork of the Gnome-fallback mode (with compatible versions of all the applets and Compiz compatibility)?

    Gnome Fallback is (and always was) exactly the thing you describe. Now with cool Mint theme it looks even better than Cinnamon. And it have used a bit less RAM, when I tested both.

  616. Paul Says:

    Clem, Re. sound issue @ 530,
    Downgraded kernel to 2.6.38 this evening and my usb mic. is working “out of the box” again, so this is obviously not a LM issue.
    LINUS-FINGER-BOTTOM… make up a sentence. ;)

  617. sprintcowboy Says:

    Running Cinnamint 64bit on HDD.
    Cinnamon has certainly come a long way in a short time.
    Its nice that cinnamon and mate or on separate isos.
    The list of programs have been cleaned up.
    We have a switch user in the menu (New Login) very nice feater.
    I actually coded this into the ShutdownApplet@shelley, not that I am a programer.
    The middle click on the window list to close is a nice feater.
    Looks like a update came threw that fixed the window borders form turning black.
    Bugs
    1 Software Manager, when you click on All Packages and Accessories nothing happens.
    All the rest show a list of programs.
    2 If I moused over a scroll bar at the bottom of a window I could use the mouse wheel to scroll across the bottom.
    I can’t do this any more.
    3 The Printers icons in the menu and System Settings point to gnome-control-center printers.
    Shouldn’t it point to system-config-printer instead?
    This way it gives back the printer preferences that I and others were missing in mint 12.
    4 Main menu editor does not have Preferences and Administration in the list so can’t edit the programs in those categories.
    Also Preferences programs are duplicated in the Administration programs in the menu.
    5 ATI drivers did not work properly.
    What is the advantage of using the ATI drivers?
    6 I had some evolution updates come threw,but I don’t have evolution installed.
    Was this overlooked when evolution was removed?
    Will post other bugs when I come across them.
    Thanks for a great desktop experience. Keep it coming.

  618. Mike Freeman Says:

    @Jordan S:

    Yes, on mine, I get the standard Ubuntu purple/orange background for a second or two, then it fades to my Cinnamon background, keeping the Ubuntu 12.04 LTS logo in the corner. I would rather see a Mint-related image first, fading into whatever Cinnamon background I have (or not, if that can be configured), and have a Mint logo on it.

  619. Alexandre Says:

    while the bluetooth/MATE bug is still not fixed… i’ve tricked the system entering in the bluetooth-wizard from the terminal
    worked fine!!
    ‘fica a dica’…
    :-)

  620. Bamm Says:

    @Mike Freeman

    “2. MATE runs cooler and more stable, but still is a bit slower than Mint 10. Is there maybe something installed from Ubuntu that’s impacting the system efficiency?”

    I agree with this. Mint Maya is slower than Mint 11 Katya on my system. What apps from Ubuntu could be causing this?

    “6. Is there anyone working on a MATE- or Cinnamon-like fork of the Gnome-fallback mode (with compatible versions of all the applets and Compiz compatibility)?”

    Well, the Mate website says that once it is complete, its next goal is to port it to Gtk3.

  621. Alexandru Says:

    Hi Clem and Team,

    Congratulations for this release.
    I have a concern related to LM Debian:
    - The installation issues were solved?

    I know this question is out of context, but I think these issues were not addressed, as far as I know.

    In what regards these releases of LM I would like to make few suggestions:
    - I think would be better to focus on only one code base, meaning either Ubuntu or Debian. This would permit to the development team to focus more into the quality process and new tooling LM may bring.
    - Have you guys considered to create a service in which your customers would create their own customized distro? Something similar as OpenSuse has.
    The advantage of this would be that you only provide the standard, base platform then you let people add the tools or windows managers they would like.
    This would be a very convenient service allowing you guys to focus as I said on more quality, design and innovation.
    - Regarding the service I described above (customized distro’s) I would suggest that after a period of testing you should provide this service as a paid service. You should allow the people to make either a donation or pay a standard price for it. Of course the donation shouldn’t be lower than certain amount. I say that because to provide these distros which we all use, it is also a financial expense which it has to be supported.
    To allow LM to evolve toward a more complete, professional and high quality product I think such services are desirable.

    I consider, that the only differentiating factor between Linux distributions should not only be a good code base (Ubuntu, Debian, etc) but rather the innovation, quality tools and pervasiveness of that particular distro.

    All the best,

  622. kyros Says:

    I tried to install it (Linux Mint 13 rc Cinnamon) a HP Mini 210.
    Unfortunately I couldn’t get the right mouse click working for the touchpad (button-less Synaptics ClickPad with multitouch support and on/off button) so it seems that the driver doesn’t fit…

  623. cwwgateway Says:

    @Alexandru
    I have no idea about the Debian installer (I didn’t know there was a problem), but I’ll give my thoughts on your suggestions:
    -Mint used to be based only on Ubuntu, but LMDE was originally to show that they could move their base around and be independent from Ubuntu. Also, I think that right now there’s a demand for both debian and ubuntu.
    -The mint team doesn’t have the skills to do this (although the openSUSE one is really neat), although Clem has published a tutorial on how to make ISOs – http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/918
    -The Mint Team has tried having payed services before, but there was very little demand. I don’t think that someone would pay to make a distro off of Mint instead of just doing it using Ubuntu for free (then you add the Linux Mint repos and you have all of the software). And then see my comments above
    -I strongly agree with your last point.

  624. KY-Bob Says:

    Re: Mike Lewis in #324: I had the same experience with the Live CD of LM13-Cinnamon. The screen is blue, the menu items appear but the icons are distorted. Some icons in the panel are as expected but others are also distorted (small squares only). I am using an Nvidia FX-5200-based graphics card connected via AGP. This “seems” to meet the minimum system requirements listed. Also, I get a blue screen with shadows around the places where the windows should be. Things look almost normal but reverts to the blue screen. Is it my graphics card? I may just have to stay with MATE, which seems to work. I just wanted to try Cinnamon.

    I also tried the live LM13rc DVD on my new HP g6 laptop with AMD graphics and It operates in a fall back mode with one panel and the classic menu setup. The laptop is a 64-bit but I used the 32-bit version. I am not sure if these issues can/wil be addressed before release.

  625. Narielle Says:

    I’m just a noob and chose Matte desktop. What an incredible experience you’ve done for us! Awesome! Linuxmint is beautiful and completely plug’n'play… the only thing: I’m not sure if my Nvidia GT 540M is working and if Windows’ games is possible on it. Thanks and xcuse my english please…

  626. riocraft Says:

    sorry for the mistake. I write with a translator.
    dhcp does not work with Service vpnpptp (http://code.google.com/p/vpnpptp/)
    Who else could realties faced the same problem.
    wait for release!

  627. Neal Says:

    @Clem

    Thank you very much for your response to number 449. We understand the reasons to avoid changing the kernel after RC.

    One of the things that’s always distinguished Mint until now was that wireless usually wasn’t a problem, unlike several other distros.

    As a bypass, would you consider including the necessary b43 firmware as a file somewhere on the DVD? That way the DVD would at least be “self-contained”. (I.E., you could still install and update from it if you had no access to hard wired Ethernet after doing the bypass.)

    Thanks,

    Neal

  628. Adriano Says:

    Clem,

    I love Mint 12. I am testing 13.. I use Wine and Playonlinux..
    I found that my Starcraft 2 game will not boot in 13. I went and
    researched it and I found it has to do with Ubuntu 12.04′s
    Kernel..(I believe its 3.2.0-23)

    Not sure if that is something you can fix. Can this be addressed
    in the final release of LM13?

  629. Oostachterhoek Says:

    First I want to thank you for this great release.
    I am using a EEEPC 1201n. After installing mint 13 mate version, suspend did not work properly. When i suspended, my laptop resumed right away back. I solved this problem by disabling wakeup USB. (ACPItool) I am using a wireless mouse, this made resume my laptop immediately. (In Mint 11, USB is disabled by default for wakeup, i discovered, so no problem with Mint 11 in this case)
    Other problem i encountered is the following: I cannot face-browsing in my login screen. So easily login, by just clicking an image on login is not possible. I can choose for the plain login screen, but this i do not like.
    I will install Mint 13 for sure.

  630. Simon Says:

    Hi

    In the future is there a focus at one windows server ? I mean is the main Linux Mint edition with Cinnamon ?

  631. tony w Says:

    Just installed & having trouble getting remastersys to work properly. Might be an idea to integrate this into Mint, if you can. Maya looking good & when I get remastersys to work properly will be a definite improvement on previous release. Keep up the good work guys, it is the best one.

  632. wei2912 Says:

    I hope that everyone will seed their copy of Linux Mint 13 after downloading it with BitTorrent. This can improve speeds of downloads for new users and users who are interested in testing it out.

  633. vecino Says:

    Hello … I have USB 3G modem dongle (CELOT K-300) and always is modem after cca 40 minutes disconnected and signal strength is still 0%. I use standard gnome network-manager. In Mint 12 or LMDE is all ok. Modem is working all time without disconnected and signal strength is ok too. Thank you.

  634. Azarien Says:

    I cannot resize window by lower right corner in MATE. It’s very hard to do with Mint-X theme, and impossible with Ambiance/Radiance. I’m running Mint on VMware Player, this seems relevant.

  635. Jake Rayson Says:

    Wow. I am impressed. Installed first time on a MacBook Air 4,2. Absolute breeze. Everything seems to work okay so far, haven’t needed to tweak any settings (there is some info over on ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir ). A big thank you and donation coming Mint’s way :)

  636. wei2912 Says:

    Another note, seeder to leacher ratio has reached over 11. Please help to continue increasing it.

  637. Bruno Dantas (aka bdantas) Says:

    I found solutions or workarounds to all the problems I mentioned above:

    1-inconsistent autologin: Fixed itself

    2-no login chime after autologin: Use aplay as mentioned above

    3-handbrake not in repository: Latest version of handbrake is for Ubuntu 11.10, but it can be installed in Ubuntu 12.04/Linux Mint 13 without any problems. Instructions here: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/how-i-installed-handbrake-0-9-6-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/

    4-ibus icon: Open a terminal, type ibus-setup, when GUI comes up choose “when active” for the “Show language panel” option, restart ibus

    5-remote desktop: Even though vino-server is in list of Startup Applications, if you open a terminal and type pc -ef | grep vino you will see that vino-server isn’t running (i.e., the entry for it under Startup Applications gets ignored for some reason). To force it to actually run at startup, open a terminal and type gksu pluma /etc/mdm/Init/Default then append the following line before the final ‘exit 0′: /usr/lib/vino/vino-server –sm-disable &

    These were the only issues I had with the MATE 64-bit RC installation and setup–many fewer than I’ve ever had with any distro. If anybody knows the reason for vino-preferences in Startup Applications being ignored, please post it here as I am very curious as to why this is.

  638. Jason Says:

    Hello,

    I have been testing 13RC in a VM for a few hours this morning, and I am… impressed, to say the least. So far Cinnamon has been faster in the VM than I’ve ever seen it on the host hardware, and it’s been rock-solid stable so far.

    If it’s possible for me to say, I’d like to express my desire for a Mint 13 32bit OEM installation media. 32bit OEM was missing from Mint 12, and as a result, I’ve been sticking with 9 LTS for the 32bit PCs that pass through my business. However, 9 is getting a bit behind, and with 13 being the next LTS, it strikes me -as an outsider to your process, of course- as a good time to shift my focus to this latest release. However, I can only do that if it is available in 32bit.

    Thank you for yet another awesome release of this amazing OS!

  639. roger64 Says:

    Linux Mint follows Ubuntu choices and seems not to care about some significant progress areas. Examples coming to my mind:
    - Ipv6 support (how long can we ignore it?)
    - systemd support (you really think Upstart is better?)
    - BTRFS (and snapshots) implementation

    Will Mint (and LMDE) follow the Ubuntu way on these points or go on its own in the coming months?

  640. Devon Day (realitykid) Says:

    Thanks Bruno Dantas for the heads up about Handbrake. Kind of sucks that it isn’t in the Ubuntu 12.04 repo right now. Luckily, I don’t need Handbrake to survive. But it’ll have to show up at some point. lol

  641. Diego Says:

    Waiting for the KDE version.

    Thanks for all your hard work.

    Linux Mint rocks.

  642. caf4926 Says:

    I see the 0520 images are approved stable!
    Any time now we’ll have it

  643. morphystation Says:

    Can’t see the “apply to wide system” when setting in proxy server in Linux Mint 13 RC MATE version

    I can’t connect to the internet.

  644. Silverio Says:

    Hi all,

    I tried to install Linux Mint 13 Maya. At my work, we have a proxy.
    I found the proxy settings, but not the button to “apply to system wide”. In consequence, apt-get update and other tools don’t work fine.

    Will this feature reappear in the final release ?

  645. MOGH Says:

    Jack@240

    I couldn’t agree more with you about Mate, my thanks to Clem too. Setting up Mate is so fast, and I see and feel the difference from GNOME 2, Mate works and looks better !

    I know this is a RC, but running it, it seems as solid as I’ve known Mint to be in the past.

    @Clem
    Thanks again, I would like to ask about when LM 13 final will be out ? if a ballpark date is available ?

  646. Roj Says:

    @Clem554

    Thanks! I’d test later on today. Also, there is one long-standing Mint issue I could never understand. I can install any version of Ubuntu on my Dell Optiplex 740 test box but with every Mint version, the CD boot process starts and the machine reboots. What on earth is in every iteration of the Mint startup sequence that is so different from native Ubuntu that the Dell is allergic to it?

    Finally, and while I have your ear, I saw your post to tux-sven about exporting Compiz settings. If I were to export the Compiz settings from Mint 10 or Ubuntu 10.10 and import them into Mint 13 / MATE, (I’d have to figure out how an export / import function worked) would that constitute the tweaks you were considering adding in a later revision of Mint / MATE?

    Cheers and thanks!

  647. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    ATI proprietary driver install through “Additional drivers” still seems a stuff from M12, more to follow.

  648. Nicholas Bodley Says:

    Translation for Helder, Msg. #600:

    Linux Mint sometimes freezes when opening Libre Office for example.
    Ubuntu 4.12 is faster to boot than 13 mint.

    Cumprimentos,

    [nb]

  649. Mikko H Says:

    Have been using MATE 64-bit for three days. Here are my notes about “bugs”:

    1. It feels like there is some problem connecting to the internet. Pretty often my browser cannot open web page and says “Cannot Find Server or DNS Error”.

    2. Avant Window Navigator: if I open “Terminal” by clicking the icon, there comes two “Terminal” in the window list of the MATE panel. After about 10 seconds the other one disappers. Same situation with every program launched using AWN dock.

    3. If I put the mouse cursor on top of desktop icon, there comes “Starting file manager” in the MATE window list which disappears almost right away. This happens only the first time cursor is put on top of the icon (can be reproduced only by restarting X again).

  650. pablo Says:

    Linux Mint 13 RC MATE EXCELENT!!!!!!! :)
    Linux Mint 13 RC CINNAMON SO SO :(

  651. Nicholas Bodley Says:

    Translation for Russ (#613); Google Translate says it’s Slovak, and that seems right. (It doesn’t quite look like Czech to me, but I’m only a dilettante!)

    Raw translation:
    Whatever is outside 13tka whole and not just because the RC tests reveal that I was worth to wait. My lucky number 13 did not disappoint. BTW still used 9 Isadora. A dtum my birth 13/09/19 .. strange how it works. Thank MINTaci.

    Unfortunately, I can’t quite understand the first five words, here.

    Edited translation:
    [Whatever is outside 13tka whole] and not just because the RC tests reveal that it was worth waiting for. My lucky number 13 did not disappoint. BTW still [am using] 9 Isadora. My birth date is 13/09/19 .. strange how it works.

    Thanks, MINTaci.

    Trying to interpret his birth date (in Slovak, the month was one digit), it’s probably 13th of September, but, “19″? (Perhaps he was born in 1919 — he’d be a respected elder at that age!) I did check Wikipedia for date formats, btw.

  652. Nicholas Bodley Says:

    Woopsie: Russ’ message was #611; sorry. Close…

    I do really like message previews rendered with different line breaks and a different font, as well as ability to edit after posting (within some time limit such as 30 minutes.)

    Best,
    [nb]

  653. Nicholas Bodley Says:

    @narielle (625):
    “Thanks and xcuse my english please…”

    It’s almost perfect. Nice going, as we say!

    [nb]

  654. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    ATI driver install *definitely* stuffed up. This seemed to start with M12 and continues now through M13, very disconcerting as graphics is a show-stopper for most folks, and this is a regression from M11 and earlier where all worked fine.

    Here are the particulars.

    It is pretty much a massive failure as the system to get drivers working fails in several locations with no immediate work around short of Google & terminal.

    To start, the install was M13/Mate (x64) on a system with a ATI HD 57xx and 2 monitors.

    Initially from a fresh install although “ATI Catalyst Control” is already in “Control Center” (seems as it shouldn’t be,) it will not start, complaining of missing drivers, fail.

    Running “Additional Drivers” lists two entries for ATI it is unclear which would be the proper choice for an end user. It seems as though “ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver (post-release updates) would be the right choice, or maybe it is updates to the other entry and needs to be installed/activated after first installing the other option “ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver”. It’s unclear which should be chosen, but they both produce the same results; a download and then an error message saying that install failed and look at Jockey error log, fail.

    Second attempt was to turn on the second monitor through “Control Center/Monitors” while this initially activated the second monitor after a re-boot the change was lost and attempts to reactivate gave an error stating that the “required virtual size does not fit available size”, fail.

    Third effort was to download ATI drivers from ATI’s site. Drivers downloaded and install started (at this point we have already failed “easy” for the new user), the installer says removal of existing ATI FGLRX is required, so open Synaptic and search for and remove anything with FGLRX in it. This requires the additional removal of “X-Org_ALL” (an approximation but the “all” part) making one wonder “am I about to uninstall X?” Hit yes and all that gets removed and the system rebooted. X is still here and the ATI downloaded installer re-started. Installation goes fine (except the install has to be started from the command line as “open as Administrator” in Nautilus attempts to open the installer as an archive file, fail). Now however the new entries in “Control Center”, the Super User version does not start, no error message, just nothing, and of course opening the other entry just tells you “if you want to make changes open the Super User version. Fail.

    So now as an end user every conceivable permutation to get working 3d and multi monitor running has hit a wall, after a whole bunch of steps I shouldn’t even have to know about. My only recourse at this point is try and Google for the command to start ATI Catalyst Control from the terminal in SU, or hit the forums hoping for a set of instructions.

    To me clear this problem is now several months old, from M12 onward so it is far beyond a RC regression. I am unclear why there is nothing mentioned in release notes for either release or a sticky in the forum. Is this not a known issue? Am I the only one experiencing it. It would be hugely helpful to have both an acknowledgement of the issue and a statement of what the known problem is and what Mint’s plans to resolve/ a workable step by step guide to fix.

    This is graphics, for one of the two major graphics makers. The problem seems related to the handling/install of a proprietary driver not it’s actual functioning. And the problem is now what I would consider long-standing.

    A few other issues you can pick out as well from the above.

    Some ATI/FGLRX stuff installed by default though incomplete/non-functioning.

    An improper file type association for a “.run” file.

    I would love to hear back on how long this problem has been circulating / statement on possible resolution within the Distro / a clear set of instructions for work-around for end users that is visibly promoted (or at the least a thread that collects best efforts by the community and gets pointed to).

    This was just the first bug report as I needed to actually install on the production desktop to check for, more to come.

  655. Adriaan Says:

    I’m so glad that LinuxMint exists :P
    Thanks for a great ditsro!

    I have a few minor issues with it though, some that were already around in earlier versions, most seem to be GTK3 related.

    I’m using the 64bit Cinnamon version.

    One thing is that I use dual monitors, one Samsung one (1920×1200, secondary) and a 27″ Apple Cinema Display (2560×1440, primary), which seems to cause several issues: When I open the workspaces view and hover over one with the mouse all windows move out of the viewfield, so I can’t drag n drop em between workspaces. Furthermore the hot-corner on the top left only works when i hit the one pixel that activates it instead of moving onto the secondary screen with my mouse. When i change its position to the bottom left it only changes its position on the main screen, the secondary screen still has it on the top left position. If I choose bottom or top right it doesn’t work at all on the main screen, secondary still keeps it on top left.
    Also, system notifications are shown at a weird position more or less in the middle of the main screen, with the right edge cut off.
    Firefox, if opened in full-screen, opens either on the secondary screen or it opens on the primary but in the view that you get when you are in expo, it normalizes after minimizing and re-maximizing it.

    Other issues that probably aren’t related to the multi monitors are that GTK themes nor mouse, icons or any other themes (except cinnamon themes) will apply. I was able to get rid of the ugly grey fallback look by creating several config files (~/.gtkrc-2.0 and ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini) and specifying the themes therein.

    Keyboard shortcuts as volume controls, mute, etc won’t work, while other keyboard shortcuts do work.
    As mentioned earlier, most issues were already present in earlier distros of Mint or Ubuntu.
    The GTK theme also won’t apply while using the installer, which is why during the installation the installer was black and I was only able to read what a button said while hovering above it. This was apparently fixed in Ubuntu 12.04 or they found a workaround, their previous installers were pink, as was Mint’s before Maya.

    In the MATE version I can’t get Compiz to work properly which is kind of a prerequisite for me and my favorized media player, Rhythmbox, doesn’t hide to tray unless I install the required indicator, which then again results in me having two volume controls in my panel.

    Anyways, thanks again for a great distro that is working (almost) perfectly and still uses a nice look & feel.

    Kind regards

    Adriaan

  656. PB Says:

    @Clifton Hyatt,

    Officially, you are not the only one having trouble. At the very very best, it’s been a crap shoot for me with Nvidia drivers. I have a PC at work with onboard ATI drivers, and it’s even worse.

    Some people say Nvidia created an issue with a security patch that causes problems with the Kernel. Some say Ubuntu has engineered a fix for this. I will say that installing Ubuntu 12.04 with Unity automatically installs the current Nvidia driver during the install if you choose to install third party software during installation.

    Jockey used to be great at installing correctly, but it does nothing but fail also since LM12. Kubuntu 11.10 also fails when using Jockey and by extension, LM12-KDE fails.

    I can’t say how well the drivers are implemented in Ubuntu 12.04, but desktop affects are “working,” though not as fluidly as I have seen in earlier releases.

    Good news/bad news is these things appear to be upstream, so not Clems fault. But again, they are upstream, which means there is little that Clem can do at this stage.

    I know this answer doesn’t make you feel any better, but you aren’t alone. Lot’s of things are just up in the air right now, not just the DE issues.

    Riddle me this: I can install kde-workspace-bin in Ubuntu 12.04. It looks horrendous, but it works. It looks like someone taped a Redmond style dialogue box over top of a nice KDE window. On the other hand, when I try to install KDE in LM13, it tells me I have broken packages.

    Go figure.

  657. PB Says:

    On another Ubuntu note, I’m not a fan of Unity at all, but it is actually quite snappy. I’ve had not crashes yet. Boot up and shut down are quick.

    It appears that most of the issues for LM13 are related to MATE and Cinnamon. Once they stabilize a bit further, it seems reasonable to expect there performance to be more on par with Ubuntu.

    In the back of my mind, I am honestly wondering if Clem shouldn’t hold off on LTS for a version or two.

    I know it is dependent on what Ubuntu is doing, but could the Mint team leap frog this one for LTS, and wait for 14 or even 15?

  658. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    @PB Yeah my memory is a little hazy going back a year but I thought I remembered ATI driver install issues with M11 as well (wanted to give the benefit of the doubt).

    On the ATI side, as said above the issue doesn’t apear to be the driver (once installed it works well) functioning as much as the handling of the install. This may be an upstream issue with Jockey? a repo Jockey relies on? something else?

    It needs a fix. or it needs to be abandoned an alternate developed. ATI drivers aren’t an edge case, it’s gotta be 30% of the potential Mint users, and as you said this problem has been here in the neighbourhood of a year now. This is to important an issue (graphics) with to widely used of a manufacturer to not fix/address.

    And at a minimum by address I mean acknowledge and point to known work arounds.

    I understand Mint uses upstream packages/components and some things they have little control of; but the control they do have is acknowledge/warning of the issue and facilitate folks finding and implementing a work around.

    That is the part that is most troubling, just relying on official mint communications/release notes/forum stickies a person would never know their is an issue. So the logical flow to get graphics working is the frustrating series of steps listed above, ending in failure, and then start trolling the search feature on the forums or Google. This paragraph is what is in Mint’s control and should be fixed.

  659. PB Says:

    As for ATI drivers, Jockey fails completely in Ubuntu 12.04 also. For some reason, installing Ubuntu on the home PC included installing the Nvidia current driver during system installation. At least, when I started Jockey after first boot, it clearly said that latest Nvidia driver was already in use.

    Not the case with ATI. Jockey took several minutes to download and install, but was never completed, as it failed miserably. Not good news.

  660. Owen Luke Says:

    I have found a bug in the sound settings. If you select any alert sound in the Sound Effects tab, then select default trying to change the effect for a third time the Sound dialogue closes.

    Also, I notice if I set the user accounts to login with no password it removes the passwords completely (the password field changes to none); I need login with no password as I have young children and I want them to simply click to login.

    That brings me to a final point to help the children login I need a face browser so at the moment I will have swapped back to LightDM.

    Other then that please keep up the great work.

  661. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    On the upside the Tenda w322u (ralink chipset) blocklist issue that has plagued M11 & M12 is resolved now. [thumbs up].

    Don’t take anything I post as a failure to appreciate the layered nature of a distro; or acknowledgement that Clem and team toil at a labor of love, the fruits of which I enjoy gratis; or that Mint does, in fact, rock (and it is my favorite distro by far).

    Just trying to join in and get to a better Mint for all, myself included. :)

  662. Dale F Says:

    Hey Kids, if you like LM13 Mate, check out your local mirror site, the official version may already be there…same for Cinnamon version too!

  663. Maarten Baert Says:

    I’m using MATE 64-bit and it works pretty well so far. The window manager is very fast, even when I set my graphics card to the lowest power setting.

    A few bugs:

    - ‘seahorse’ is not included, and I can’t install it from the repositories because it depends on gnome-keyring. I assume I can’t install gnome-keyring and mate-keyring at the same time …

    - unlocking the keyring automatically when logging in doesn’t work, I found the solution here (first part only):
    https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=124378
    I added this:
    > auth optional pam_mate_keyring.so
    > session optional pam_mate_keyring.so auto_start
    to /etc/pam.d/mdm and now it works fine.

    - In the panel menu, when hovering the mouse over the application categories, the menu sometimes starts to quickly switch between two categories. You can trigger it by moving the mouse over the categories and pressing a keyboard button at the same time (it’s related to the search box apparently).

    @Clifton Hyatt:
    > Second attempt was to turn on the second monitor through “Control
    > Center/Monitors” while this initially activated the second monitor
    > after a re-boot the change was lost and attempts to reactivate gave
    > an error stating that the “required virtual size does not fit
    > available size”, fail.

    Put this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
    Section “Screen”
    Identifier “Default Screen”
    SubSection “Display”
    Virtual 1920 1980
    EndSubSection
    EndSection
    Or merge it with your Screen section if you have one already. The important part is ‘Virtual 1920 1980′, replace this with the combined size of your screens (or larger). Works fine for me with both the open-source radeon driver and FGLRX. I had to do this too on Ubuntu (both oneiric and precise), so it’s not really a Mint issue.

  664. Pablo Contreras Says:

    On what platforms walks linux mint?

  665. Fudger Says:

    Installed Mate 64 bit. Looks good but I have ATI graphics in my Asus F1A55-M LE mobo. As others have commented, installation of restricted drivers fails.
    I previously had latest Kubuntu (12.04) running with ATI drivers installed via jockey, so it should be possible to get this sorted, but it is beyond me.
    I much prefer to use Mint but without proper drivers it puts higher loads on CPU when watching video etc.
    I hope it will be sorted for the final release.

  666. Cmrt Says:

    @Clifton Hyatt & PB:

    I have problems with ATI drivers, too. My desktop has Pentium 4 3. Ghz and ATI Radeon HD 6450. In all *buntu variants, starting with Natty, and also *buntu-based Mints, I experience the following:

    * Live CD/DVD works fine
    * installation works fine
    * first boot: black flickering screen, you can’t see a thing, have to hard reset the computer.

    The solution I found:

    * after installation, I boot into recovery mode
    * choose the option to mount filesystems and have access to internet
    * after that, I choose the option to go to a root terminal.

    Then I run the following:

    # apt-get update
    # apt-get dist-upgrade
    # apt-get install fglrx fglrx-amdcccle
    # aticonfig –initial

    and then reboot normally. Everything runs fine. By first boot, I get a message that “additional drivers are available”. There are two, one “post installation” which does nothing, and the other, when clicked, says the driver is installed and already in use.

    And that’s it. I hope it helps someone with similar problems.

    I don’t know why this happens with Ubuntu distros — for instance, it does not happen with LMDE! After installing LMDE, I get a working desktop with the open source “radeon” driver installed and functioning properly. And I thus have the option to install (or not) fglrx-driver. No problem at all. Unlike the *buntus and ubuntu-based Mints (starting with 11.04 Natty, that is).

    So I suspect there is a problem with ATI drivers and the Ubuntu base, but then I’m no expert at all.

  667. Vincent Vermeulen Says:

    Hi Clem, DORowell on the forums shared that installing Wine on MATE uninstalls some packages (like mate-common). I’m not sure about the harm. It doesn’t do so on Cinnamon, and the difference seems to be caused by the package gettext being installed on MATE and not on Cinnamon, and Wine having a conflict with that somehow. Perhaps have a look.

    http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=102684&p=582881#p582881

    I might have a (temporary) workaround there, but I’m not that familiar with Wine. So any knowledgeable Wine users, please pitch in!

  668. Claus de Zwaan Says:

    Hi Clem e.a.
    Live session dvd lm13 cinnamon 64 bit ran great, installing seemed to have had no problems, but after restart no partitions were found.
    non of the installed os’s could boot anymore, reinstalled lm12, partitions were found again, Gave installing lm13 another try,but alas,same problem.I am now going back installing lm 12 again, maybe it was a bad burn , though integrity check didn’t find any problems.
    I’ll probably wait until final release or do a new burn..
    Looks very promising though and thanks for another great edition !

  669. Rogério Nazaré Says:

    @Dale F : yes there is!!!

  670. Roj Says:

    @Clem554

    Hi Clem,

    Sorry but it’s no-go. I installed all the updates avaialbe and yes the menus are now visible but they aren’t zoomed at all, which makes them moot. I see what you mean about the mouse cursor not being visible also.

    In any event, if the menus aren’t magnified, the show stops right there.

    Again, sorry…

  671. Mike Freeman Says:

    @Pavlo (#615),

    Thanks! I had tried it a long time ago, but it was apparently more limited than it seems to be now. I hadn’t tried it in Mint 13, because I couldn’t get it to login without an Xsession error. But, something I did in installing/uninstalling/testing things suddenly made it run. You’re right, it’s quite nice! Don’t like the missing Mint icon and System menu in the Gnome Menu Bar applet, but I can handle that for now. As far as I can tell, all that needs to be done is port the Mint menu, and you’ve got a GTK 3 version of MATE, complete with Indicator applet and Compiz compatibility! They seriously should have forked THIS instead of Gnome 2! I think I’ve found my desktop! At least until Cinnamon works with ATI cards and no extreme overheating… :)

  672. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    @cmrt Thanks for posting, I’ll give this a go and post results.

  673. luisgf Says:

    New LTS edition! great!
    So far, I have installed both versions on VirtualBox and I found that Cinnamon does not autoscale the taskbar when going to seamless mode unless you go to fullscreen first (MATE works perfectly). Full disclosure: I didn’t install “VirtualBox Additions” since seamless mode worked out of the box.

    On the MATE version, when I click on a link in the welcome screen, such as “Forums” or “Known problems”, Firefox is opened successfully but the welcome screen hangs. This does not happen on Cinnamon.

    Thank you for a great piece of software, looking forward to upgrade from my all-time favorite Linux distro, Mint Isadora.

  674. zappa Says:

    I’ve been waiting for Mint 13 to fresh install a few older systems. One is an old Toshiba Celeron laptop with an R200 ATI gfx chip (ie. lame) and 1.5G of RAM. It ran Ubuntu 10.04 with an acceptable turn of speed and became my trusty media/web machine for all to use. Since upgrading to 12.04 performance got dreadful, but upon switching to Enlightenment desktop the performance is probably as nice as that laptop could ever be. Apart from standby (which never worked on linux with this machine), it zips along and I even get smooth video playback at fullscreen from within the browser (never before). Must be some kernel tweaks to the open source ATI driver.

    Question is, which edition of Mint would be best for that system. I’d like a similar, light on the system experience to Enlightenment, or at least to Gnome 2.x. Are MATE and Cinnamon heavier on the system? Which is the lightest? Are there configurations to “lighten them up?”

    Sadly Enlightenment is a little to buggy and has too many quirks to be a runner, and Unity/12.04 has absolutely dreadful performance.

    Keep up the good work Clem&co, Z :)

  675. PB Says:

    @Cmrt,

    I will try that process as well, and thanks for the input. On the other hand, you have to admit, that that simply isn’t common knowledge to us button pushers. That is not exactly an out of the box solution. What’s so frustrating is these processes were at one time stupidly easy, and now have seemed to fall flat. Thanks again though, will give it a try.

  676. DrLuck Says:

    Asus UL30VT Laptop – Linux Mint 13 Maya RC Cinnamon 64

    Keyboard brightness hot keys do not work. (FN+F5, FN+F6)

    Do you need more information?

  677. mintyed Says:

    from my past experiences mate has been at the leading edge of desktops for mint.

    what i want to know is does cinnamon 1.4 still rely on gnome desktop. relying on gnome did create some hastes for me in mint 12 and lmde. hopefully cinnamon will catch up to mate one day. mate is independent of gnome 3 which is great.

  678. winemaker9 Says:

    Thanks for the considering those of us without the latest/greatest boxes that have PAE built in. The beauty of linux, and Mint especially, is the ability to use your older equipment as a second box. Something Ubuntu has forgotten.

  679. Bamm Says:

    @Pavlo, Gnome-Fallback is and always was a crippled version of the old interface. It is intended to allow people with less powerful computers to use Gnome3; it is not designed as a complete DE.

  680. Al Kabaila aka OldAl Says:

    Are there plans afoot for a KDE version? (Using Min12 KDE). If so, when is the ETA? Eagerly awaiting!

  681. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    Follow-up, as stated above the ATI driver was downloaded and installed. So Googling the command to start Catalyst from terminal [sudo amdcccle] gets Catalyst Control in SU mode and I can extend onto the second monitor.

    Graphics resolved save for Catalyst Control Center (Administrative) still not opening from Control Center.

    sigh…

    :)

  682. Cmrt Says:

    @PB: You’re welcome, and I hope it works. And I agree with you that the solution I found is neither common knowledge nor an out of the box. Well, I’m really no expert, it took me quite a long time to figure these things out. What still lets me wondering is that LMDE installs and runs without graphics problems on my machine. I really have no idea why.

    @Clifton Hyatt: Glad to hear it worked — at least partly.

  683. cwwgateway Says:

    @Pavlo and Mike Freeman
    If you want compiz + applets + gnome 2 general look and feel, I suggest looking for SolusOS 2 when it comes out (which won’t be until Debian Wheezy). It will feature a heavily tweaked gnome fallback with support for gnome 2 applets (I’m blanking out on what they’re called – it’s bonobo or something), low memory usage (~125MB), mint style (bar at the bottom with a fully working menu on the left, I think it will be cardapio), etc. Personally, I really like Cinnamon and I think MATE is decent, but my guess is that SolusOS 2 will be very good.

    Also, when will there be an announcment for Mint 13 final? The User Guide is up (for MATE at least) and the mirrors are synced so my guess is soon. Also, will there be a Cinnamon user guide?

  684. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    Tried installing Cinnamon to my Mate install, oooops… shyte has hit the fan.

    Will detail more shortly but as I cycle through different DE’s the importance of working 3D is reinforced loud and clear, Gnome Shell, Ubuntu (??? when and from where did this login option appear??) both seem to be in fall-back mode.

    Mate panel is just gone, through reboots and re-logons, just vanished.

  685. lithos Says:

    one issue in lmde and the mate and cinnamon dDEs is also likely to apply to lm13. The popups when running on battery are often amusingly optimistic – I’ve had one predicting 24 hours of battery life (with 98% battery) one for 43 hours (@ 100% batter and another for 11 hours (at 60% batter). This has happened both on Mate and Cinnamon on my Eee PC netbook and my Toshiba laptop so i dont think it is a hardware problem. I did not see it on LM13 in virtual box though. I will check to see if this appears in lm13 when i put it on the net book,

    Overall im impressed with lm13 both cinnamon and mate. both are very well done and i certainly could work well using them. The only issue i have found so far is a very minor one (and also one ive see in the lmde version), After adding applets and workspace switcher to the bottom panel, and removing the icons next to the return to desktop icon – the menu button shrinks with the word menu partially obscured. However when programs are running it is fine. I have played around with this quite a lot and don’t seem to be able to get it back working right, Not a big deal but its an esthetic one which you may like to consider looking at.

    Overall i like lm 13 and will be making the switch. The only thing i i cant decide on is to have cinnamon or mate. so Clem- when is Cinnamon likely to be totally stable? if it is not long then i would opt for Cinnamon. if a while i would opt for mate.
    Any way great job Mint Team its great

  686. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    What I installed to blow up mate (from Synaptic):

    Cinnamon
    cinnamon-themes
    mint-artwork-cinnamon
    mint-meta-cinnamon
    mint-meta-cinnamon-dvd

    non of these listed mint-info-cinnamon as a requirement (unlike the last time I added cinnamon to a Mate install, perhaps a change was made or perhaps something different in the way I added Cinnamon.)

    I also added mdadm to get my RAID set up, not sure what caused the blow up but although Catalyst Control Center (Administrative) now opens without terminal start by and large the settings don’t seem to stick.

    I am downloading fresh Mate and Cinnamon iso’s and will run through a couple of installs, Mate adding Cinnamon and Cinnamon adding Mate, and see if I can narrow down more precisely what is causing failure.

  687. Pau Says:

    Hi, Thanks so much for MATE, i don´t like Unity and Gnome3, so Mint with MATE will be my choice (for me it is better than cinammon), and i will make my best effort to help my family and friends to change to Mint. I am waiting to find another way to donate to the project (no paypal for me, please).

  688. Grogorio Says:

    keyboard Print Screen button when pressed causes the screen to blank momentarily, however there is no subsequent function to save or copy the screenshot, and there is nothing in the clipboard

  689. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    Installing M13/Mate x64 on my Lenovo X61 tablet/Laptop system shuts down monitor/logs off after x amount of inactivity (before install is complete, resulting in crashing of “menu” “show desktop” and apparent failure of install. Restarting.

    There is no need to enable any kind of power saving/monitor shut down on a live CD which will almost invariably be being used to install from.

    On many occasions, through many versions of Mint this setting has caused a borked install. It’s one of the things I religiously undo before install.

    The default should be changed.

  690. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    Installing M13/Cinnamon x64 on desktop, skipping ATI proprietary drivers, and then adding Mate goes smooth as silk, just as expected.

    I assume OS Radeon driver is what’s powering things, multiple monitors works fine with built in app, glxgears reports 60+ fps just fine. I wonder if the ATI driver will be an issue/necessity if STEAM finally delivers a client.

    There are wish items for Cinnamon and Mate but they are both still young. I will post some on a follow up.

    I may try to recreate the mess I had previously with A Mate install followed be a Cinnamon addition at a later day (or actually tonight on the laptop).

    At this point I just want to say M13 is looking good and the dual Cinnamon/Mate track is a nice couple of options.

    Keep on truckin’ Clem and crew.

  691. nadim Says:

    I’m new to Linux (Windows background). Should I download and install Linux Mint 13 or 12 ? If I download and install 13 (Maya RC), can i update it to the final release version later or will I have to re-install the final release version of LinuxMint Maya 13 later ?

  692. PB Says:

    @cmrt

    I know what you are referring to with graphics enabled without installing proprietary. I guess it’s the Nouveau driver that seems to integrate a little better with ATI cards than Nvidia. But LMDE works nicely out of the box with ATI cards. But unless you go forward with actually installing the FGLRX driver, you will not have full blown 3D capability. Compiz seems to work fine and other desktop effects. But try running a more 3D intensive process like a busy screensaver, and you will quickly see that Nouveau can’t keep up yet. That’s when you must have FGLRX running correctly. This has also been my experience with the Ubuntu base on many occasions. Out of the box, things look good with an ATI card. But running some of the 3D rss-glx screensavers without FGLRX will not work like expect.

    With Nvidia, I believe I read that a security patch built in to the latest Nvidia driver has caused an issue with one of the latest kernels. Ubuntu actually built their own kernel to work around, or fix the issue somewhat. I don’t know how true that is, but it sounds reasonable. But others have stated that a very specific combination of one of the latest kernels combined with one of the latest Nvidia drivers also resolves more completely, and it’s a really solid configuration. But at present, I simply don’t have time to dig into that, as much as I would like to.

    I will point out a side note that I found interesting. The following LM guide works quite nicely in installing FLGRX on LMDE, and Nvidia for that matter. I had better success with Nvidia though.

    http://livelinux.altervista.org/Guida_LMDE/EN_driver.html

    For what it’s worth.

  693. Baatezuu Says:

    I am currently running Maya Cinnamon 64bit on my Dell Latitude E6400 and everything works fine for the most part. This laptop has integrated Intel graphics so I don’t have any driver issues.

    It is so far pretty stable, the new MDM login manager took a moment to get used to. I dislike having to type the username and the password to login now, but I have gotten used to it. Could be there is a way to change that but I haven’t found it yet.

    There is a message upon shutting down though that has me concerned. At the black screen it says something about broken pipes. However it shuts down without problems, so I have ignored it.

    Speaking of shutdown and startup Linux Mint 13 Maya starts up and shuts down about 50% faster then Linux Mint 12 Lisa did on this very same laptop. The first thing I noticed about Lisa was the slower shutdown speed vs Mint 11 Katya. Congrats on getting that sorted out.

    Overall I think Cinnamon has a more polished look than before even though I was running 1.4 prior to installing Maya.

    Thanks all around keep up the great work.

  694. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    Ouch… a recent head-to-head of OS vs. proprietary drivers for ATI cards puts the proprietary 2-3 times faster.

    Back to getting those ATI drivers working.

    >:(

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=radeon_mai_2012&num=10

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_hd6000_longshot&num=4

  695. Clifton Hyatt Says:

    Correction, 2-5 times faster.

  696. Robby Says:

    Maya/Mate Amd64: Sound preferences change with each restart. System is home built on a Gigabyte Ga-MA790GPT-UD3H Phenom II x 4 965 @ 3.4 Ghz. w/ 8gig ddr3 1333 Memory Normal sound setting is for the onboard Analog 5.1 output, but on restart changes to onboard HDMI output. Motherboard settings allow for D-sub/HDMI or D-sub/DVI

    Duh, Just looked at the sound settings and found that I could turn the onboard HDMI setting OFF, did so, will see if that takes care of the problem. Never had this happen before with Mint-10, Mint-11, or LMDE.

  697. Robby Says:

    Turning OFF the HDMI solved the problem.

  698. Cmrt Says:

    @PB: thanks for the link. I’ll give it a try; I’m thinking of reinstalling LMDE. And you’re right: 3D does work much, much better with the fglrx driver.

  699. David Says:

    I have a netbook, with a Atom N470, 2 go ram and video Intel GMA3150
    What’s the best ?
    Mate or Cinnamon ?

    Edit by Clem: If you hesitate between the two, go for MATE. It’s a mature desktop environment and it works well on all systems. Cinnamon is nice but it requires 3D acceleration and depending on your hardware may or may not work well for you.

  700. JannPeter Says:

    Hi! I just recently installed Linux Mint 13 Cinnamon on a Sony Vaio VPCYB15AG NetBook and I am having problems with my cheap SIGMACHIP usb mouse.

    It works on Windows but I can’t seem to configure it properly on Maya.
    The mouse is recognized but only the button work and the pointer won’t move. I will be really pleased if you could help me on this.

    Thanks

  701. Tom Harding Says:

    Several total lockups requiring hard reset. Running Cinnamon 64 bit with all the current updates. This is on a new system build with Asus P8Z77-V Pro motherboard and i7-3770K processor. Video using the processor built in GPU. The lockups so far have been when using Firefox. Turning off Firefox hardware acceleration didn’t help. Windows 7 works fine. Ubuntu 12.04 had graphics timeout system errors but not a total hang. On Ubuntu turning off the Firefox hardware acceleration did help. I am not sure of the current Linux graphics support for Ivy Bridge. Ubuntu, Fedora and now Mint have all had issues.

  702. Dale F Says:

    The links for the ISO’s and torrents for Linux Mint 13 are up!
    Come and get it.

    http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=18

  703. newbie Says:

    @691 nadim: if you are not sure, try mint 11 or 12 first I’d say. mint 13 is still in beta stage so it might not work right for your computer, and you’ll probably want to install the final release when it comes out anyway. for your reference, MATE in 13 is kinda like mint 11 and cinnamon is what they come up in mint 12.

  704. Jo Says:

    This is a minor thing and it may be that I’m missing something obvious. Running Mint 13 32 bit. I can’t figure out how to get mate-screensaver to see the extra xscreensavers in its menu. Used to be with gnome-screensaver installing the extra xscreensavers would put them in the proper place, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here. I tried putting symbolic links in /usr/lib/mate-screensaver/ to the binaries in /usr/lib/xscreensaver, but no luck.

  705. camilo Says:

    Hola;..Lo vamos a probar, desde ya muchas gracias.!Me gusta linux mint..ya había probado con mint-7..

  706. Nicholas Bodley Says:

    Pablo Contreras asked on
    May 22nd, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    On what platforms walks linux mint?

    I think you meant which platforms is it compiled for — which does it run on.

    As far as I know (“afaik”), only x86, which means “mainstream” Intel (Pentium and Core) as well as AMD x86. This means it’s not compiled for Macs or other CPUs.

    Corrections welcome!

    Con mis recuerdos,
    [nb]

  707. Nicholas Bodley Says:

    My machine is becoming outdated, and am considering building a “barebones”, probably from T.D. However, quite-recent messages about “homebuilts” have me reconsidering, assuming that I’ll run Mint. Clem and crew have done Great Things, but they don’t have the resources that MS or top name brands have, to develop workarounds for the minority of machines that don’t work, or don’t work well. Last time I looked at the Mint H.C.L., weeks ago, it seemed to be sadly neglected.
    (Can’t have everything!) Seems that computers are changing too fast, and are too complicated and sophisticated, to justify writing a comprehensive hardware diagnostic suite.

    I do hope a refurb. that runs Win 7 will work, but that’s somewhat chancy. (ESOL: from “chance”, as in “take a chance”.)

    =+=+=

    Torrents:

    Running all four; been running about 2h30m. Following was for about 15 min. ago:
    Ranked by ratio, Mate 32, Cinnamon 64, Cinnamon 32, Mate 64.
    Update: Cinn. 64, Cinn. 32, Mate 32, Mate 64. First three are almost equal, but Mate 64 is roughly half. (Of course, this is just a snapshot of the present.)
    Summary ratio (all 4) so far: 1.48 (updated), although Transmission seemed to ignore the “rc” embedded into the .iso filenames when I set up the Release torrents. Apparently including the RCs, Transmission’s bottom bar has a 16.8 ratio. Seeding at about 7 Mb/s (“b” = bits, not bytes!) in past few minutes. (Update: now 3.6 Mb/s)

    Probably two days ago, I restarted RC torrents, but typical upload data rate was rather pathetic, most of it probably below 100 kb/s, if that.

    I generally don’t leave my machine on all the time, so I’ll stop seeding when the data rate drops a lot. (However, world-wide, when should I expect the highest seeding rate? I assume weekday mornings in Europe, or, afternoons there and mornings in Eastern USA, maybe.) Will burn Mate/MATE to DVD+R and try it, once torrents settle. Scanned (read/looked at quickly) Clem’s tutorial on updating; looked excellent. I’ll probably follow his recommendations, in general (especially backups!). However, my main drive is 500 GB, so I have space to create extra partitions to try out new distros. I really hope GRUB behaves, if I set up multibooting. It’s been OK, so far.

    Best regards, and nice going!
    [nb]

  708. Tom Harding Says:

    Further info lockups with Ivy Bridge CPU: Apparently I am not the only one seeing this problem with current linux releases. Updating the kernel to 3.3.6 seems to have fixed it. Here is where I found info about it: http://partiallysanedeveloper.blogspot.com/2012/05/ivy-bridge-hd4000-linux-freeze.html

    By the way, I really like how Cinnamon is working. Great job!

  709. carlos martinez jofre Says:

    hola buenas noches
    quiero comentarles que soy usuario en este momento de linux mint 13 y encuentro que algunos enlaces de el gestor de softwere como “todos los paquetes y accesorios” no funcionan o estan rotos, todo lo demas del sistema operativo funciona hasta el momento a las mil maravillas y es muy bello, pero me gustaria que me aclararan esto

    saludos –carlos martinez jofre
    usuario amante de linux

  710. badbodh Says:

    MATE bluetooth non functional. preferences dialogue never opens up. worked fine on mint 12 (gnome/cinnamon)

  711. Ray MacDonald Says:

    I’ve had a lot of problems with the LM13 Ubiquity installer. When trying an install from either a USB stick or a DVD I keep getting installer crashes and of course the system is then totally borked. I don’t seem to have this problem at all with my Linux Mint 12 DVD. This has happened both with the RC and the final release ISOs.

  712. Diana Says:

    LM13 MATE install error from the terminal: (ubiqity:4927) CRITICAL **: unable to create ‘/root/.cache/dconf’; dconf will not work properly.

  713. caetydid Says:

    Update: suspend and hibernate work just fine using acpi-tool hence i assume it is an issue with MATE not implementing this feature (yet).
    Is there any chance this will arrive some day soon as update within the LTS period?
    Would really appreciate this functionality being restored from Gnome2 :)

  714. Casey Says:

    Having a real issue with the RC version. I have installed the cinnamon version. Everything was working well, until I tried logging into a session using other than the cinnamon (I don’t remember which I used). Now I can’t access the menu items at all, and the icons for minimizing, closing, etc. have disappeared on all windows. Not sure what is going on. This occurs regardless on whether I open in cinnamon or any other session type. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    Thanks.


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