Mint 10 Preview: Menu Search Engines

Written by Clem on Friday, September 10th, 2010 @ 4:04 pm | Main Topics

APT

Here’s the quickest way to install something in Linux Mint at the moment:

  • If you know its package name: type it in the menu, and click on the install button.
  • If you don’t know its package name: use the Software Manager, Synaptic or the terminal.

Most of the time though, you have a precise idea of what you want to install, but you don’t remember the exact package name, or it’s long and tedious to type. Ideally you’d like to install it without launching any tool, but the menu requires you to know the exact package name, or else it simply doesn’t find what you’re looking for.

To solve this problem, we integrated APT into the menu and made it aware of the packages that are available on your system. So when you start typing, and the menu realizes what you’re looking for isn’t installed already, a list of packages matching what you’re typing appears in the list. Open the menu, start typing and filter through some of the 30,000+ packages that are available to you. Using the keyboard, this is really quick: Ctrl+Super, start typing, go up, press Enter.. and the package starts installing.

Using the menu to browse through the packages which name contains “linux”

By hovering the package names you can also see their summary and their description.

Other search engines

There’s something about Web2 and its brands that shouldn’t really go beyond the scope of the browser and land on our desktops. It’s annoying, say, for a non-Facebook user to see Facebook appear on the desktop. There are many Web2 majors that offer useful services and which are used by a huge majority of us, but among them, two are particularly popular, to the point that they became reference tools in their own right: Google and Wikipedia. You probably often launch Firefox, just so you can Google or Wikipedia something… and so we found it handy to add these features to the menu.

If you’re used to type on the keyboard and filter through your applications, you’ll soon get used to opening your menu and typing on your keyboard to install software, to Google or Wikipedia something, to search for files on your computer or to lookup something in the dictionary.

Extended search menu

Using the extended search menu to access “linux” tutorials online

We also added a little button, next to the search entry which pops up an extended search menu. From this menu you can find software, tutorials, hardware, ideas and even Linux Mint users. So, if you’re looking for a printer that is compatible with Mint 9, or you’ve got trouble setting up something on your Vaio laptop, just type “printer” or “sony vaio” and click on “Find Hardware”. If you’re looking for information on how to use the IRC, simply type “irc” and press “Find Tutorials”… The Community website is growing every day, with information written for and by Linux Mint users, and its ideas, users, hardware devices, software reviews and tutorials are now just a click away.

How to test/install it

  • These features are part of the new mintmenu which is available in the Romeo section of LMDE: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Debian#romeo
  • You can also use git to overwrite your version of mintMenu with this one: In a terminal, type: “apt install git-core; cd; git-clone git://github.com/linuxmint/mintmenu.git; cd mintmenu; ./test”

Updates

The following fixes and improvements were made since this blog post was written:

  • The search is now multi-threaded, i.e. it happens in the background, with a slight delay so you can continue typing without experiencing lag. Search engines results appear immediately, APT results follow an instant later.
  • You can now search for multiple keywords so it’s even easier to find the packages you’re looking for. For instance: “linux headers 2.6″ or “gnome games”…etc.
  • The annoying focus bugs in mintMenu are gone. The problem was found while debugging this feature. Whether it’s the context menu in the favorites, the trash popup in places, this new extended search menu or any popup menu used in mintMenu, the focus goes back and isn’t lost anymore. This fixes many bugs related to mintMenu, the menu not closing when the desktop is clicked, the search field not responding after using the popup menu..etc..
  • The sidepane was removed (it was confusing). Enabling/Disabling the different plugins can now be done in the preferences.
  • The UI was improved, in particular the alignments and the dotted separators on the left of the menu.
  • The default hover delay was changed to 150ms.
  • Various bugs were fixed: empty application list on first-run, mouse grab issue with package manager.
  • Newly installed applications are now highlighted in the menu (whether they’re installed from the menu itself or from another application)

79 Responses to “Mint 10 Preview: Menu Search Engines”

  1. Riccardo Says:

    Great!

  2. Amado Says:

    Only runs on LMDE?

    Can i install it on my “ubuntu-ish” Gnome Mint9?

  3. Clem Says:

    Amado: Yes. With some minor exceptions, all our tools can be used as they are on both LMDE and Ubuntu-based editions of Mint. The reason it’s already in LMDE is because it’s a rolling distribution, so people don’t need to wait for Mint 10 to be released. The packages will stay in romeo until they’re fully translated though. The Julia repos aren’t ready yet. Upcoming Mint 10 features will be made available to LMDE-romeo and julia-main as they are developed.

  4. Seventh Reign Says:

    I’ve been using this since yesterday (Thanks Ikey), and its great, except for a slight lag while typing. Mint just keeps getting better and better.

  5. David Says:

    Wow! Pretty cool guys! I haven’t noticed it was there, but I love it! Great job from the mint team again! That is by far the best menu I’ve seen in any linux distros and it’s getting even better!

  6. haruspexed Says:

    you could think of including sezen // zeitgeist engine in your menu

  7. Carlos Felipe Says:

    Let me guess.. Green, gnome-colors, and several links to install things where they should be “out-of-box”.

    I want to see the new theme, something really neat, elegant.

  8. dw5437 Says:

    The only problem I would have this is that Google logs all of your searches and most of your browsing. That is why I use Start Page to search. I really don’t want the government to know what I search for.

  9. joseph Says:

    does mint 10 get outdated and unstable because i need to be able to keep a os so i can install things not have to reinstall

  10. joseph Says:

    how do i copy everything back to 11 then

  11. CBindahouse Says:

    Looking quite nice! Not sure if I’ll use it but it’s nice to know that it’s there!

    You never know, I might change my habits…

  12. Vincent Says:

    These are the kind of features that make you smile instantly when you discover them and reaffirm your choice to use Mint. It’s user candy. These little things that make life just that bit easier and make you love the people that thought of them and took the time to create them.

  13. WoodCAT Says:

    I can’t see the new features at all. I’m on LMDE with Romeo enabled. I checked that I have mintmenu 5.0.4 installed. But all I see is the old filter box. What I’m missing here?

  14. Intio Says:

    @WoodCAT: For me it required a complete restart.

  15. WoodCAT Says:

    Thanks, that did it. :-) Works as advertised!

  16. sdim Says:

    Another great feature in Mint.
    Many thanks, guys.

  17. shamil Says:

    Well, i only want the search bar to do two things. Search for programs which it does. And secondly if i know the exact name of the program, to type it into the search bar and hit enter to run it.

    Installing packages from the menu really deviates from the job and purpose of a menu. After all, this is why we have software manager for noobs, synaptic for more advanced users, and apt via cli for more advanced users too.

    We already have three ways of doing the same thing. Why do we need a fourth?

    Lastly, searching through a search engine is cool and all, but ideally everyone just opens up a web browser in order to do this. I also feel this deviates from the purpose and job of the menu.

    Btw, i used the menu to write this up. But, i failed to realize that i could not use the menu to submit a comment here. Oh well, i figured it out i guess.

  18. grimdestripador Says:

    I like a responsive menu, make the search results processing parallel, and have the search results display after the window has finished its first pass render.

  19. windsor marketing Says:

    Nice feature.

    I’m also hoping that sooner or later, “Hardware Drivers” will be integrated as well in LMDE like it’s found on Ubuntu-based editions. For easy installation of non free nvidia drivers.

    Or is it possible to start from Ubuntu based, to get “Hardware Drivers” then install non free nvidia drivers, then update the repo same as the repo for LMDE? I just want to get the “Hardware Drivers” feature from the Ubuntu-based Mint and have it working on LMDE.

  20. Sascha Says:

    I had actually thought I had lost my capacity for surprise.
    WORNG AGAIN!
    WOW!
    I was more than satisfied with ubuntu holding together my Mint system.
    Now I learn that, though sky high, my expectations were intrinsically low.
    I BELIEVE NOW MINT CAN FINALLY PROVE TO HAVE ALL THE FUNCTIONALITY NECESSARY FOR A CLASS OS WITHOUT HAVING TO RELY ON….SAY UBUNTU…
    GOOD DONE! THIS WILL BE A COOLER MINTY FUTURE!
    Salutations from the deep Paraguayan jungle!

  21. Manu Says:

    Thats too good…
    but this time for Julia i want u guys to put some errors out of mint…
    the important one plymouth error after installing proprietary drivers for graphics…and make the software manager more responsive,its little stucky for me…new themes and new wallpapers heartily welcome…pls make things more transparent by default…

  22. Venkata Ramana Dodda Says:

    Superb… I am using Linux Mint 9, but seems LMDE is going to be a big bang…

    Keep up the good work guys!!!

  23. randomizer Says:

    Very nice work guys :)

  24. clownz Says:

    Awesome work. I love Linux Mint. I can’t thank you guys enough. If I ever get enough money, I’ll definitely donate to your project and for anyone reading this, the Linux Mint team definitely deserve donations for the hard work and effort if you have extra money to spare.

    I only wish my rooted android phone is as cool as Linux Mint.

  25. Kirk M Says:

    @windsor marketing – By what I understand, a hardware drivers module/app, jocky and such are going to be available at a later date. The hardware drivers app either has to be written from scratch or modified from an already existing app in order to work in LMDE. The current Hardware drivers app you find in the Main and Community editions of Linux Mint is the one ported over from Ubuntu which currently is not compatible “as is” with LMDE.

  26. Kirk M Says:

    A fine update to an already fine menu system. One odd bug I found so far is when I type a query into the Mint Menu’s search field and then click on the “little button” to the right of the field to bring up the menu, all focus is lost to the search field itself. From that point on the word or phrase in the search field is frozen and can’t be modified. The cursor disappears as well and does not reappear when clicking on the search field. Refreshing the menu by clicking on the Menu button in the panel twice brings things back to normal.

    With that being said, can the new Mint section at LaunchPad be used to report any buygs found with the new Menu system? (5.04)

  27. Jeffrey DeVries Says:

    Hi, I can say the I do like the new Menu. I installed to test it out. Only thing is that when using the search box the typing lags. I am using Linux Mint 9 MAIN EDITION if that helps. The older menu did not lag when typing in the search box.

  28. windsor marketing Says:

    @Kirk M

    I really hope so.

    Some of the tools have still Ubuntu branding or text in them. One example is on Preferences – mintUpdate which makes me confused whether they’re still using Ubuntu repo or not.

  29. SMT Says:

    Clem, Mint Team,

    You guys never cease to deliver. This is yet another feature in an already packed distro that really proves the “desktop OS” possibility of a linux version. Excellent work. I will continue to spread the word about Mint.

  30. Jeffrey DeVries Says:

    Sorry for the 2nd post, but I would also Like to be able to change the search engine. I know that some do not like to use google. Thank you.

  31. CBindahouse Says:

    When I type something in and it loads, it seems to take quite a while to search, especially if you’ve typed something in wrong and you’re trying to press backspace, it does hang for a bit.

  32. Gliktch Says:

    Excellent!

    I’ve been using Mint for a couple of months now and never realised I had the ability to install from there – awesome :D I’ve never really liked Synaptic or the Software Manager… mintUpdate, apt cli and mintMenu will together meet all of my needs in this area now, I imagine! :)

    I’m having a go at LMDE now, partly cause I want to be able to help this very fine distro along with any useful feedback I can provide.. This community really inspires me to want to help :D

    Really, top notch stuff =)
    - Matthew

  33. Frank Says:

    Good work! I’ll be looking forward to the new version of Mint.

  34. Khalid Says:

    That looks really great. I can’t wait! :D

  35. Andrew Says:

    Will this very new menu install and run on Mint 8 Helena, gnome 2.28.1 Kernel 2.6.31.17 64 bit OS ? Thanks

  36. Jürgen Kazmirzak Says:

    Great development!

    Only a little note from experience: some elderly people I know that run Linux Mint were very frustrated that their start menu somehow “doesn’t show any programs”. I didn’t quite believe them on the phone; but after a while I found out that all they did is unpurposely click on the “Applications” headline at some point of time… I realized that it is a COMPLETELY unexpected behaviour to have a window disappear when clicking on its headline. They never realized that the little icons on the left were there to get back the applications tab and they were shouting at that “damn linux”.

    Solution: just make loosing the applications tab harder by putting the option to the options dialog. Really, nobody needs to change that visibility every day on a one-click-base. It is a bad trap for inexperienced users.

  37. The Great Sudoku Says:

    I agree with shamil. This adds clutter to an already cluttered menu. A menu’s function should not be to suggest programs to install. Synaptic works fine for me. A it is I already remove the menu in favor of Gnomenu. I love mint, but this “feature” is just useless. It’s been said before, we have 3 ways to install packages, do we really need a 4th?

  38. tommburt Says:

    Well Done.The functionality of Mint keeps expanding in surprising ways

  39. shamil Says:

    Why is the start menu trying to do everything? Use a web browser to search on google. Use software manager, synaptic, or apt via cli to install packages. Why does the start menu need to do this?

    The only logical progression of these two features would be to uninstall packages via the menu, and to actually surf the web inside the menu.

    Is this blog post supposed to be a joke?

  40. Tony Says:

    I think this is a fantastic feature, keep up the innovative work.
    Also look forward to a stable Debian based release.
    Many thanks

  41. Nolarut Says:

    Linux Mint is becoming too bleeding edge in my opinion and the focus should be on stability and beautifying the desktop rather than trying to keep up with the Jones’. There’s only so much tweaking and bug chasing one can deal with before they pick up and search for the next distro.

  42. Clem Says:

    shamil: It does uninstall software…

  43. John Says:

    Nice work! Thanks for that!

    Is it possible to switch to SSL-Service from Google (as default)?
    Or can I change that by my one, when the new menu is istalled?

  44. shamil Says:

    Well, good it does uninstall software i guess. So far, this is a great move for a bloated menu.

    Instead of this menu thing getting out of hand, a plugin system for menu addon’s would be much better.

    An install/uninstall package plugin, and a search the web plugin would be much more ideal than making these built in features that no one can do anything about.

    After that i can see menu plugins getting popular.

  45. idc Says:

    Search sounds interesting. I hope it will be easy to customize to use a different engine than Google. Some of us find its privacy record distasteful.
    Thanks,
    Ian

  46. Verix Says:

    Just wondering, why aren’t my comments appearing?

  47. Verix Says:

    @Verix: Nevermind, I’ve been trying for 3 days with no luck.

    I’m just wishing the menu would also incorporate dynamic file browsing when the keyword starts with ‘/’ or a ‘~’, akin to how the start menu search works in Vista and Windows 7. Would be a really useful feature, to me at least.

    Here’s a crude mock-up I made:
    http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt270/Lodorand/mintmenu-search-with-browsing.jpg

    I really love the menu and believe it’s Mint’s most defining and distinguishing asset. These additional features make it all the more addictive and intuitive. Kudos for the great vision and awesome work guys.

  48. Clem Says:

    shamil: It’s already using plugins… not to mention that these features come up on demand, so if you don’t use them, the menu still works the way it did before.

  49. necromantiarian Says:

    On my pc menu doesn’t work . i am forced to kill it, there is a message on the screen: traceback to line 320 of file MintMenu.py, in PopulatePlugins
    self.HidePlugin( MyPlugin.container, MyPlugin.icon, MyPlugin.heading, MyPlugin )

    AttributeError: ‘MainWindow’ object has no attribute ‘HidePlugin’
    ——————————————————————
    i used to have 2 additional settings to defaults , always to use recent docs with a sidepane, and i always deleted the text , so i used only linuxmint icon.

  50. Clem Says:

    necromantiarian: Thanks for the quick feedback. A fix is coming your way (version 5.0.7).

  51. beachsnap Says:

    HI
    tried to update as show above got the following:-
    $ sudo apt install git-core; cd; git-clone git://github.com/linuxmint/mintmenu.git; cd mintmenu; ./test
    Reading package lists… Done
    Building dependency tree
    Reading state information… Done
    git-core is already the newest version.
    0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded.
    git-clone: command not found
    bash: cd: mintmenu: No such file or directory
    bash: ./test: No such file or directory
    can you kindly advise what I am doing wrong please?

  52. beachsnap Says:

    Should have added using:-

    -Version-
    Kernel : Linux 2.6.32-21-generic (i686)
    Compiled : #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:10:02 UTC 2010
    C Library : GNU C Library version 2.11.1 (stable)
    Default C Compiler : GNU C Compiler version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5)
    Distribution : Linux Mint 9 Isadora

  53. rhy Says:

    Awesome! As long as it happens fast, and we can switch google to something more privacy friendly, this is a great feature!!

    I’m installing LMDE right now on an extra partition to try this and several other new features out… :) I’ll be harassing you on the forums with feedback in no time….

  54. Clem Says:

    beachsnap: “git clone” instead of “git-clone”

  55. shamil Says:

    @clem good to know
    But extra features i don’t use take up memory. Cool with the plugins though, i think i can work with that.

  56. Clem Says:

    shamil: Memory usage was the first thing I looked at when deciding whether we were going to integrate APT into the menu. It’s basically an array of 30,000 items loaded into memory, so there is an extra bit of resources used but compared to the overall picture of what’s already taken by mintMenu, it wasn’t significant. I doubt people will see any impact on their system. If they do, we’ll add an option to turn this feature off, but I don’t think it will come to that.

  57. Tony Says:

    Hi Clem, I think this is a great idea and will use it.

    For me however Linux is about choice and the ability to switch on/off or change things is key.

    It would be greatly appreciated if you could make it easy to turn it on or off for people who might be using older machines or like me just want the choice

    Many thanks for all the hard work
    Tony
    P.S. Stability and ease of use over eye candy any day

  58. CaptHilts Says:

    Choice is always good to have but I tested this new mintmenu feature on an old machine (k, connection speed is not too bad tho) and it really works great!

    However, still speaking of choice, what keeps me from using mintmenu is the possibility of themeing – or does it already exist? No offense intended, but – despite these great features – to me the menu just doesn’t look too good 8-) other than this really minor (personal flavor kinda) thing, really a good menu!

  59. bluerabbit4210 Says:

    LM just keeps getting better and better… XD

  60. necromantiarian Says:

    everything works fine now, wikipedia and apt things are cool :)

  61. ghysmodos Says:

    APT in the menu is (y)(y)
    @clem
    i think it would deserve a tab in the menu settings where one can personalize her search engines;
    following your reasoning about the harassed Non-Facebookuser, for a Non-Googlesearcher its quite the same.

  62. beachsnap Says:

    Ref 53 – 54 & 56 Thanks Clem
    Tried “git clone” and got a bit further lots of can not watch errors and ** (mintMenu.py:4473): WARNING **: Binding ‘Super_L’ failed! amongst others I can email you with the full output I don’t want to bung up this forum with it

  63. azathoth Says:

    Nice one! Very cool enhancements. Everything works fine here. Resident size only increased by about one meg. The menu is very responsive, seems quite solid so far and without any noticeable lags anywhere.
    You guys do really nice work!

  64. YasirMX Says:

    Great! I have mint running on my laptop. The atheros drivers are there and I don’t have to manually build them. It’s more light than ubuntu as you mentioned.

    By the way, I do have a linux blog as well http://killershock.online.fr

  65. Deadguy Says:

    Clem, very innovative and quite handy!!!
    I love it! thanks!!!

  66. Aaqil Mahmood Says:

    Setting up liberror-perl (0.17-1) …
    Setting up libdigest-sha1-perl (2.12-1build1) …
    Setting up git-core (1:1.7.0.4-1) …
    git-clone: command not found
    bash: cd: mintmenu: No such file or directory
    bash: ./test: No such file or directory

    What are those three errors? :(

  67. Jürgen Kazmirzak Says:

    If you create a tab in the menu settings where one can personalize her search engines, as ghysmodos proposed, just put the option what parts the menu should show (Programs, Favorites) inside so that you cannot lose the programs tab without purpose – whoever goes to the “personalization” tab know what he is doing, at it would fit in there quite well :-)

  68. awshidahak Says:

    @shamill: If you don’t like the mintMenu you can always right click on the panel and add the default gnome-menu to it. But please don’t complain that those of us who love the new menu are getting what we want. For us, the menu is more of a starting point to do things. We don’t want to have to first start up a web browser to then search when we could type our query into the search bar of the menu and have it fire up a web browser with the results to the query. It’s also quite nice to have the apt search in the menu cause we may think that we have an application on that computer only to find that we don’t, but there’s a link right there to download and install it. You don’t have to like it, and you can have your mint without it if you don’t like it.

  69. tester Says:

    Is very good !
    I like it!

  70. Csaba Mészáros Says:

    I have to agree with shamill:
    -PulseAudio is something we are forced to accept, although we can purge it, yet it requires time and experience.
    -Akonadi is something we are forced to accept, although is it possible to switch it off

    Somedays I wonder if Linux is still about the free choice.
    Please add an option to turn off this search engine for installation. That will help people to decide whether to use that or not. But don’t impose anything.

    One more thing: I usually use around 15 bookmarks, and I hate lateral submenus, so if it is possible don’t limit the number of places added to that list (which is around 11 in Lucid, or so).

    I hope I could persuade you, Clem!

  71. Lumenary Says:

    Howdy!

    Interesting, especially with regard to installing packages via type-to-search. I’ll probably stick to using a browser to initiate searches or look up articles on Wikipedia, though.

    I would like to echo other commenters’ sentiments in that whenever such a structural enhancement is added to mintMenu, please include an option in the configuration dialog to turn it off.

    Also, the one option that I have been waiting for the longest still hasn’t arrived: The ability to add, remove, and re-arrange mintMenu’s “Favorites” pane without going into

    – ~/.linuxmint/mintMenu/applications.list

    and editing the configuration manually.

    Not a big deal for me, being a long-time (10+ years) Linux user and scripter, but likely intimidating to newcomers…

  72. Old Marcus Says:

    @Lumenary: You’ve been able to do that for at least 2 or 3 versions now. You still on Daryna or something?

  73. Gio Says:

    If I may ask… when will the new version of linux mint come out??? (Based on Ubuntu 10.10)

  74. Dequire Says:

    “You can also use git to overwrite your version of mintMenu with this one: In a terminal, type: “apt install git-core; cd; git-clone git://github.com/linuxmint/mintmenu.git; cd mintmenu; ./test””

    Has anyone tried this in Mint 9 KDE yet? Or will it only work in Mint Editions using Gnome?

  75. Jason Says:

    Hi, thank you for making my life easy! I still using mint 9 cant wait for 10, wow I got a few of my friends to switch to mint, and they are 100% happier


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