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Before we begin, let me thank all our donors and sponsors. Many thanks to all of you for the help you’re providing us!
We’ve got new HWE ISOs this month and some really exciting news. As always, please be aware that the features and improvements mentioned in this blog are a work in progress and that this is a preview of what’s to come and what’s planned for the next release of Linux Mint.
HWE ISOs
A new set of HWE ISOs is available for Linux Mint 22.3 with kernel 7.0.
For more information on HWE, or to download these ISOs: https://www.linuxmint.com/hwe.php
Environment Variables
The System Administration tool received a new page dedicated to environment variables.
Variables defined on this page are set system-wide for all user sessions (graphical and/or console).
Kernel Management
Kernel management was removed from the Update Manager and re-implemented within the System Administration tool.
This new implementation supports both Linux Mint and LMDE. It focuses on kernel series rather than individual kernels.
Kernel management is very simple: You decide which series you want to track and how many older kernels you want to keep. You then receive kernel updates for your tracked series in the Update Manager, and older kernels are automatically removed by the system on a weekly basis.
If you need to free up space immediately, cleanups can be triggered manually.
You can also click on the History button to see which kernels were removed and when.
If you install a kernel from an unknown or custom series, the tool will list its series and give you the ability to mark it as tracked.
In the screenshot below, we installed an OEM and a Real Time kernel.
When you track a known series, the tool installs its meta-packages and ensures you receive updates for that series. In the case of a custom series, the tool doesn’t know how to do that and warns you that it is your responsibility to do so.
If a series is not tracked, all of its installed kernels get automatically removed during the next cleanup. Unless… you protect them.
You can click the “View all kernels” button to install, remove, or protect individual kernels.
When a kernel is marked as “protected”, it becomes immune to kernel cleanups and never gets deleted.
Keyboard Layouts and IM
Cinnamon received support for Fcitx5 with full Wayland/X11 parity.
With Fcitx5 selected in the Input Methods settings, Cinnamon no longer launches ibus-daemon, but uses a different internal handler instead. It lets you define a single layout and delegates everything else to Fcitx.
Cinnamon also features a new keyboard layout viewer.
This viewer replaces the gnome-kbd viewer, which was discontinued.
Other improvements
Interacting with the panel when working with fullscreen windows feels much more natural than before. You can click other components of the panel, close the menu, open other applets, etc.
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Will notifications of tracked kernels be received as they become available?
Yes, but they’re not notifications, they’re package updates in the Update Manager.
I am thinking of returning to LMDE. As a 5090 user what kernel and driver do I need if I use LMDE? also excellent work as always.
Thank you for the exciting update!
Does Kernel management work with Kernels from Debian Backports on LMDE?
Yes but it’s worth mentioning that updating the meta from Debian backports just updates the series, it doesn’t make a new series available if that makes sense.
This is great. Thanks for all your hard work!
Really like env variable tab, sometimes really need it
The new kernel manager is wonderful news! I have been waiting for LMDE to get one for a while c:
If I msy ask, are there any plans for the 20th anniversary of mint?
Oh wow, 20 years already!? I didn’t see that coming, it’s making me feel quite old 🙂 It’s been a lot of fun since the very start. Time really flew by. I’ve no official plans but I’ll definitely toast to that 🙂
Looks like the new kernel manager is a big win in LM and LMDE.
Implementation in system administration looks promising.
Thanks for the updates and your ongoing efforts!
Clem, I’d like to ask: Have you considered a more frequent update policy for Mesa in Mint? Given the Steam statistics, LM is one of the leading distros used for gaming on Linux, so an improvement in this area would be helpful.
Regarding Wayland, neither Celluloid, Onboard, nor Print Screen (with two monitors) seem to be compatible with this type of session—at least based on testing with the current experimental version.
Best regards!
P.S. Just to clarify: will Mint’s new release cycle mean that it will switch to one release per year, or will that be determined after the release of Mint 23?
Mesa’s always been the same version as in the Ubuntu base, so that won’t change at all.
The Wayland session probably won’t be default in Mint 23 but it will be fully supported and largely on par with the Xorg session.
You can work around that by installing the flatpak version of steam having the latest mesa drivers included.
Greetings
Glad to see even further feature parity between LMDE and Linux Mint.
For the Kernel Manager I am curious whether we will be able to install the backports kernels directly through the GUI like how in the Linux Mint previous Kernel Manager if a user was on an LTS kernel he could download the latest HWE kernel directly from the manager (if available), or if he was on an HWE kernel he could downgrade to the LTS kernel from the GUI.
Another thing I find myself doing is looking up in the start menu “Kernel Manager” but since it was a sub-feature of the Update Manager it never recommends you click on the Update Manager, and I was wondering if that can be fixed so looking up “Kernel Manager” would recommend the “System Administration” app.
Would be good to document these changes on the wiki too: https://mintwiki.org/wiki/Kernel_Manager
Kernel manager looks really useful, great work and thanks to you and the team
Now that we have Wayland, which has great support for touch devices, we need some way to implement multi-select with touch screen with Nemo. I submitted a pull request for checkboxes which enable this, but the developers did not seem to be interested (https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo/pull/3811). Please implement some method to select multiple things with a touchscreen in Nemo.
Hey Clem,
Some of us have been testing these changes in VMs as they enter the Alfa repo. Any idea when we might see a new update to the repo with the latest batch of changes?
Thanks!
I’m planning one this week.
@Jacob, I’ve been doing some testing with LM 23 Alfa as well. I’m not having many issues at all with it so far. Outside of my cursor changing to a little pointer finger or whatever it’s supposed to change to when over a clickable button, at times I just get a square, but it works like it should.
I’m also really glad you asked about when the changes mentioned will get rolled out. I had the same question.
Thank you SO much for taking the input methods seriously and updating to fcitx5. This should fix the bug of not properly switching keyboard layouts under fcitx4 in the latest release.
Thank you so much once more for bringing linux closer to people around the world that need these input methods, and for providing a user friendly way to set them up! A notoriously ignored UX issue in the linux world. You were the first ones I saw putting a nice guide into the IM settings and I am looking forward to test the new updated system.
Love, thanks, and have a nice late summer.
PS: Mtwebster is a hero managing all of that over all those years. I wish I could be a dev as experienced as him XD
Hi Mint team,
Congratulations on all your hard work and dedication! I loved these new features, they make me very happy!
To infinity and beyond (^o^)//
Hi, Clem:
First, I want to say that I love Mint and Cinnamon, it’s my favorite distro, always, but I have one question that I think deserves an official answer or further debate:
What’s Linux Mint’s official stance on the subject of shipping out-of-support software versions within the distro and then pointing users to the upstream developers for fixes? There’s a case to be made here: Mint shouldn’t ship software so old that its original developers no longer support it. Maybe Mint should either fork those softwares or just ship currently supported versions to the developers can then be charged with responsability?
I don’t think shipping versions so old and pointing to the developers is the correct way of doing this, to be honest. What do you think?
Again, thanks to the Mint team for all your hard work.
I agree
Debian Stable and Ubuntu LTS are frozen package bases. Whether the versions are recent or not, soon or later you’re not running the latest software. Sometimes we upgrade/backport newer packages but that’s quite rare and there needs to be a real reason for it. Unlike what happens in running distributions, there’s no continuous flow of update from the upstream project to the frozen package base, so even if the versions were the same at a given time, one is frozen and one isn’t. Frozen versions are recommended but users have other options. PPAs, AppImage, Flatpak come to mind.
“I don’t think shipping versions so old and pointing to the developers is the correct way of doing this, to be honest. What do you think?”
Long Term Support (LTS) is something that usually come from the distro base (Debian, Ubuntu, etc), to have a real and serious discussion over this they should be the starting point in my view. Developers that don’t want that happening should probably forbidden distros to package their apps for LTS or recommend that the mantainance to be completely assumed in these cases by these LTS distro bases.
What about the part where the team points to the upstream devs for fixes Clem?
People follow app names or about dialog to go upstream because they’re under the assumption that feedback and bug reports are always welcome by developers. And they’re right to think like that. The vast majority of devs, us included, welcomes feedback and bug reports. When the app is old it’s harder to assess if the feedback is relevant, but it’s always easy to close something if it’s not reproducible.
As for fixes, we do not get upstream fixes within the cycle. It’s very rare for Debian/Ubuntu and for us, to patch software if the issue isn’t important or related to security. If it is, we usually don’t wait for upstream to do it ourselves. If it’s not, it doesn’t really matter if they fixed it or not.
I think this is an issue to be discussed with the Ubuntu or Debian developers because something like Cellulite came from Ubuntu. The Ubuntu developers or distro managers also didn’t decide to change the report bug links to Ubuntu developers.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
I’m also glad that LMDE will be getting the new kernel manager but, will that hit LMDE 7 or will that not be added until LMDE 8 is released? I have only been using Linux Mint full time since January and don’t really know if the versions of LMDE are more tied to Mint or to Debian. No matter when it rolls out in LMDE, thanks for the hard work and being available on this blog responding to questions. I really appreciate how involved you are.
On an unrelated note, how does one add an image that apprears to the left of their “name” as some seem to have? Thanks again.
My guess would be that many of the new features will land in LMDE 7 after Mint 23 releases, because this was the case many times in the last year(s).
At least regarding the packages maintained by Linux Mint.
About the Profile Picture:
As far as I know it takes the profile pictures from the community portal (community.linuxmint.com)
Yes, this should all land in LMDE 7.
Thanks @Karl for the community.linuxmint.com information. I was unaware that was there even though I’m quite active on the Linux Mint Forums. I have now signed up for the community as well. I guess we’ll find out if that’s how it works shortly. lol
And @Clem thanks for the clarification on LMDE.
Really happy to read these news and here goes a BIG thank you, Clem, and team for all the effort.
@Clem
Thank you very much for developing the incredibly beautiful and truly functional Cinnamon desktop. I have a question. How do you find out about Cinnamon desktop vulnerabilities and patch them? Do you have an independent security team? Or do you release security patches when people report security bugs?
Just like bugs in general. We get feedback and bug reports. When the vulnerability needs to remain secret until it is fixed we usually get contacted by email.
Suggestion :
Propose in the default list this great keyboard layout for french users :
https://qwerty-fr.org/
Great for code, great for writing with french accents (Event better than Azerty !)
Hi Marc,
Did you try French (US)? It’s available by default, uses ANSI (Qwerty) and provides all the French accents. It looks similar to what you linked here.
Hello. Haaaa… This (french(US)) works as good as US(default) with compose key enabled. Wow, if I had known that a long time ago, things would have been a lot simpler. French(US) works as advertised for me, I only need to memorize the keys to get french accents. Neat…
Many of the coolest mechanical keyboards are only available in ANSI, so French (US) (and I suppose German (US) and all..) are extremely handy for European users.
I did not know about this French (US) alternative !
Seems quite close indeed, the principles are exactly the same, but the placement is a bit different
Anyway after a quick comparison, qwerty-fr is a bit more complete.
I’ve made this image to compare : https://imgur.com/HchNuA1
I’m quite used to it now, so I will stick to qwerty-fr (10+ years of usage)
For those who might be interested in digging about qwerty-fr, check https://github.com/qwerty-fr/qwerty-fr
(previously was, http://marin.jb.free.fr/qwerty-fr/ hope his work had not been stolen)
Could you please consider replacing Firefox with Waterfox? That should be the same user experience, just the fork with less annoyances like AI and telemetry.
For a while there was not Linux repo, but it has recenly beed added, from version 6.7.0-beta.3.
You’re welcome to replace the browser on your computer. We’re happy with Firefox as default for the distribution.
I use Waterfox as a backup (to Firefox (I have Chromium installed to for limited usage but I mainly use Firefox with Waterfox as a solid backup as both browsers are often running on my system)) from it’s own directory in Home folder. it updates through the browser itself here and there and alerts you to updates which can then be run within the browser itself. currently I have Waterfox v6.6.17 installed.
p.s. but I can see why Firefox remains the default in Mint as it’s basically the main browser for it’s type and is still pretty good overall.
Enable guix and install IceCat
I would stay on Firefox because it gets faster updates and security patches which I see as super important for a daily browser use.
Also better website compatibility.
I think Firefox is still the better option here.
Here is a comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_HyR0P4fJk
Hi Timur,
you can also deactivate all that in the settings of firefox, same for their request for analytics.
I still think Firefox is the better choice because of the frequent updates and that they are the main maintaners of their reliable product all over the years.
Behind waterfox is a different company.
Is there a way to get notified of new kernels? I mean, if I “track” a 7.0 series (LTS or HWE), will I get a notification, or update if a newer 7.1 (or what ever it is) comes available? As I see it now, the “tracking” only applies to a specific version of a kernel, right?
Hi Peter,
That’s the principle behind HWE. It used to point to 6.14, then 6.17 and it now points to 7.0. If you track it, you keep upgrading to new kernels. There’s no notifications per se, you just get updated.
A question about the HWE-ISOs: only the 7.0 kernel is still further supported. The edge kernels 6.14 and 6.17 are out of the Ubuntu support right now. Only the kernel 6.8 is still longer supported as of the 7.0 edge kernel. So I would suggest to either leave the older Edge ISOs there and add a note, or remove the old Edge ISOs. And I suppose the regular shipped kernel is 6.8 as far as I know because this is also longer supported from Ubuntu?
And many thanks for all the great new ideas you have. The new kernel manager looks quite very well also and it will be available at LMDE. Thanks for all your work. I really look forward to testing your 23 mint neta when it’s available later on.
You’re right. Only LTS (6.8) and HWE (currently 7.0) get updates. 6.17 ISOs give you the opportunity to start with 6.17 but the only updates you get on that are HWE which make you upgrade to 7.0. I suppose we could remove it but there’s no real need to. It’s there as an option in case 7.0 doesn’t boot properly, but yeah, its update path goes straight towards 7.0 post-install.
Thanks for clarifying this. The next running update after installing with the edge ISO the kernel will automatically updated to version 7.0.
I have one more question. As far as the System Information app, is there any plan to add all GPUs, both integrated as well as dedicated GPUs to the output shown?
Thanks again.
I thought this was the case already. Please open a bug report with inxi -Gxx output and a screenshot of the app.
Both integrated and dedicated GPUs show up in System Information on my computer. Perhaps there’s a problem with your drivers?
I’m sorry. I didn’t make that clear. On the System Information tab of the System Information app, that does show both my integrated and dedicated GPU, but when I click on the GPU tab on the left (2 below the System Information tab), that only shows my Default GPU and Hardware Acceleration. That was where I was wondering about it being available. I’m sorry for not being more clear in my initial question. Although, now that you’ve pointed out my poorly worded question, it seems a bit repetitive to have both GPUs in both places.
Ok, I see what you’re saying. I believe this only shows information for the currently active GPU, which makes sense, as the info shown might really only be available for the GPU the program has access to.
Thanks for the reply, Mike. I just did a really poor job of clearly explaining what I wanted. Once again, I fell victim to the old “I know what I mean, so you should, too.” A potential hazard any time I communicate via the typewritten word. I mean, if I really stop and think about it, on that GPU tab, it does say default GPU and there can only be one GPU that is the default one. What I wanted was already on the System Information home screen.
Regarding future LM and LMDE parity: Are there any plans regarding driver manager for LMDE?
We investigated whether or not we could port and/or replicate what we have in Mint, which itself uses ubuntu-drivers and metadata put by Canonical in their drivers packages. Unfortunately it became clear to us that this wasn’t feasible, or at least it wasn’t something we wanted to maintain long term going forward due to the changing nature of proprietary drivers. The technical solution is easy to implement, in fact there have been attempts made by Debian itself and they would work quite well if the data which maps drivers to packages, and these packages themselves, were available.
Have you investigated the way MX linux does it Clem?
is there a way to safely uninstall/remove the legacy themes? i use the default theme, but occacionally try out custom themes, and it is a hassle to locate it in the hot mess of non-default themes (and icons) that i don’t even use. It would be nice to have it as an optional choice during installation, like the multimedia codecs. Otherwise A+
This post makes me so excited! I’ve been using fcitx since the early 2010s, when installation was hit-and-miss. See it now integrated is awesome, thank you! Also the kernel management is highly welcome, I frequently run out of space during kernel updates and manually clean out old kernels which is cumbersome. Yay!
hi,
the kernel management feature is looking good. looking forward to it.
daechir
Do you plan to implement the ability to organize files and folders in the context menu, like in other systems—sorting by name, file group, size, etc.? I find it frustrating trying to organize files in Cinnamon without this feature.
These additions look great. The current kernel management tool, in Update Manager, shows “Supported until May 2029” for kernel 7.0. This is quite useful info when planning ahead. Is it possible to have this for both LM and LMDE?
Hi Nick,
That’s something we removed. The code for this in mintupdate was quite complex and it was based on hardcoded maths.. I think it’s clearer to just show supported vs not-supported in the context of series. And when you track HWE you’re supported all the way, not until the particular version HWE currently points to, ends.
will the new kernel management feature be able to process metapackages for custom kernels added from a PPA (if the PPA formats things properly)?
It currently only knows metas for the main series: LTS, HWE, HWE-edge, LTS/GA in Debian. If you add another series, it doesn’t matter where it’s from, you’ll need to install the meta yourself and mark the series as manually tracked.
Clem, will there be an update or rebase of LibreAdapta for Mint 23 to improve compatibility? I haven’t seen it in the Mint 23 Alpha repositories.
afaik nobody uses libAdapta, it’s a proof of concept. If we move away from GTK3 at some stage, we’re likely to eventually make a platform library for our own needs and something like this could be a good start. Are you using it for some of your projects and if so, which features do you need from a potential rebase?
I think the lack of adoption of libAdapta is a chicken-and-egg problem. libAdapta needs to be reliably available and sufficiently in-sync with upstream, for big projects to consider adopting it. It being only in-sync with Linux Mint release schedule hinders its adoption outside Linux Mint.
Clem, given that Wayland doesn’t have an equivalent to xkill and you can’t restart the Cinnamon session, how can we deal with a frozen window in this session (something that, unfortunately, has happened to me more than once)?
I understand that some compositors, such as KDE Plasma, have a way to deal with these issues (Ctrl + Meta + Esc). Perhaps in the future it would be possible to add a shortcut to the system monitor in the panel menu to try to force the app to close.
P.S. 1. Regarding Libreadapta, I just wanted to check compatibility with certain apps; I’m not a developer.
P.S. 2. I’ve already checked—there’s no problem with Celluloid on Wayland in LM23 alpha.
Not sure this is the right place to post this, but here goes. I’m running 6.17.0-42-generic on my S600 system and noticed that it reaches EOL at the end of this month. So far I haven’t seen an offer to update to the 7.0 Kernel, but it does show up in Update Manager, so I attempted to do an update from there. Both the 7.0.0.28 and 7.0.0.29 versions fail to install with DKMS build errors shown in the log. I don’t have VirtualBox installed and don’t have any Broadcom devices which appear to be the primary source of these installation errors. Any clues about fixing this or extending 6.17 support past the end of August? Or is the workaround to do a clean install on this system?
Try a clean Linux Mint Install with the new HWE Kernel 7.0 Iso on the page.
Greetings
You can also try out 6.8 LTS Kernel as it is mentioned here in the comments above when 7.0 wont work for your system for now.
Or use LMDE 7 which is directly based on Debian which stands for stabilitiy and reliability.
Greetings
Hi Clem
Driver Manager bug:
sees: NVIDIA Quadro K600
“No proprietary drivers are in use.”
It detects perfectly functional NVIDIA hardware, presents it as a problem, offers an “Install hardware drivers” button, then opens a manager with nothing available to install.
A propos de TimeShift je trouve dommage que les emplacements distants ou réseau ne sont pas suportés alors que LuckyBackup le peut parfaitement . Ces deux logiciels font partie de la bibliothéque Linux .
Happy 20th anniversary!
Happy 20th anniversary! (I meant to do this a standalone reply, I’m sorry Meyer jean-claude)
I am having immense problems with Firefox!
ebay now malfunctions, and Proton states that it is an unsupported version!
What is happening?
This isn’t a technical support site. Post your issue on the Linux Mint Forums, not here. But reading through your symptoms, looks like your system isn’t up-to-date. Go check your Update Manager for any updates.
Try out the official Flatpak Version of Firefox.
Greetings
Fully updated, within Hours; Seems to be some iteration of Firefox, that is not ‘playing’ with
certain sites. Presumed that any update advised by Mint, would not ‘Break’ my system.
Dear Clément,
I know I might be off topic here, but there a few suggestions I would like to make to the dev team of Mint. And this seems to be a good place to do it (in case it is not, let me know a better place).
First is for the USB stick. We currently have 2 applications that are installed with Mint, one for formatting a USB stick, and a second to burn an iso file to USB. My suggestion would be to combine these 2 functions int a single app, that could additionally install Ventoy to the USB. So, upon opening the app, the user would
a) select the USB memory stick to work on
b) select the action to do, simple format, or burn iso, or install Ventoy.
This would be simple to do and would reduce the number of items in the menu.
A second suggestion (maybe a bit more involving) would be to fetch the code for the clock on the MATE task bar and import it in the Cinnamon code. I really like the MATE clock, with the display of international times and the picture of the world showing parts in daylight and night. This is actually the only feature of MATE that I miss when using Cinnamon…
Congrats for Mint, it is a great OS.
One of the greatest projects with good people and good community working on it.
Keep up the spirit.
With these new kernels we get even more firepower.
So guys. Thanks for creating a better world!